Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-14 Thread Shivan Kannan
Way back sometime in 2004, SONY were making Palm OS based PDAs. The UX50 model's screen were small and packed the maximum pixels then and due to their mini size they designed the outer shell that supported the screen border - black in colour while the whole device was in a metal shade. This helped

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-13 Thread McLaughlin Designs
lin - Original Message - From: "Martin" To: "Oleh Kovalchuke" Cc: disc...@ixda.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:49:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups Do you think the change to semi-transparent black would

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-12 Thread Martin
Do you think the change to semi-transparent black would be more acceptable (less jarring) if it happened gradually? That's what happens when you activate the dashboard in Mac OS X (though the background is not darkened very much). Cheers, Martin Polley Technical writer, interaction designer +972

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-11 Thread Meredith Noble
Brandon, would love to hear why you hate modal popovers... can you elaborate? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=44487 Welcome to the I

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-11 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
Launching videos from the side bar at Facebook utilizes this semitransparent "white screen" effect. It is indeed much less jarring than semitransparent black. Oleh Kovalchuke Interaction Design is design of time http://www.tangospring.com/IxDtopicWhatIsInteractionDesign.htm On Mon, Aug 10, 2009

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread Brandon E. B. Ward
Depending on the app, lightening the bg could be akin to greying-out the controls. For me, the lightbox, or darkening of the bg indicates an important change. I hate using it for modal pop-overs (I hate modal pop-overs anyway), but I LOVE to use it for videos, images etc. - the purpose of t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread David Drucker
That would be an interesting thing to see in a demo! On 10-Aug-09, at 11:30 AM, Jack Moffett wrote: David, I have lightened the background, rather than darkened it, which is closer to what you are suggesting. I prefer this to darkening the background because it is a subtler change (if the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread Will Hacker
One advantage of this pattern is not having to write client-side logic for what happens when a user navigates away from an input form after making changes but not indicating to save or cancel. Since some users may assume that clicking another link is a safe way to get out of a form without saving

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread Jack Moffett
David, I have lightened the background, rather than darkened it, which is closer to what you are suggesting. I prefer this to darkening the background because it is a subtler change (if the app has a white background), while still getting the "disabled" point across. Best, Jack On Aug 10

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread David Drucker
It's true that the 'lightbox' pattern is probably a bit of design overkill, but there is another benefit to the greying out of the rest of the page, which is that it gives more of an impression that the underlying window is disabled. I think that's a good thing, since earlier attempts at do

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread Mark Young
I'm a former perceptual psychologist but I don't see the need for this method. A simple fat border with a drop shadow would make it clear enough that the popup is in front the main window - interposition is a very powerful depth cue. I've also heard rationale along the lines that it focuses attenti

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread Alex O'Neal
Technically, those are not pop-ups but pop-overs - at least, this was language used when they first appeared. The gray-out is because of lost functionality. Here are the differences: Pop-ups set off browser pop-up warnings. They do not stop functionality on the preceding window - they are simply

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread Mark Canlas
It's sometimes referred to as a "lightbox", if that helps your search at all. It seems to have been made popular by an implementor named Lokesh Dhakar in November 2008. I wouldn't say it's a standard as much as it is in vogue, useful, and aesthetically pleasing. It's often attributed as one of the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread Brendon
You can also look at Modal Windows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_window "many interface designers have recently taken steps to make modal windows more obvious and user friendly by darkening the background behind the window or allowing any mouse click outside of the modal window to force the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread jonathan berger
> Can anyone tell me where the convention of greying the background page > when showing a popup window came from? It's generally called "lightbox"ing, you might want to search on that term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightbox_(JavaScript) On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:18 AM, William Hudson wrote:

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread Paul Bryan
Graying out backgrounds to change focus was very common in multimedia training design, back in the days when the web was static and graying out pages was challenging from a coding perspective. Some high-traffic e-commerce sites have resurrected the practice in a way that multiple browsers can und

[IxDA Discuss] Greyed background for popups

2009-08-10 Thread William Hudson
Can anyone tell me where the convention of greying the background page when showing a popup window came from? It seems to have become something of a de facto standard - is it published as an actual standard or guideline somewhere? (I could not find out on Google.) Regards, William Hudson Syntagm