Re: [IxDA Discuss] PINs for passwords

2010-01-08 Thread Loren Baxter
We haven't mentioned context! ATMs and some mobile apps use PINs, because they have more limited input methods. Entering a secure, 10 digit password is tough without a full keyboard. The 9 digit keypad provides a simple and accessible method of entry, but we have to secure the PIN by adding

Re: [IxDA Discuss] PINs for passwords

2010-01-01 Thread j. eric townsend
PINs aren't actually that secure. They can be easily compromised in all sorts of ways, do a search for ATM pin vulnerability or ATM pin theft for gory details. -- J. E. 'jet' Townsend, IDSA Designer, Fabricator, Hacker design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ PGP:

Re: [IxDA Discuss] PINs for passwords

2009-12-31 Thread charles . boyung
They are only secure enough because you can't easily write a program to automatically run through them in the physical world like you can on a computer. If you created a website that uses 4 to 6 digit numbers as passwords, I could get into the site in a matter of hours. A good hacker could

Re: [IxDA Discuss] PINs for passwords

2009-12-31 Thread Dan Saffer
On Dec 31, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Jared Spool wrote: My math says you only get 10,000 combinations from a 4 digit PIN, which I would imagine is even less secure. Math was never my strong suit. Stupid zeros! Welcome to the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] PINs for passwords

2009-12-31 Thread Phil Chung
PINs are sometimes used on the web (I've seen this in IVRs too) in combination with another piece(s) of personal information. See Delta.com for an example. Out of curiousity, does any know why we aren't using PIN numbers as internet passwords? A huge percentage of people already have a banking