Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?
Hi, Just to add to the mix. My email client on android always makes me top-post, adding the original post on the bottom. It is interesting that people take the posting style so personally when they have not got enough information. It is quite alright to give me (or people who use Androids) special dispensation, if you want to, but that is not the point. What gives anybody the right to rag about others' correspondence style, really? These are people. not machines. The reader is unlikely to hard crash when presented with an unexpected top post, or hang until reboot when presented with the awful interspersed answer style. Personally, I would rather see a person's answer at the top of the post, and if I am unsure of the context, I can read the (usually un-pruned) previous message string below. Happy Monday, Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader
I use a pdf reader called foxit when I am forced to fire up my windows VMs. I am not sure of its licensing. On Jun 24, 2011 12:26 AM, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: Varun Mittal wrote: I personally feel we have more important set of priorities than diversifying right now into PDF reader. Also no point inventing the wheel again when there are several open source pdf readers available which we can integrate instead of developing one of our own. I am wondering do any of the open source pdf readers mentioned above work with Windows or are they all Linux, I mostly use Windows. What I meant by HUGE when I referred to Adobe Reader was the more than 6 Gigs of hard drive space it takes up! By contrast all of the LibreOffice suite of programs takes up 475 Megs of space. That means that a mere reader takes up more than a dozen times the space of an entire office suite. If that isn't mega-bloat I don't know what is. It has been a long time, but I seem to remember Adobe Reader only taking 12 Megs of space at one time. It used to come included on almost all driver disks, now it is just too big for that. Won't it be a better idea to collaborate with one of the groups supporting the pdf readers available in Linux distros ...Such cooperation will help everyone focus on their core competencies. My 2 cents ! Thank You Best Regards Varun Mittal and at the same time allow for the editing of this standard through the regular use of ODF. We do have the user support and I am not sure, but our dev numbers are up and I think that this would make quite an interesting and exciting project to add to the TDF line of products. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
I have been involved with OpenOffice.org since 1.1 or so, before .odf. I am glad that Apache Foundation will have control of the code. For me personally, the ownership of the code never caused a problem. I had good experiences with all the Sun employees with whom I got to interact when we moved the openoffice.org support web site and infrastructure in-house. There were plenty of chicken-little discussion when we were doing it, however it turned out well. I wonder if we will be migrating the support pages to AF, and I have been grateful for the generally gracious behaviour of Oracle. It is important to not take any of these decisions personally. Larry Ellison never asks me for input on his corporate decisions, and I am alright with that. I think the question is how are end-users' experiences going to change resultant of the code transfer to AF. Linux users are being offered bundled LO. Is there any reason to assume AF will bury OO.o? I suggest there is no evidence of that. Cheers Wolf Halton -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-website] [Wiki] Organization of TDF
I opened this question in the wrong place, so I am trying again. I guess it follows from the organization page and the job-board-like organization idea on another thread. -- Forwarded message -- From: Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com Date: May 29, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-website] [Wiki] Organization of TDF To: webs...@libreoffice.org What do you call those whose contribution is less trackable, such as the educators who suggest their students use LO, as an alternate to M$O? What about the evangelists who are crowing the values of LO? Would you just suggest they find a way to make their contribution trackable? On May 29, 2011 12:30 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: Hi all, I made a wiki page to describe the organization of TDF [1]. Maybe some people can check the page about the content and about the right English. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Organization If you want such a page on [2] we can copy it after some revision. [2] http://www.documentfoundation.org/ -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Proposal of workgroup creation...
It would be useful to have a methodology flowchart and checklist. I could get behind this. Wolf Halton On Jan 15, 2011 9:31 AM, Francesc Mediterranean franc...@mediterranean-consulting.com wrote: Dear colleagues, I write to you to ask for your opinion relating to the evolution of libreoffice. I believe that could be very interesting to create a group for the creation of the methodology of migration of libroffice . I propose that the group should be called Process Methodology In my opinion, we must create the element to solve the change between MS office to Libre office, that is the methodology of migration / implementatin, defining the phases to developing, the content of this phases, the priorización, and other. From here I offer volunteer to initiate the development of this methodology, because I believe that it will be the tipping point, to promote the presence of libreoffice in the companies and public organizations, I will be grateful for your comments Regards Francesc X. Berjano Mail:franc...@mediterranean-consulting.commail%3afranc...@mediterranean-consulting.com Twitter; @fxberjano Skype: FX_Mediterranean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
LibOffice on the web would be able to export in almost any format. We are often saying ms doesn't play well with others, and one of the benefits of open source and open standards DO play well with others , so let's commit to playing well with others. Wolf Halton PS happy new year. On Jan 1, 2011 12:36 PM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2011-01-01 12:07 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: Office 2013/4 will quite possibly drop .doc export, just as Word 6/95 export was dropped from Word 2003 - after a failed attempt to drop it from 2000. MS can do this because they are the market leader. To fail to offer even rudimentary docx export would damage LibO's market penetration. And every time Microsoft drops support for legacy formats, the fact that LibO continues to support them will just be 'one more reason' that LibO is 'better'... :) -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export
That looks like a good message. A direct save this as a .doc now button inside the dialog might be helpful for users as well. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
Yes. Take a stand for inclusivity. :-) On Jan 1, 2011 6:02 PM, James Wilde wilde.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 30, 2010, at 18:27 , Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open source formats. I've read a lot of points of view in this thread, and received a lot of information. For example, I didn't know that the docx format was supposed to be MS's open document format. I just thought it was the latest update to MSO making everyone update to keep abreast. So much for my knowledge of MSO. As regards Larry's comment, I endorse it. Read is right, write is wrong. Regarding the different pov's of posters about the advisability or not of writing docx, sometimes you've just got to take a stand, no matter what. It's a case for the marketing guys, not the developers. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
@rgb.mldc- if your request for a document included a format type, you might even include a link to LO as well. My copy of OO.o opens docx, so I can't say docx is unreadable. Everything I run is tweaked a little, so I am not a standard use case. There was a long thread on one of the Linux lists to which I subscribe of the poor taste of hr recruiters who ask for.doc versions of an applicant's resume on a linux-focused job board. Do you think an applicant would be considered if they sent an odf instead? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
I have to use office2007 at work and I watch hundreds of core users (college students) struggle with my formatting requirements for homework assignments. Most of these are using the company-supplied computers, with office 2007, most of the time. Word allows reading and writing odf format. It tends to mess up fancy document formatting, but the most complicated document formatting these users do is adding a page number. The IT department set it up, so I don't know if the Plugin took manual set-up. If we could set up docx to save automatically to doc, that might be cool for us but don't you think that would just annoy core users of ms office? Most core users of any program just want to use it to perform some task. They don't care about these format battles. If we could make a couple of award-winning big-budget movies where format license was the pivotal plot device, we might have hope of including the core user in the controversy. I am not sure that deliberate exclusion coming from the let's get them before they get us vibe in this thread is going to work how we want. Once all European governments and half of Aisia go to open formats, maybe we just stop accepting ms formats at all. This is how ms office got their crushing grip on general business formatting, isn't it. Before Windows, the average university or (US) government core user was using WordPerfect on DOS. Over the next 5-10 years we will probably see a sea-change to *nix, cloud and open formats, but the focus of LO may have to shift to a SaaS delivery model to meet the challenges of that change. If the documents are shared primarily over the network through a browser, it will be very simple for those service providers to specify odf if we make the reasons clear enough, or if we are the providers of those services. Wolf Halton -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [website][drupal] The Drupal website development update - December 2010
I liked the proposed site theme. Very coupled and readable. Since I do a lot of my web browsing on a smart phone now, I am signed up on the website mailing list and looking forward to testing how it works on a 3.5 screen. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [website][drupal] The Drupal website development update - December 2010
Michael, When I look at my own web logs, I see a majority of windows +/- 40%, next highest is unknown +/- 20% and third is linux +/- 15 in that unknown is a (probably) a lot of smartphone action. I know there are a lot of people browsing anonymously, but it would amaze me if that was more than 4 or 5 percent of the total, Maybe I can help with mobile theming that when the time comes. Wolf Halton On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: I liked the proposed site theme. Very coupled and readable. Since I do a lot of my web browsing on a smart phone now, I am signed up on the website mailing list and looking forward to testing how it works on a 3.5 screen. Drupal is able to support two themes simultaneously. It would just be a matter of choice if we wanted to have a mobile domain which is displayed with a mobile theme. Maybe something we can think about at a later date. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [website][drupal] The Drupal website development update - December 2010
Great job! Is there a timeframe for this to replace the current home page? BTW - your placeholder theme looks fine. I think you could allow the regular users to choose from a range of builtin themes. I build for readability and comprehension and many themes mar those goals. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF/LO on a wrong way?
Johannes, Perhaps this is not the place to insert myself, and if not, I will desist. I think your question is a good one. I think LO is a side-effect of this desire for something seminally different. Most people were mostly satisfied with what OO.o could do. The fear of being roped into a single Oracle vision and a longing for what might be accomplished by a community driven by community rather than subtle coercion are the drivers of the schism that started TDF. (IMO) A few years ago, There was a similar conversation which led to the formation of the centralized polylingual support web site for OO.o. I was one of the original team that drove that move. The outcome, though solving the issue of our site being controlled by a single individual, was not what we had hoped. We could not push past the work-a-day aspects of getting the site up, similar to some responses here. Where I went, and where you are going here, is into deeper strategy and positioning of the organization. The deeper strategy gives the organization legs. Without it, we have 1 software suite and we can never hope to have an impact upon the world beyond stealing market-share from other similar products. Wolf Halton -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
