Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
I'd just like to note, that the Municipiality of Munich is using OpenOffice.org on 18.000 clients. Not exactly small business. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Pedro, My mistake then. I didn't read deeply enough into the thread. I still submit that none of these open source projects and their products compete in the sense of meaningful market share. With MS-Office dominating so thoroughly the only thing that makes sense is to build a shared sense of opportunity, rather than bickering incessantly. IBM Docs will be a component of the IBM Connections offering later this year. I don't know how that looks like a competitor to LibreOffice. Lotus Symphony was primarily offered to Lotus Notes customers in large enterprise as a no charge entitlement. Integrated in this fashion, it offers customers an alternative to MS-Office if they choose. We have no evidence that these customers consider LibreOffice, so I don't think it's fair to say we are in a sort of competition. What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I hope you can at least agree on this last point, if not the others. My take is that LibreOffice like OpenOffice is an office suite chosen primarily by home users, novelists and other self employed writers, academics, very small businesses, and general fans of open source. Big corporations never even consider using such products because of a lack of certain kinds of refinements. The lack of integration with MS email products is an absolute deal breaker in many cases, as is the lack on an adequate spell check dictionary, a good presentation program, and a few other items. To most large businesses the price of MS-Office products is insignificant compared to the inconvenience to them of doing without some of its features. I used OpenOffice, and now use LibreOffice (Writer only, I have no need whatsoever for a spreadsheet etc.) because I just don't like Word. There are a few things I would really like to see improved and/or changed about Writer, but it still is the best word processor around, at least for the needs of someone like me. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi donald, donald_harbison wrote What is this talk about a competitor product? The Apache OpenOffice project does not seek to compete with LibreOffice. *I* mentioned a competitor to LibreOffice (not Italo) and was referring to IBM Lotus Symphony and the web service IBM Docs. Quoting my email to answer Italo doesn't make sense because I wasn't attacking Apache or even IBM (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;)) I think you two should exchange private email ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3723417.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Pedro, My mistake then. I didn't read deeply enough into the thread. I still submit that none of these open source projects and their products compete in the sense of meaningful market share. With MS-Office dominating so thoroughly the only thing that makes sense is to build a shared sense of opportunity, rather than bickering incessantly. IBM Docs will be a component of the IBM Connections offering later this year. I don't know how that looks like a competitor to LibreOffice. Lotus Symphony was primarily offered to Lotus Notes customers in large enterprise as a no charge entitlement. Integrated in this fashion, it offers customers an alternative to MS-Office if they choose. We have no evidence that these customers consider LibreOffice, so I don't think it's fair to say we are in a sort of competition. What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I hope you can at least agree on this last point, if not the others. Regards, /don Donald Harbison Program Director IBM Open Document Format Initiative Software Group Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 From: Pedro pedl...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org, Date: 02/07/2012 01:38 PM Subject:[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;) Hi donald, donald_harbison wrote What is this talk about a competitor product? The Apache OpenOffice project does not seek to compete with LibreOffice. *I* mentioned a competitor to LibreOffice (not Italo) and was referring to IBM Lotus Symphony and the web service IBM Docs. Quoting my email to answer Italo doesn't make sense because I wasn't attacking Apache or even IBM (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;)) I think you two should exchange private email ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3723417.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Pedro, My mistake then. I didn't read deeply enough into the thread. I still submit that none of these open source projects and their products compete in the sense of meaningful market share. With MS-Office dominating so thoroughly the only thing that makes sense is to build a shared sense of opportunity, rather than bickering incessantly. IBM Docs will be a component of the IBM Connections offering later this year. I don't know how that looks like a competitor to LibreOffice. Lotus Symphony was primarily offered to Lotus Notes customers in large enterprise as a no charge entitlement. Integrated in this fashion, it offers customers an alternative to MS-Office if they choose. We have no evidence that these customers consider LibreOffice, so I don't think it's fair to say we are in a sort of competition. What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I hope you can at least agree on this last point, if not the others. My take is that LibreOffice like OpenOffice is an office suite chosen primarily by home users, novelists and other self employed writers, academics, very small businesses, and general fans of open source. Big corporations never even consider using such products because of a lack of certain kinds of refinements. The lack of integration with MS email products is an absolute deal breaker in many cases, as is the lack on an adequate spell check dictionary, a good presentation program, and a few other items. To most large businesses the price of MS-Office products is insignificant compared to the inconvenience to them of doing without some of its features. I used OpenOffice, and now use LibreOffice (Writer only, I have no need whatsoever for a spreadsheet etc.) because I just don't like Word. There are a few things I would really like to see improved and/or changed about Writer, but it still is the best word processor around, at least for the needs of someone like me. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On 07/02/2012 21:01, Robert Derman wrote: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Pedro, My mistake then. I didn't read deeply enough into the thread. I still submit that none of these open source projects and their products compete in the sense of meaningful market share. With MS-Office dominating so thoroughly the only thing that makes sense is to build a shared sense of opportunity, rather than bickering incessantly. IBM Docs will be a component of the IBM Connections offering later this year. I don't know how that looks like a competitor to LibreOffice. Lotus Symphony was primarily offered to Lotus Notes customers in large enterprise as a no charge entitlement. Integrated in this fashion, it offers customers an alternative to MS-Office if they choose. We have no evidence that these customers consider LibreOffice, so I don't think it's fair to say we are in a sort of competition. What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I hope you can at least agree on this last point, if not the others. My take is that LibreOffice like OpenOffice is an office suite chosen primarily by home users, novelists and other self employed writers, academics, very small businesses, and general fans of open source. Big corporations never even consider using such products because of a lack of certain kinds of refinements. The lack of integration with MS email products is an absolute deal breaker in many cases, as is the lack on an adequate spell check dictionary, a good presentation program, and a few other items. To most large businesses the price of MS-Office products is insignificant compared to the inconvenience to them of doing without some of its features. May be you missed what happened in several European countries, where primarily ODF was a political choice. This is in French but speaks about almost 14 ministries using LibreOffice http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/mimo/ You'll be able to find other things like that if you ask the language communities. I used OpenOffice, and now use LibreOffice (Writer only, I have no need whatsoever for a spreadsheet etc.) because I just don't like Word. There are a few things I would really like to see improved and/or changed about Writer, but it still is the best word processor around, at least for the needs of someone like me. It's not only someone like you. Owning your data and what they will become in the future is a matter for all of us. Ensuring the file format stays open and accessible for everyone and the tool dealing with it remains available for all in their own language with an easy and documented way to be modified is what we are aiming each and every day. Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi again Don donald_harbison wrote What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I agree with you that joining forces (instead of fighting for the crumbles and let MS keep all the cake) makes a LOT of sense. But I think that more important than each house wasting time and resources building their own version of an Office Suite, it would be much more useful to make ODF a really compatible and superior file format. My 2 cents ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3724302.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
IBM has not been bashing LibreOffice. Italo, call me if you want to discuss. There is no 'bashing' going on. Please stop. We are both open source projects, Apache and TDF. Let's start to have some respect showing please. It will help everyone. Personal blogs are personal blogs. There is no enmity toward LibreOffice from IBM. Let me be clear. Yes, we have some difference of opinion on foundations and licensing and so on, but we share a common passion. I hope you see this. What is this talk about a competitor product? The Apache OpenOffice project does not seek to compete with LibreOffice. It's time to stop this nonsense. Respectfully, /don Donald Harbison Program Director IBM Open Document Format Initiative Software Group Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 From: Pedro pedl...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org, Date: 02/04/2012 09:37 AM Subject:[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;) italovignoli wrote IBM has never been involved in TDF, and has been openly bashing TDF and LibreOffice on personal blogs of IBM employees and AOOoI mailing lists. Sorry, but IBM is off topic here. I am well aware of all that (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;) ). Yet, this is also about a competitor product based on the same (original) source code. The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general discussion list ;) Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of LibreOffice is in TDF's plans? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3715573.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
italovignoli wrote IBM has never been involved in TDF, and has been openly bashing TDF and LibreOffice on personal blogs of IBM employees and AOOoI mailing lists. Sorry, but IBM is off topic here. I am well aware of all that (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;) ). Yet, this is also about a competitor product based on the same (original) source code. The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general discussion list ;) Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of LibreOffice is in TDF's plans? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3715573.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On 04/02/2012 15:33, Pedro wrote: italovignoli wrote IBM has never been involved in TDF, and has been openly bashing TDF and LibreOffice on personal blogs of IBM employees and AOOoI mailing lists. Sorry, but IBM is off topic here. I am well aware of all that (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;) ). Yet, this is also about a competitor product based on the same (original) source code. The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general discussion list ;) Its actually quite funny I was thinking of offering something in the cloud with a web based version of LO to my clients where they would rent a virtual private server for the office and login or use the web version to do their work respectivley. Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of LibreOffice is in TDF's plans? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3715573.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
I do hope that LibreOffice On Line becomes a reality! It would be the only (to my knowledge) Free own-server based office suite! There is one of which I am aware, having used it at a previous employer: Zimbra Docs. It is not widely documented or discussed online, for reasons I don't know. Here's a brief review, though: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/ It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again. Ben -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Jonathan Aquilina wrote I am planning on offering something like that to my clients all they would be paying for is the virtual private server. Online is where everything is going. Pedro have you tried compiling LO from source Michael Meeks told me how to do it and its quite simple to get it compiling for the web at least from what i have been told, will soon find out if that is true. Compiling from source is beyond my skills :) But I'm available to do some testing of your virtual private server ;) However I hope that LO server based is a suite installed on a local server and running on the browser as Google docs does. This would allow to have a centrally updated stable office suite instead of having to install in each PC... If it is done in a similar manner to Google Docs and IBM Docs, the documents can be shared and even edited simultaneously by several users within an intranet. Am I daydreaming? :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3715880.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On 04/02/2012 18:37, Pedro wrote: Jonathan Aquilina wrote I am planning on offering something like that to my clients all they would be paying for is the virtual private server. Online is where everything is going. Pedro have you tried compiling LO from source Michael Meeks told me how to do it and its quite simple to get it compiling for the web at least from what i have been told, will soon find out if that is true. Compiling from source is beyond my skills :) But I'm available to do some testing of your virtual private server ;) However I hope that LO server based is a suite installed on a local server and running on the browser as Google docs does. This would allow to have a centrally updated stable office suite instead of having to install in each PC... If it is done in a similar manner to Google Docs and IBM Docs, the documents can be shared and even edited simultaneously by several users within an intranet. Am I daydreaming? :) No your not. I want to make what your saying a reality, At the moment I have vmware esxi which is major beurocratic BS to be able to resell services. I will probably end up going with an open source virtualization soultion like xen with lvm. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On Feb 4, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 04/02/2012 17:26, Benjamin Horst wrote: I do hope that LibreOffice On Line becomes a reality! It would be the only (to my knowledge) Free own-server based office suite! There is one of which I am aware, having used it at a previous employer: Zimbra Docs. It is not widely documented or discussed online, for reasons I don't know. Here's a brief review, though: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/ It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again. Ben Ben zimbra is proprietary as well now owned by vmware. With my luck on trying to start using vmware for virtualization as a start up business they have put me off using their products. Would be nice to develop a mail client to add to the LO suite. There appears to be an open source version of Zimbra still: http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html Whether it has the same feature set, I'm not sure. As mentioned, the documentation on Zimbra Docs is sparse! -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On 04/02/2012 19:50, Benjamin Horst wrote: On Feb 4, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 04/02/2012 17:26, Benjamin Horst wrote: I do hope that LibreOffice On Line becomes a reality! It would be the only (to my knowledge) Free own-server based office suite! There is one of which I am aware, having used it at a previous employer: Zimbra Docs. It is not widely documented or discussed online, for reasons I don't know. Here's a brief review, though: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/ It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again. Ben Ben zimbra is proprietary as well now owned by vmware. With my luck on trying to start using vmware for virtualization as a start up business they have put me off using their products. Would be nice to develop a mail client to add to the LO suite. There appears to be an open source version of Zimbra still: http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html Whether it has the same feature set, I'm not sure. As mentioned, the documentation on Zimbra Docs is sparse! -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com I dont know about that, but they have the free zimbra desktop mail client which i have tried and am not impressed with. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 04/02/2012 19:50, Benjamin Horst wrote: On Feb 4, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 04/02/2012 17:26, Benjamin Horst wrote: I do hope that LibreOffice On Line becomes a reality! It would be the only (to my knowledge) Free own-server based office suite! There is one of which I am aware, having used it at a previous employer: Zimbra Docs. It is not widely documented or discussed online, for reasons I don't know. Here's a brief review, though: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/ It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again. Ben Ben zimbra is proprietary as well now owned by vmware. With my luck on trying to start using vmware for virtualization as a start up business they have put me off using their products. Would be nice to develop a mail client to add to the LO suite. There appears to be an open source version of Zimbra still: http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html Whether it has the same feature set, I'm not sure. As mentioned, the documentation on Zimbra Docs is sparse! -Ben I dont know about that, but they have the free zimbra desktop mail client which i have tried and am not impressed with. That client is a different story, and I didn't like it either, but you can use any email client you want with the email server. Regardless, it's the browser-based word processor, spreadsheet and slideshow creation tools within the Zimbra self-hosted server application that we're talking about here. If you haven't looked at them, I suggest you do. To my knowledge, they are the closest thing on the internet to a self-hosted, open source equivalent to Google Docs. -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On 04/02/2012 20:04, Benjamin Horst wrote: On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 04/02/2012 19:50, Benjamin Horst wrote: On Feb 4, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 04/02/2012 17:26, Benjamin Horst wrote: I do hope that LibreOffice On Line becomes a reality! It would be the only (to my knowledge) Free own-server based office suite! There is one of which I am aware, having used it at a previous employer: Zimbra Docs. It is not widely documented or discussed online, for reasons I don't know. Here's a brief review, though: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/ It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again. Ben Ben zimbra is proprietary as well now owned by vmware. With my luck on trying to start using vmware for virtualization as a start up business they have put me off using their products. Would be nice to develop a mail client to add to the LO suite. There appears to be an open source version of Zimbra still: http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html Whether it has the same feature set, I'm not sure. As mentioned, the documentation on Zimbra Docs is sparse! -Ben I dont know about that, but they have the free zimbra desktop mail client which i have tried and am not impressed with. That client is a different story, and I didn't like it either, but you can use any email client you want with the email server. Regardless, it's the browser-based word processor, spreadsheet and slideshow creation tools within the Zimbra self-hosted server application that we're talking about here. If you haven't looked at them, I suggest you do. To my knowledge, they are the closest thing on the internet to a self-hosted, open source equivalent to Google Docs. -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com Ben i just had a major botched issue with vmware in regards to using esxi to resell services using this virtualization platform. I am apprehensive to try again with them cuz the company is so full of beurocracy it makes it hard for a small business such as mine to buy into their products. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi Benjamin, all Benjamin Horst wrote http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/ It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again. This is not even similar to Google Docs or IBM Docs. Zimbra Docs is a a WYSIWYG tool for creating, sharing, and publishing documents online - and note that this includes spreadsheets as well as word processing documents. I couldn't find a lot about word processing but what I did find looked more like a Rich Text editor. The spreadsheet is really a 6 columns by 10 lines Table. Naming that a spreadsheet is a little overkill... http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/Zimbra_documents.png In addition the Open Source version is a limited version of the paid one (I really feel cheated with this trick...) I guess this is not what I was referring to ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3716030.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On 04/02/2012 20:18, Pedro wrote: Hi Benjamin, all Benjamin Horst wrote http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/ It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again. This is not even similar to Google Docs or IBM Docs. Zimbra Docs is a a WYSIWYG tool for creating, sharing, and publishing documents online - and note that this includes spreadsheets as well as word processing documents. I couldn't find a lot about word processing but what I did find looked more like a Rich Text editor. The spreadsheet is really a 6 columns by 10 lines Table. Naming that a spreadsheet is a little overkill... http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/Zimbra_documents.png In addition the Open Source version is a limited version of the paid one (I really feel cheated with this trick...) I guess this is not what I was referring to ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3716030.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Pedro I would take a web based version of LO over zimbra google docs or office anyday :D -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Pedro wrote: Hi Benjamin, all Benjamin Horst wrote http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/ It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again. This is not even similar to Google Docs or IBM Docs. Zimbra Docs is a a WYSIWYG tool for creating, sharing, and publishing documents online - and note that this includes spreadsheets as well as word processing documents. Yes, it is much closer to Google Docs than you think. I couldn't find a lot about word processing but what I did find looked more like a Rich Text editor. The spreadsheet is really a 6 columns by 10 lines Table. Naming that a spreadsheet is a little overkill... http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/Zimbra_documents.png This screenshot showing 6x10 cells does not mean that's all the app can do. I recall using it for much more than that. In addition the Open Source version is a limited version of the paid one (I really feel cheated with this trick...) It's an annoying trick when companies do this. I don't know if Zimbra reduces the feature set, or if they just don't offer support for the open source version. If you are serious about evaluating existing competitors in this space and want to carry out real due diligence, you need to download and install the Zimbra open source version to experiment with it. The installation I used was set up by our IT team, and I don't know how they configured it, what add-ons they may have installed, whether we were using the open source or closed source versions, etc. I'll be happy to help you. Do you have a server or VM that we could use to test? -Ben Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com 646-464-2314 (Eastern) www.solidoffice.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi Benjamin Benjamin Horst wrote If you are serious about evaluating existing competitors in this space and want to carry out real due diligence, you need to download and install the Zimbra open source version to experiment with it. The installation I used was set up by our IT team, and I don't know how they configured it, what add-ons they may have installed, whether we were using the open source or closed source versions, etc. I'll be happy to help you. Do you have a server or VM that we could use to test? Thank you for your offer. But Zimbra is not what I'm looking for. And I really won't test a product just to find out that the feature that I need Is available on the paid Professional version. I sincerely prefer to test a Trial version which has all features but a limited time than a limited version. I guess I'll keep waiting for LOWE :) Kind regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3716220.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
