Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-15 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
Yes, on the OSGeo Discuss list there was the interesting suggestion that one could compute the viewshed for points along a road segment to get an estimate of the potential view from that segment. I'm thinking about doing this in the future since I already have the DEM which would be required fo

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-15 Thread Chris Puttick
Sounds to me like the kind of application that gets sold to someone in the UK, who are then surprised that all their deliveries start to take longer... (no free turns at red lights in the UK, red means stop) - Original Message - > Correct, but not with only right (left) turns, but with m

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-15 Thread Anton Patrushev
Correct, but not with only right (left) turns, but with much higher costs for left (right) turns. Slightly off the topic - at the FOSS4G conference poster session I saw very interesting application for tourism with costs assigned according to how beautiful or interesting road segments are. Anton.

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-14 Thread Geoff Hay
.osgeo.org [discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Bob Basques [bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 6:26 a.m. To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Cc: Stephen Carver; Justin Washtell Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing All, The view of ro

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-14 Thread Bob Basques
Sent: 14 September 2010 17:31 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing On 9/14/2010 11:43 AM, Bill Thoen wrote: > Steve, > > Adding viewsheds to the package would certainly up the computing costs; > I was wondering if

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-14 Thread Andy Turner
Carver; Justin Washtell Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing Hi OSGeo Discussions, (cc Steve, Justin), In terms of the computing of viewsheds, both Steve Carver (http://www.geog.leeds.ac.uk/people/s.carver/) and Justin Washtell (http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-14 Thread Andy Turner
ephen Woodbridge Sent: 14 September 2010 17:31 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing On 9/14/2010 11:43 AM, Bill Thoen wrote: > Steve, > > Adding viewsheds to the package would certainly up the computing costs; > I was won

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-14 Thread Bob Basques
All, One thought just occurred to me related to this thread, what would street construction type add to the equation? Dirt/gravel/blacktop/concrete, add on to that age of road/ADT and roughness might start becoming a factor as well. I know these are getting a bit right or left of the origina

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-14 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
Yes, this is another good factor to look at. Curvature can be computed as the 2nd derivative or the rate of change in angle along the road. This is a little harder to compute with segments as you need to join adjacent segments to compute this or you get disconnects where they join. And you have

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-14 Thread Richard Greenwood
I think "cruvyness" might also be a useful resistance factor, and it is often associated with grade, as in steep mountain roads with lots of switchbacks. After attending FOSS4G last week my wife and I have been driving and biking in the Pyrenees and experiencing the effects of both cruvyness and gr

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-14 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
On 9/14/2010 11:43 AM, Bill Thoen wrote: Steve, Adding viewsheds to the package would certainly up the computing costs; I was wondering if you had a limit to what sort of processing power you've got there. ;-) It is not unlimited, so part of the problem that is interesting to me is how to f

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-14 Thread Bill Thoen
Steve, Adding viewsheds to the package would certainly up the computing costs; I was wondering if you had a limit to what sort of processing power you've got there. ;-) I also think what you're proposing might be interesting, but you have to be careful about what conclusions you can draw fr

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-13 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
Bill, Thanks for the ideas. I might try to do something with the viewshed idea in the future. It would need a LOT of computing to process all the road segments in a National dataset like Tiger. But for now I would like to figure out the routing costs. One idea I had was to compute the grade

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-13 Thread Bill Thoen
Stephen Woodbridge wrote: Hi all, (This is cross posting from the pgrouting list, sorry for the dups.) I have preprocessed some shapefile data and added elevation information in the Z value of the coordinates. I'm wondering how to best utilize that in routes and would like any thoughts or ide

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-13 Thread Bob Basques
Stephen, You didn't explicitly mention it, but TIME might be an additional item to include, as in different vehicles will take different amounts of time to traverse. Once you ave a good set of constants for the different types of vehicles, you could add in "Time to Traverse" as a graph indica

[OSGeo-Discuss] Thoughts on how to use elevation in routing

2010-09-13 Thread Stephen Woodbridge
Hi all, (This is cross posting from the pgrouting list, sorry for the dups.) I have preprocessed some shapefile data and added elevation information in the Z value of the coordinates. I'm wondering how to best utilize that in routes and would like any thoughts or ideas you might be willing to