Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Examples of Opposition to Open Source/Open File Formats in the United States

2009-08-21 Thread Arnulf Christl (OSGeo)
Landon Blake schrieb: It looks like I might have ruffled a few feathers with my earlier post Landon, please keep it up, it is advocacy at its best. As you said before, this is the OSGeo mailing list. Would you care to also add some of your thoughts and ideas backed up with reference links (just

[OSGeo-Discuss] Mac Pro collocation for OSGeo

2009-08-21 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Folks, I have a pretty powerful workstation that I'd like to connect to OSGeo infrastructure, somehow. It is: Mac Pro with 2 x Intel Xeon 2.66GHz (5150, Woodcrest, dual core) 5 GB RAM 1.5 TB HDD If I'll manage to find a new home for my machine, I want to extent RAM to 16 GB and get one or more

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mac Pro collocation for OSGeo

2009-08-21 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Chris Puttick wrote: If anyone has a use for it, we can provide space, protected power and a connection I used to use this machine as a part of http://buildbot.osgeo.org farm. It could also be used for other purposes, like live demo of GeoServer/MapServer, nightly builds and binary

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mac Pro collocation for OSGeo

2009-08-21 Thread Chris Puttick
- Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: Chris Puttick wrote: If anyone has a use for it, we can provide space, protected power and a connection I used to use this machine as a part of http://buildbot.osgeo.org farm. It could also be used for other purposes, like live demo of

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and Proprietary Algorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Considine, Michael
All, Opticks is an open source remote sensing application and development framework. We recently started the process to add JPEG 2000 support to our framework. We picked OpenJpeg to add JPEG 2000 support to our application. They are also open source. We currently support importing JPEG 2000 files

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and ProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Landon Blake
Thanks for the information Michael. I am downloading Opticks right now. :] I also found this Java library for JP2, thought I'm not sure how complete/up-to-date it is: http://jj2000.epfl.ch/ Maybe we need a JPEG 2000 page on the OSGeo wiki. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and ProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Chris Puttick
Well, according to this page: http://jpeg2000.epfl.ch/ v.5.1, courtesy in part Eastman Kodak, provides complete JP2 support at the decoding side - not sure whether that covers the tiling or other geo needs, but doesn't it sound worth investigating? Chris - Christopher Schmidt

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats and ProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Tiling essentially means you can take a large file and compress pieces of it independently. This avoids having to deal with the large memory footprint issues, but it can also lead to seam-line artifacts under certain conditions. Ideally, one would prefer to have the option of compressing

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats andProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Landon Blake
MPG wrote: Tiling essentially means you can take a large file and compress pieces of it independently. This avoids having to deal with the large memory footprint issues, but it can also lead to seam-line artifacts under certain conditions. Ideally, one would prefer to have the option of

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats andProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Not a stupid question -- but it doesn't work that way. The artifacts are due to the wavelet processing of the pixels near the tile boundaries, and the boundaries have to be treated reflectively within their individual tiles (in order to keep each tile separate), which means you can sometimes

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Landon Blake
Wow. Whoddu thunk we'd spend so much time and energy trying to make big pictures smaller. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats andProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 09:45:04AM -0700, Landon Blake wrote: MPG wrote: Tiling essentially means you can take a large file and compress pieces of it independently. This avoids having to deal with the large memory footprint issues, but it can also lead to seam-line artifacts under certain

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats andProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Paul Ramsey
So hung up on wavelets, we are. Internally tiled TIFF with JPEG compression and similarly formatted internal overviews can achieve 10:1 compression rates without noticeable image quality reductions, and as an added bonus can be decompressed a heck of a lot faster than wavelet-based formats. The

[OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats

2009-08-21 Thread Landon Blake
I think we were talking about the easiest way to implement saving space. :] I was trying to point out (and maybe Paul was also) that ease of implementation (now or in the future) should be a factor the government chooses when selection a file format/technology for data storage and distribution to

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File Formats

2009-08-21 Thread Bob Basques
All, I agree, very good conversation, I've already pointed a few folks at it as the same topic has come up here at work on two different projects, as well as a Survey I just completed yesterday for a Federal data provider. I pointed the survey taker at this thread as well. bobb Landon

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Lucena, Ivan
Bob, Sorry to mess with discussion but if someone is suggesting the use of Geotiff with JPEG compressed as a Open File Format (copied and pasted from the thread title) I would like to remember myself and the audience obout the data type limitations. There's more in raster data than meet the

[OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Lurkers

2009-08-21 Thread Landon Blake
I would like to get some comments on a phenomenon I have discovered among the OpenJUMP community. I know for sure of one (1) company that maintains a separate fork of OpenJUMP, but which monitors our mailing list and likely grabs patches form our source code repository. They never participate in

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Someone earlier in this thread spoke about some of these technologies being somewhat obsolete what with the new network and bandwidth speeds available for publishing. I think the comment was that by hiding the data behind a server, you can reduce the users' exposure to a myriad of file

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Landon Blake
Ivan, Ignoring the danger that this thread will devolve into a discussion about different raster formats, I will ask you for some specifics. What are the limitations of Geotiff/JPEG compared with the proprietary alternatives? Maybe we need to cook up a Guide To Raster Data File Formats for

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open File FormatsandProprietaryAlgorithms[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-08-21 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
Yes, JP2 supports signed and unsigned types of up to ~24 bits. And lots of channels (bands). And alpha masking. And arbitrary metadata blobs (geospatial and otherwise). -mpg -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Lurkers

2009-08-21 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:55:30AM -0700, Landon Blake wrote: Is OpenJUMP the only community with these open source lurkers? No. How many of these companies do you think there are? (I'm not talking about one guy who downloads an open source app and uses it. I'm talking about actual

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Lurkers

2009-08-21 Thread Landon Blake
Thank you for your comments Christopher. I may just try my mailing list invitation, and will let you guys know how it works out. If there are other ideas on outreach of this type, I would like to hear it. I think the ultimate success of my favorite little GIS program may depend on the results of

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Distributed Computing

2009-08-21 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Henning Lorenz wrote: Hi all, Mateusz's email about his unused MacPro brought another question to my mind (again): Is there interest in a distributed computing infrastructure for OSGeo. I would take a risk and say that there is no interest but a need or even demand of bringing a usable

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Lurkers

2009-08-21 Thread Mateusz Loskot
Landon Blake wrote: What do you think? Send an e-mail to the project list with an invitation to contact me privately about getting more involved? Are these lurkers worth the time? I would write a post on my blog: *** Wow! This is a fantastic news! I've just been told that the big company X

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Lurkers

2009-08-21 Thread Landon Blake
Thanks for the suggestion Mateusz. Unfortunately I don't know who Company X is. The blog post is a good idea though. Landon Office Phone Number: (209) 946-0268 Cell Phone Number: (209) 992-0658 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Lurkers

2009-08-21 Thread Bill Thoen
I've been a moderator for a commercial desktop mapping forum for more than 10 years and this behavior is quite common. I think it has more to do with how people adapt to a social network than it has to do with anything unique in the Open Source world. Like Chris mentioned, the majority of

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Lurkers

2009-08-21 Thread Abhay
Hi Landon, What I feel it is also part of Me-too effect when such a event happens. for eg. If a person from X company is using any of the Open Source Intiative. His/Her collegue from their own or some other division/company find out they start there own endavour to get to it without any