> I want to make a remote request to a different server than
> the current page is hosted on, in order to get JSON data
> (padded with a callback).
>
> This is typically handled by inserting
> This works for me:
>
> $.ajax({
> url: 'email.pl',
> type: "post",
> data: {
> rm: 'deleteLetter',
> ID: myForm.letterSelect.value
> },
> dataType: 'json',
> success: function( ret ) {
> alert( ret.a );
> }
> });
>
> I believe the order in whi
> I was poking around the DOM looking for incorrectly scoped
> variables and I found the following node:
>
> window.undefined = "undefinedundefined"
>
> What is this for?
The window object has a property named "undefined" whose value is the
undefined value.
IOW, when you run code like this:
i
> I'm having trouble seeing the advantage of adding static
> functions to jQuery as in:
>
> jQuery.log = {
> error : function() { ... },
> warning : function() { ... },
> debug : function() { ... },
> };
>
> as opposed to:
>
> function log() { ... }
> log.prototype.error = function() { ..
> Is there a way to change the title of a document after an
> ajax Call. I'm using an ajax history system and I would like
> to view specific document title in the back button list.
>
> I've try this but doesn't seem to work :
> $("title").html("Dynamic Title");
>
> I can see the chang
Nothing to do with SEO. The display and visibility properties do two
different things:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#display-prop
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visufx.html#visibility
-Mike
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> Now, my mark-up is wrong. I should have wrapped the nested
> in it's own , but I missed it. Testing looked good
> in FF 2, .next() was returning the nested , and I didn't
> even notice the problem. In IE6/7 however,
> .next() returned the next , and not the which was in
> fact next the n
...and if I seem too much like a smart aleck today, my apologies! No offense
intended. I was just having some fun with the juxtaposition of "that URL is
busted" and "anyone know how to accomplish this in jQuery"... :-)
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The actual code for the c
ubject: Re: [jQuery] KICK-BUTT javascript based Zoom feature
Wow. that looks simple.
I guess the jQuery core has everything else needed to
produce the close-up effect?
Rick
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T
This is untested code, but it's one way you could do it with jQuery:
$(function() {
location = $('[EMAIL PROTECTED]')attr('href').replace( /_spam$/, '' );
});
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> > You may use a period in an id still being valid XHTML, but in this
> > case you cannot use the id as a (CSS) selector, because the
> > period is a class selector.
> I'm not convinced it's not a bug in jQuery because it doesn't
> make sense to specify a class on an Id. I'm not going to make
nd .show() in Firebug with elements, and
.show() only makes them elem.style.display="block" when there is a speed
designated. Plain .show() returns them to inline.
On Feb 14, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Michael Geary wrote:
The real problem here is that there is *no such thing* as "
> What if I specify a div as display:inline in my css? Hiding
> then showing this div using the above script would change
> it's display to block.
Good point!
I was about to suggest making a list of the block level elements to avoid
having to create DOM elements to test, but either approach wou
There are several ways you could refactor that code. Here's one approach:
$('#normal, #standard, #profi').click( function() {
var idnums = { normal:1, standard:2, profi:3 };
$('#bereit').ScrollTo( 800 );
for( var id in idnums ) {
var n = idnums[id];
> > $.get("parser.php",
> > {
> > type: type,
> > user: user,
> > },
> trailing commas only work in firefox!
> user: user,
>
> has a trailing comma!
Great catch, Jake.
Here's a tip - use ActiveState Komodo for your JavaScript editing, and get
syntax check
> I'm trying to get some simple things to work using jquery,
> and everything currently works the way I'd like it to in
> Firefox. However, in Opera, Safari, and Internet Explorer,
> nothing works right -- and I haven't been able to figure out
> where the hang up is.
>
> My entire jquery code
It is my privilege and honor to nominate Glen Lipka as our great state's
representative in the Selectoral College.
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From: Glen Lipka
Subject: [jQuery] jQuery for President
Alot of new snazzy sites are being launched for candidates running for
president.
Only one candidate is clearly
As you can see from your first (presumably working?) example, .contentWindow
is a property of an HTML element.
Therefore, the real question is, "How do I get the HTML Element?"
If you are inside an $('foo').each() callback function, then "this" is the
HTML element. So, you could use:
this.con
> I was able to take what you sent me and simplify it down to this:
>
> var frameWindow = document.parentWindow || document.defaultView;
> var outerDiv = $(frameWindow.frameElement.parentNode);
> cls = $('div.tb_close', outerDiv).get(0);
>
> Because I actually want to operate o
> I have a quandary. I open an iframe with some arbitrary
> content in it. I want to be able to click on something within
> the iframe to cause the iframe (and the div tag that contains
> the iframe) to go away. I am having trouble getting to the
> iframe. I know it's possible as I've seen it e
> Recently I've been trying to use ON with jQuery. I met with obstacle.
> I couldn't use "this" keyword in certain cases to get my main object
> reference...
>
> var myObject = {
>
> layout: { 'align': '' },
> start: function() {
> $('form').bind('submit', this.buildLayo
If you change only the hash, it won't reload the page - but it won't create
a unique URL for search engines. If you change anything else in the URL, it
will reload the page.
Changing the hash does get you a URL get people can copy and bookmark. But
Google won't see the hash.
It really is a case o
> I'm trying to get animate() to fade font-weight but it's not working.
> I've tried the following:
>
> $('a').mouseover(function() {
> $(this).animate({fontWeight: 'bold'}, 'slow'); });
>
> But that doesn't work - I've also tried to put quotes around
> the fontWeight and tried font-weight.
> $.fn.border = function(prefix){
>var classNames = [ 'north', 'east', 'south', 'west', 'northeast',
'southeast', 'southwest', 'northwest'];
>return this.each(function(){
> for (var index in classNames){
> className = (prefix || '')+ classNames[index];
> $(this).wrap
> Ok did you try:
>
> http://imaptools.com/sm/index-003.html
>
> it should work in FF2, this is what I'm using.
Should I see something happen when I click the GO text? Nothing happens. I
didn't try setting a breakpoint in the click handler, just tried clicking on
the GO text to see if something
> > I see the word GO along with PREV/SAVE/NEXT, but none of them are
> > buttons, just plain text.
> Right, they are aren't buttons yet, but they all have click
> events on them so you can just click the text. I plan to
> change them to buttons, I'm not sure why I did do that in the
> first p
> I appreciate the correction. I was a little dumb founded by
> the only explanation that I could come up with and decided
> over dinner that I should test it out an verify it. I
> probably should have done that before posting. All the good
> thoughts seem to come after hitting Send!
Not to wo
> When you create a named function is is basically a static
> object stored in funcname of the scope it was defined in.
> when you declare a var in a function it is also a static
> object attached to the function object. As such mydata is a
> single static object and effectively a single object
> $(document).ready(function(){
>
> function resizeDiv(that){
> var x = $(that);
> if(x.height() < 600){
>x.css("height","600px");
> }
> };
>
> $("#mydiv").each(function(){resizeDiv(this)});
>
> });
>
> My question: is it better to define this function as above
> and pass
> >
> }
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I'm not very familiar with InnerFade, but wouldn't you do this inside your
marker click handler, right after you call marker.openInfoWindowHtml? That's
when you have the list items available.
> I'm new to jQuery and am trying to figure this out, but was
> wondering if anyone has had any luck embe
> > $(document).ready(function() {
> > setTimeout("divDisappear()", 2000); });
> >
> > function divDisappear() {
> > $('div#id').hide();
> > }
> Those should be equivalent:
>
> $(function() {
> setTimeout("$('div#id').hide()", 2000); });
>
> Or:
>
> $(function() {
> setTimeout(d
That's a nice trick, Jake - thanks for posting it!
Both approaches have their use. Your log plugin is great for console
logging, while breaking up the chain is great for interactive debugging
because you can set a breakpoint between lines.
-Mike
> Mike, I don't like breaking the chains... I just
The DOM updates immediately when you add new elements. But "updating the
DOM" does not mean "copying event handlers from deleted DOM elements to
newly added DOM elements". That appears to be the problem here: You need to
assign the click handler again after replacing the DOM element, because the
cl
> Is there a way to just return the jquery object (so I could
> see it in firebug's watch section) then pass it to another
> jquery function then join them all up when I know
> everything works?
>
> $('#test :textarea').before('Current length: '+this.value.length+' characters').keypress(
fu
> > From: Michael Geary
> > Just to clarify, my daughters don't actually read the
> > jQuery list - yet. Their goal is to make an online
> > computer game for some of their friends to play.
> > Right now they're just learning about variables and
> &
> Guys, I don't appreciate the profanity. My 10 and 11 year old
> daughters are learning JavaScript. I don't want them to be
> subjected to language like that.
Just to clarify, my daughters don't actually read the jQuery list - yet.
Their goal is to make an online computer game for some of their
> // this is .n much too complicated!
Guys, I don't appreciate the profanity. My 10 and 11 year old daughters are
learning JavaScript. I don't want them to be subjected to language like
that.
When you've offended some people already, offending more is probably not the
best way to fix it. :-
> but i think that there should be a click or dblClick event
> (depending on the doubleclick delay
> parameter) but *never* both. if i doubleclock to slow, the
> this results in two clicks, but if i click fast enough then
> this shold trigger a doubleClick event and no single click.
The only wa
> Now that it is laid out in front of me it's pretty obvious,
> but when you come into the thing cold, these things are not
> obvious. I think it would be a good idea to explicitly state
> what the object is, and that $ refers to it (I think that's
> right ... now I mention it I'm not quite sur
> (If there is a better way to look at the Object, please post here)
The very best way to understand what JavaScript code is going and explore
objects is to use any JavaScript debugger, such as Firebug or Venkman for
Firefox, or the Microsoft Script Editor for IE.
If you don't have a JavaScript d
> A jQuery object is an array of 1 or more objects.
Not exactly... A jQuery object is an array of *zero* or more objects. If no
elements match the selector, you'll get an empty array.
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> > > var a[];
> > > $(':checkbox').each(function() {
> > > if (this.id) a.push(this.id);
> > > });
> > >
> > >
> > I get this error:
> > missing ; before statement
> > var a[];
> >
> > (curse my rudimentary javascript skills!)
> OK... It says there is a missing ; before the statement "var
> > var a[];
> > $(':checkbox').each(function() {
> > if (this.id) a.push(this.id);
> > });
> >
> >
>
> I get this error:
> missing ; before statement
> var a[];
>
> (curse my rudimentary javascript skills!)
OK... It says there is a missing ; before the statement "var a[];".
What is befo
> > Scripting on top of an invalid HTML document won't make
> > your life easier (obviously). I'd try to replace spaces given
> > by the user to "_" in the backend.
> > And then do what with underscores given by the user?
> Come on, that was just an idea. You can leave underscores the
> way the
> Thanks for the assistance. Yes, I was basically trying to
> assign a click and dblclick to the same function (to prevent
> users from double-clicking and firing the func twice).
Hmm... If you assigned both click and dblclick to the same function, then
the function *would* be called twice on ea
Forgot to add us to the list...
Zvents:
http://www.zvents.com/
This is a Rails site and we completely replaced prototype.js with jQuery and
our own code. We're using thickbox, a homegrown autocompleter, my DOM
plugin, and lots of custom code.
This also puts jQuery on our partner sites:
The Bost
> if have some thing like this that is called by document.ready():
>
> function init_top_level() {
> $(".top_folder").click(function(i) {
> // Do a ton of stuff here
> });
> }
>
> I not only want to assign the "click" event to my ".top_folder"
> elements, but assign "dbl
Do you want getPost to be called during the execution of initialiseForm, or
later in response to the 'submit' event? For the latter, use this (added
code in red):
function initialiseForm(formId) {
$(formId).bind('submit', function() { getPost(formId) } );
}
-Mike
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Chris, it's like this... ;-)
$() returns a jQuery object, which is an array of DOM elements with jQuery
methods that apply either to the entire array or to the first element in the
array, depending on the method.
One of those methods is .each(), which loops through the DOM element array
and cal
> $(function(){
>
> $("div.OrderEntryListRow").not(".Selected").each(function(i){
> alert("before: " + $(this).attr("id"));
> $(this).attr("id", "Row_" + (i+1));
> $(this).html($(this).html() + ': ' + (i+1));
> alert("after: " + $(this).attr("id"));
> });
>
this.id = 'NewValue';
alert( this.id );
I've got another simple question. Is this not how you set an element's
attribute? [from inside an .each()]
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> > That looks really dodgy, sorry.
> >
> > What if the browser downloads script and script2 at the
> > same time, and script2 finishes first?
>
> It doesn't. script2 is not downloaded at all, it is like a
> inline script.
Ah, I wasn't paying close enough attention to the code. :-)
> As you mi
That would remove all script tags, but it sounds like that won't help.
Removing a script tag is just a memory optimization - it may free up the
memory that the script's source code took. It won't unexecute the JavaScript
code that has already been run, and it won't undo any DOM changes that the
co
> > Andreas, if I remember correctly, the following should work:
> >
> > $.each(object, function() {
> >
> > return false;
> > });
> That isn't supported. The necessary code was removed due to
> unsolved problems. Actually the stuff that Michael just
> posted would help a lot to solve it, t
> > I'm afraid that I simply don't take Safari users into
> > account. Hardly a great thing, but I focus on three
> > browsers: Firefox and IE7, and then IE6.
> > In that order. The work I do is targetted at corporate
> > users who run Windows 2000 and Firefox, and all the
> > JS work I do is f
> Would you like an Array iterator that works the way you'd
> expect? Here is a simple one:
>
> Array.prototype.each = function( yields ) {
> for( var i = 0, n = this.length; i < n; i++ ) {
> if( yields( this[i], i ) === false )
> break;
> }
>
> Done a test (requires Firebug - or Firebug lite (which I presume would
> also work)).
>
> var foo = ["one", 2, "three", new Date()];
> $.each(foo,
> function()
> {
> if(this === 2) return false;
> console.log(typeof this);
> }
> )
>
> This logs:
>
> ...since the spec requires name and ID to be
> identical, it's technically illegal to have a name with "["
> and an ID as well (since IDs cannot contain "[").
Um, where does it say the name and id have to be the same?
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> $('#blog[headline]').val('newvalue');
>
> value="" />
>
> It seems i cant access the node for [] in the name breaks the
> ability to access it unless i am doing something wrong?
[] are not valid characters in an id attribute:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-name
Browsers and jQu
> From: Michael Geary
>
> If you're just trying to load a stylesheet dynamically, all
> you need to do is this...
Just to be clear, I wasn't disparaging jsPax!
It just depends on whether you need a full-featured package system or a
simple lo
If you're just trying to load a stylesheet dynamically, all you need to do
is this:
function addSheet( url, doc ) {
doc = doc || document;
var link = doc.createElement( 'link' );
link.rel = 'stylesheet';
link.type = 'text/css';
link.href = url;
d
"this" doesn't work like a local variable. Inside a nested function, "this"
is not the same as in the outer function. That's what is messing things up.
If I understand your code, you can write it more simply like this:
(function($) {
$.fn.Tooltip = function(settings) {
var $all = this
Not only not related to jQuery, but not related to closures either. :-)
The problem is that setTimeout doesn't accept the additional arguments you
are passing it.
Is there any reason you can't do this:
setTimeout( function() { doStuff( "stuff", 1, 2 ); }, 100 );
That would work in any browser.
Try this (untested):
$(function() {
$('.y').html( (new Date).getFullYear() );
});
-Mike
p.s. Could we avoid profanity on the mailing list? Thanks.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:44 AM
To: discu
Goodness, I didn't mean for the answer to shame or humble you! :-)
There was nothing wrong with the question, just wanted to show a way to
track down the answer.
-Mike
> Slightly ashamed.
> Very good answer, I'm humbled. Thank you.
> > Well, JSON is just a notation. Once you evaluate it, it's
> > I suppose this touches on off topic, but ... is it possible
> > to remove an entry completely from a JSON hash?
> >
> > say I have
> > {
> > firstString: 'first',
> > secondString: 'second'
> > }
> >
> > and evaluate this into a json object, and I want to remove
> > firstString, could I do so
> I suppose this touches on off topic, but ... is it possible
> to remove an entry completely from a JSON hash?
>
> say I have
> {
> firstString: 'first',
> secondString: 'second'
> }
>
> and evaluate this into a json object, and I want to remove
> firstString, could I do something like
> json
You're using the variable "j" to hold a reference to each element of the
jobs array as you go through the loop. After the loop finishes, "j" is a
reference to the last element of that array.
Later, when the click function gets called, "j" still refers to that last
element - regardless of which ele
> I had to do something similar today, and I did something like
>
> function myfunction(f){
> $(element).click(function(){eval(f+"();");});
> }
> that was off the cuff, but that should work.
That would be the ticket if f is a string containing the name of a function.
But why not just pass a
> From: Adam Skinner
>
> I'm trying to reference an element from within an iframe.
>
> The following normal javascript code works:
>
> var iframeDoc = window.frames[iframeName].document;
> var data = iframeDoc.getElementById(iframeElement);
>
> I'm trying to jqueryize the "data" var
Try the svn version of jQuery. I had the same problem with 1.0.3 and the svn
version fixed it.
Let me know if that doesn't do it - next thing to check is the onload
handler.
> I'm having trouble with thickbox on pages that also have banner ads..
> I've made two examples:
>
> http://dev.twokings
> Thanks Mike and Jake. I will try the uninstall and reinstall.
> Sounds like that might help. I had thought of doing just
> that, but it seemed a little heavy handed but hey, if it
> works that would be great.
On the contrary, the uninstall and reinstall is about the least heavy-handed
thing y
> > This has nothing to do with jQuery, but I'm hoping that some of you
> > might have seen this and figured out how to make it go away. I have
> > googled for it, but nothing helpful showed up.
> not jquery. I get a bunch of errors each time I start up ff
> 2... they don't recur. do yours?
D
> From: Michael Geary
> > Also, that comma after the } shouldn't be there. It looks like you
> > picked up the use of the comma from object literals...
> From: Jörn Zaefferer
> Actually there is a single "var" at the top, therefore the
> problem must
> I really have no idea what is the correct name(I'm not a
> javascript guru), handle is a function in function(or jQuery?) scope?
> You know , i just copy your code structure. xD
>
> Demo page:
> http://61.191.26.228/jQuery/plugins/modal/test.html
Your functions named plugin, modal_handle, mod
> > Why not use document.createElement("script") !?
> Because we want jQuery to wait until the script is loaded and
> evaluated, so it's possible to do something upon completion,
> like continuing the normal flow of the program. This is
> necessary for example for writing a require like the one
> From: Steven Wittens
> ...
> Implementing a jQuery like query system has opened up a whole
> new way of dealing with forms in Drupal. It's a really cool
> technique. The best part is that it's relatively easy to
> adapt the code to custom structures, as the parsing is
> separate from the oper
> Our company is looking for a way for 'quick' web-development.
> Small webapps consisting of a few webpages with some minimal
> database interaction.
>
> We currently develop everything in Java (including webapps),
> but I find the whole cycle of developing, compiling (java
> class files, EJB
> I'm no expert for lincenses. But I remember that jQuery had
> to be dual-licensed to allows the Drupal guys to integrate
> jQuery into their core. Dunno why that was necessary or what
> the idea is behind it.
Only GPL code is allowed in the Drupal repository. Don't ask why! It just
is. (There
> > But, I would be sad to see .click, .hover, and .toggle go away, if
> > they are among the "helper" functions you plan to put into a an
> > external plugin. They just make so much more sense than "bind" to
> > people new to programming/javascript/jQuery.
> I am not a fan of "bind" either, I
> From: Kevin Old
>
> I'm parsing some json successfully below, but I'd like to be
> able access the contents of the json object like
> "this.["id"]" or "this.["name"]".
>
> function processData(json) {
> $.each(json, function(i) {
> $("#names").append("I
> In the .css method an array is created by:
>
> d = ["Top","Bottom","Right","Left"];
>
> Then it is looped through using object looping:
>
> for ( var i in d ) {
>
> This probably isn't a problem for most people, but we have
> added functions to the Array prototype, so whenever the .css
>
> So...the lesson is...the jquery.js file always has to be
> included for the jQuery code to work and it has to be
> referenced first...correct?
It doesn't have to be *first*, but it does have to be before any code that
uses jQuery.
Think about it this way... Would this code work:
alert( x
> > From: Michael Geary
> > Yeah, all that DOM creation will take a while - especially
> > if you use a convenience plugin like mine.
> >
> > I get much better performance across browsers with
> > [].join('') and innerHTML.
> From: Dave Methvin
&g
> From: Andrea Ercolino
>
> I have got an array of 50 urls templates, and want to make a
> proper url out of each one, adding also a special click, and
> then append all these urls to a div in a specific position.
> All this should be done many times in a page, "many" could be
> 50, just to sa
One more comment... As you probably figured out from looking at the
generated source, the culprit is likely to be the animation code, which sets
those unwanted attributes when it animates an item.
So one good test would be to remove all animation and see if it generates
better code.
It will also
> I moved "Testnode" up and then moved it to the right, then
> used FireBug's Inspect tool to reveal the generated HTML.
> This is what I saw:
Actually I left out part of it by mistake. Here's the entire UL:
When you have a problem like this, your first thought should be to look at
the generated HTML using Microsoft's DevToolBar in IE or either FireBug or
View Source Chart for Firefox.
I moved "Testnode" up and then moved it to the right, then used FireBug's
Inspect tool to reveal the generated HTML.
> From: Truppe Steven
>
> my view of the things is a big different. I think jquery
> should stay as small as possible so adding functions for
> basic dom attributes is a bit overhead i think ..
I agree. How do you decide which of the many DOM attributes to turn into
jQuery methods? All of them?
I don't think this approach will work quite the way you'd like. In your
example:
> // I access my plugin via:
> $("#myMap").Map({ });
>
> // later I can access a public function on this object like:
> $("#myMap").Map.recenter(x, y, dxy);
Those two $("#myMap") calls are going to result in differ
> And to make it valid JSON, you have to quote all keys anyway
> (using double quotes):
>
> { "asJSON": 1, "class": "jlink", "id": htmlDoc }
>
> http://json.org/
Naw, that wouldn't be valid JSON. JSON doesn't allow named references like
htmlDoc.
But this object doesn't need to be JSON anyway.
> > From: Laurent Yaish
> >
> > I couldn't find a way using jQuery to get the tagName of an element.
> >
> > Let's say I have this:
> >
> > test
> > $('span').parent().tag() would return 'div'
> From: Brandon Aaron
>
> You could do two things ... write yourself a plugin that
> would look someth
> > From: Michael Geary
> >
> > (function($) {
> > // plugin code here
> > })(jQuery);
> From: Sam Collett
>
> I've seen that used before, but can it have memory leak
> or other issues?
Sorry about the very slow reply, Sam.
That's
Sorry about the slow reply, guys. Been a busy week!
> From: Rexbard
>
> Mike, I already knew the mechanics of this, but I got caught
> up in your description and had to read your entire post.
>
> Beautifully written, Mike. This has to be the clearest
> description of the jQuery vs. DOM variabl
> why doesn't this work:
>
> $('#text-field').val(this.name);
What is "this"? You haven't given it a value. So it depends on the context
of this code. If the code is not in an object method, then "this" is the
window object.
> when this does:
>
> $('#text-field).click( function() { alert(this.n
> From: Simon Corless
> Thanks for the help Mike, it's starting to come together.
> I've been testing it just now.
>
> If I do use return this.each() then how do I reference the
> jQuery methods? without this.hover() etc? Obviously as this
> is no longer what I am expecting this.hover (as you s
> From: Paul McLanahan
>
> The only suggestion I have deals with displaying the tips
> close to the right side of the screen. You do an excellent
> job of handling the width of the tip when it is close to the
> right edge of the window, but if a word is too long inside of
> the tip it will pu
> > http://bassistance.de/index.php/jquery-plugins/jquery-plugin-tooltip/
> A suggestion - perhaps you should use 'jQuery' instead of '$'
> as isn't that the convention for plugin authoring?
The code does use jQuery instead of $. Jörn used the trick I suggested a
while back to get the best of bo
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