RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread Gavin Fleming
And another, different UbuntuGIS project!

http://gforge2.uwc.ac.za/projects/ubuntugis/ 

Gavin


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broad sky:

I suggest you have a glimpse on 
Ubuntu GIS ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS ) and 
Debian GIS project ( http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGis ) 
The above projects have an unofficial repository of Open Source GIS related 
packages with up-to-date stable versions.
And these distributions will make full use of GIS applications for users as 
well as provide GIS repository for us.

All the best.

 2007-07-19 09:46:12 you wrote: 

Hi Ciao Jeroen:
   Thank you .I don't want to kown how much these applications are used 
around the world.I want to know how many open source gis softwares have been 
developed around the world and information about these softwares such as 
supported OS ,develope language etc.

Broad Sky


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread Gao_Ang
broad sky:

I suggest you have a glimpse on 
Ubuntu GIS ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS ) and 
Debian GIS project ( http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGis ) 
The above projects have an unofficial repository of Open Source GIS related 
packages with up-to-date stable versions.
And these distributions will make full use of GIS applications for users as 
well as provide GIS repository for us.

All the best.

 2007-07-19 09:46:12 you wrote: 

Hi Ciao Jeroen:
   Thank you .I don't want to kown how much these applications are used 
around the world.I want to know how many open source gis softwares have been 
developed around the world and information about these softwares such as 
supported OS ,develope language etc.

Broad Sky


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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread Gavin Fleming
Another good listing is http://www.opensourcegis.org/ 

And a good review is the 'white paper' on the state of open source GIS:
http://www.refractions.net/white_papers/index.php?file=2006-06-01_oss_br
iefing.data 

Gavin


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On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 18:46 -0700, broad sky wrote:
> Hi Ciao Jeroen:
>Thank you .I don't want to kown how much these applications
> are used around the world.I want to know how many open source gis
> softwares have been developed around the world and information about
> these softwares such as supported OS ,develope language etc.
> 
> Broad Sky

In that case Jeroen's suggestion of seeing http://freegis.org is your
best bet.  You will have to do some trawling through the site to collate
the info you want because I don't think it's summarised anywhere. You
may be in for a bigger job than you realise because there is /lots/ of
open source gis software.  There's plenty of obscure stuff along with
the mainstay apps so you may want to set some discrimination criteria to
make the job manageable.

HTH,
Tim Bowden

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)

Look at Paul Ramsey's excellent overview in that case:

http://www.refractions.net/white_papers/oss_briefing/2006-06-OSS-Briefing.pdf

Btw Ciao means bye in Italian and is not part of a name :-)

Best regards,
Bart

broad sky schreef:

Hi Ciao Jeroen:
   Thank you .I don't want to kown how much these applications 
are used around the world.I want to know how many open source gis 
softwares have been developed around the world and information about 
these softwares such as supported OS ,develope language etc.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread broad sky
Hi Tim Bowden
Thank you for you help.I will do my best.



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On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 18:46 -0700, broad sky wrote:
> Hi Ciao Jeroen:
>Thank you .I don't want to kown how much these applications
> are used around the world.I want to know how many open source gis
> softwares have been developed around the world and information about
> these softwares such as supported OS ,develope language etc.
> 
> Broad Sky

In that case Jeroen's suggestion of seeing http://freegis.org is your
best bet.  You will have to do some trawling through the site to collate
the info you want because I don't think it's summarised anywhere. You
may be in for a bigger job than you realise because there is /lots/ of
open source gis software.  There's plenty of obscure stuff along with
the mainstay apps so you may want to set some discrimination criteria to
make the job manageable.

HTH,
Tim Bowden

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread Tim Bowden
On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 18:46 -0700, broad sky wrote:
> Hi Ciao Jeroen:
>Thank you .I don't want to kown how much these applications
> are used around the world.I want to know how many open source gis
> softwares have been developed around the world and information about
> these softwares such as supported OS ,develope language etc.
> 
> Broad Sky

In that case Jeroen's suggestion of seeing http://freegis.org is your
best bet.  You will have to do some trawling through the site to collate
the info you want because I don't think it's summarised anywhere. You
may be in for a bigger job than you realise because there is /lots/ of
open source gis software.  There's plenty of obscure stuff along with
the mainstay apps so you may want to set some discrimination criteria to
make the job manageable.

HTH,
Tim Bowden

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread broad sky
Hi Ciao Jeroen:
   Thank you .I don't want to kown how much these applications are used 
around the world.I want to know how many open source gis softwares have been 
developed around the world and information about these softwares such as 
supported OS ,develope language etc.

Broad Sky


   

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Going to FOSS4G? Special rates for canadian flights

2007-07-18 Thread Paul Ramsey

Great advice, and note that Air Canada flies to lots of US destinations too.

Daniel Morissette wrote:
Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but if you are going to FOSS4G in 
September and haven't booked your flight yet then today might be the 
time to book it: http://aircanada.com/ has a special sale with up to 40% 
off on flights within Canada. This sale ends tonight at midnight.


I have been tracking the prices of flights for FOSS4G in the last few 
weeks and can confirm that today's prices are a real deal compared to 
Air Canada's regular rates (at least for my own flight).


More details at
http://www.aircanada.com/en/offers/air/dailydeals/dailydeals.html
... and don't forget that this deal ends at midnight tonight.

I hope this helps some of you save some $$...

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] make software; Let the OGC do the standards sideof it

2007-07-18 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
While I too have no desire to see OSGeo to become a formal standards
body, I do want us to provide a "safe haven" for future work that could
not be done via OGC (GeoRSS and TMS being two possible past examples).
And by safe haven, I don't necessarily mean a formal committee; what I
do mean is access to diverse community thought, wiki/mailing-list
namespace, development testbeds (likely underneath existing member
projects), etc.

On technical, moral, and financial grounds, there remain good reasons
why OGC is not the proper place for some of the work some of us may do
in the future.

Thus, I'm +1 for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", which would serve as a
clearinghouse and announce-list for the above (and below) topics.
Subsidiary lists could be created as bandwidth/interest requires, e.g.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

We're probably all saying much of the same things here, and we could
probably quickly draft a wiki page for a statement of principles.
Although I'd love to see more discussion on this, maybe a FOSS4G BOF.

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Warmerdam
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] make software; Let the OGC do 
> the standards sideof it
> 
> Jody Garnett wrote:
> > I am rather tempted by this topic - I would love to join a 
> committee on 
> > this topic if it is created.
> > 
> > However I don't think it should be created -
> ...
> > We should stick with our mandate; making great open source 
> software; if 
> > you want to join the standards police there are a couple of 
> options. 
> 
> Jody,
> 
> I am somewhat of your opinion.  I think it would generally be 
> better for
> those interested in OGC and other standards to try to get directly
> involved with OGC if possible.  A variety of companies with developers
> working on our projects are already members.  And there is the $400
> membership option for some.
> 
> There has been some investigation of how OSGeo might liason with OGC
> with the goal of getting some project developers treated as OGC
> members for the purposes of document access, and contributing to
> working groups.  But that has ultimately not been very fruitful.  It
> seems if OSGeo joins OGC the only person the membership would apply
> to is Tyler since he is the only OSGeo employee.  So that is lame.
> 
> We could try for a memorandum of understanding with OGC somewhat
> similar to what they have with ISO *but* that is generally applied
> between standards organizations and we are not a standards 
> organization.
> So I doubt it would be successful.
> 
> I think an OSGeo standards committee could be useful for:
> 
>   o Reviewing standards compliance of OSGeo software packages, with an
> eye towards encouraging more complete and appropriate 
> implementation.
> 
>   o A place for open source developers to share expertise - 
> though there
> are already wms-dev and wcs-dev mailing lists hosted at eogeo that
> are appropriate for those specifications.
> 
>   o A place where open source developers with opinions on 
> specification
> could provide feedback to open source developers involved 
> in OGC.  For
> instance, I'm on the WCS Revision Working Group.  I might 
> announce this
> on the list, seeking feedback and suggestions on WCS 1.2 work.
> 
>   o Occasionally there might be particular positions that 
> OSGeo would like
> to take on particular standards.  This could be a place to develop
> such positions, and pass them through OGC members.  I 
> can't actually
> think of too many cases where this would apply though.
> 
> So, I'd say as a base level this could just be a mailing list, open to
> interested participants.  If we are going to have it formed 
> as a proper
> committee (which has at least some overhead) then it should be because
> we want it to do "real work" with regard reviewing, documenting and
> encouraging standards implementation in our software.  
> Essentially working
> on the OSGeo "standards story".  Also, possibly, if we really think we
> need to take an official OSGeo position on some things, 
> though practically
> a consensus from the mailing list could be taken to the board for
> approval without having a committee.
> 
> What I don't want to do is have OSGeo take on more than a passive role
> in standards development.  So stuff like the WMS-Tiling spec (TMS?)
> occured amoung various OSGeo folks but it wasn't really an 
> official OSGeo
> activity.  I certainly am not keen on developing a lot of 
> "OSGeo standards"
> beyond simple practical stuff we want for interoperability between our
> projects.
> 
> Best regards,
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Going to FOSS4G? Special rates for canadian flights

2007-07-18 Thread Daniel Morissette
Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but if you are going to FOSS4G in 
September and haven't booked your flight yet then today might be the 
time to book it: http://aircanada.com/ has a special sale with up to 40% 
off on flights within Canada. This sale ends tonight at midnight.


I have been tracking the prices of flights for FOSS4G in the last few 
weeks and can confirm that today's prices are a real deal compared to 
Air Canada's regular rates (at least for my own flight).


More details at
http://www.aircanada.com/en/offers/air/dailydeals/dailydeals.html
... and don't forget that this deal ends at midnight tonight.

I hope this helps some of you save some $$...

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[OSGeo-Discuss] How open source and OGC/ISO can work together - GeoAPI example

2007-07-18 Thread Jody Garnett
I mentioned GeoAPI a couple of times as an example of a "bridge" between 
open source software and the OGC / ISO standards process. I passed on an 
informal report we got in our IRC meeting on Monday, here is an update 
we got today.


Have a read of this email; and think if this level of involvement will 
be enough for us. It may be easier then setting up a formal arrangement 
- it has the strength of OSGeo making contributions in a format we do 
well (ie code) and OGC making contributions in a format they do well (ie 
large pdf documents and xml schema). Also note that the GeoAPI project 
is not limited to Java projects.


Martin Desruisseaux wrote:

Hello all

Sorry for being late, I have been in a rush for the past few days.

There is a quite report about what happened at OGC meeting, and what could be 
our road map if peoples agree (at the very end of this email). First, a quick 
reminder of GeoAPI history:


* At some point in the past, the OGC 01-009 implementation specification
   ("Coordinate Transformation Service Implementation Specification") was
   accompanied by a set of Java interfaces created by the OGC 01-009
   authors. Those interfaces were defined in the "org.opengis.cs",
   "org.opengis.ct" and "org.opengis.pt" packages.

* An independent contributor offered in 2001 additional Java interfaces
   in the "org.opengis.cv", "org.opengis.gc" and "org.opengis.gp" packages
   derived from OGC 01-004 ("Grid Coverage Service Implementation
   Specification").

* GeoAPI has been created in 2002 by James McGill in an effort to bring
   some open source projects (especially Geotools and Jump) to a common
   set of interfaces. While we used OGC interfaces (GeoAPI 1.0 was just
   a packaging of the above-cited org.opengis cs, ct, pt, cv, gc and gp
   packages), the GeoAPI project was formally independent from OGC.

* About at the same time, a OGC working group, namely GO-1, had similar
   goals. The OGC GO-1 working group (leads by Polexis) was in touch with
   the GeoAPI community. In June 2004, we formally merged the projects. We
   wrote a charter (link below) and got it approved by a OGC vote, as OGC
   document 04-059.

   http://geoapi.sourceforge.net/stable/site/charter.html

* The join effort between OGC GO-1 working group and GeoAPI community
   resulted in a rewrite of the referencing interfaces (for alignment
   with ISO 19111) and addition of geometry interfaces (ISO 19107).

* GO-1 final (OGC 03-064r10) has been released almost one year later
   (May 4th, 2005) and approved as a OGC implementation specification.
   GeoAPI 2.0 has been released slightly after GO-1 (June 7th, 2005)
   in order to reflect the GO-1 state. Many GeoAPI 2.0 interfaces are
   explained in this OGC 03-064r10 document.

* Polexis (now SYS Technologies) seems to have disengaged from GO-1/GeoAPI.
   I'm not aware of any progress in the GO-1 project since the OGC 03-064r10
   release in 2005. Consequently, GeoAPI lost its representative at OGC.

* GeoAPI work continued, thanks to the GeoAPI community, but we were
   failing to report our progress at OGC. I did some attempts to bring
   "GeoAPI request for changes" at OGC in 2006, but failed either because
   the document was not posted on the OGC web site (none of us were OGC
   members), or because I was not able to attend to the OGC meetings.

* At the OGC technical meeting at Edinburgh (June 30, 2006), OGC members
   voted the dissolution of GeoAPI working group on the basis that it was
   inactive. It was not a move against GeoAPI itself, just the normal
   procedure for a group that didn't reported any progress for 2 years.
   Maybe the apparent absence of activity was caused by the OGC's GeoAPI
   mailing list being totally silent; not all OGC members were aware that
   all our discussion happen on the SoureForge mailing list.

* None of us in the GeoAPI community were aware of this dissolution. I
   learned this fact only in May 2007 from an other OGC member (Spot Image).
   I wrote to the OGC director and we decided (on his recommendation) to
   submit the GeoAPI request for changes at OGC anyway. We got a two hours
   slot on Monday, and Adrian explained the GeoAPI context to the members
   present. I presented the Request For Changes after that.

* It was not possible to get a vote on the Request For Changes because
   the GeoAPI working group was not existent anymore. However we got a
   vote on the following motion:

 "The GeoAPI ad-hoc meeting proposes to the Open GIS Consortium
  Technical Committee to establish a GeoAPI Standards Working Group
  to revisit and revise the GeoAPI interfaces which expand the GO-1
  Implementation Specification (which is the OGC approved GeoAPI
  Implementation specification)."

   Moved by Martin Desruisseaux
   Seconded by Ron Lake

* In order to form such a working group, we need at least 5 OGC members.
   Adrian and myself will be on this group. We need 3 additional members.
   Jody, is Ref

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO & OGC spec development

2007-07-18 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

I'd not go so far as to create a list yet -- I'm not sure we know what
we're all looking for at this point.

For example: do we really want "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", or perhaps more generally
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"?  To my mind, these are two related-but-different,
and equally-interesting, ideas to explore...


Michael,

I think it should be a "standards" list, not an OGC list, even though
for practical purposes it will be mostly OGC standards.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] make software; Let the OGC do the standards side of it

2007-07-18 Thread Frank Warmerdam

Jody Garnett wrote:
I am rather tempted by this topic - I would love to join a committee on 
this topic if it is created.


However I don't think it should be created -

...
We should stick with our mandate; making great open source software; if 
you want to join the standards police there are a couple of options. 


Jody,

I am somewhat of your opinion.  I think it would generally be better for
those interested in OGC and other standards to try to get directly
involved with OGC if possible.  A variety of companies with developers
working on our projects are already members.  And there is the $400
membership option for some.

There has been some investigation of how OSGeo might liason with OGC
with the goal of getting some project developers treated as OGC
members for the purposes of document access, and contributing to
working groups.  But that has ultimately not been very fruitful.  It
seems if OSGeo joins OGC the only person the membership would apply
to is Tyler since he is the only OSGeo employee.  So that is lame.

We could try for a memorandum of understanding with OGC somewhat
similar to what they have with ISO *but* that is generally applied
between standards organizations and we are not a standards organization.
So I doubt it would be successful.

I think an OSGeo standards committee could be useful for:

 o Reviewing standards compliance of OSGeo software packages, with an
   eye towards encouraging more complete and appropriate implementation.

 o A place for open source developers to share expertise - though there
   are already wms-dev and wcs-dev mailing lists hosted at eogeo that
   are appropriate for those specifications.

 o A place where open source developers with opinions on specification
   could provide feedback to open source developers involved in OGC.  For
   instance, I'm on the WCS Revision Working Group.  I might announce this
   on the list, seeking feedback and suggestions on WCS 1.2 work.

 o Occasionally there might be particular positions that OSGeo would like
   to take on particular standards.  This could be a place to develop
   such positions, and pass them through OGC members.  I can't actually
   think of too many cases where this would apply though.

So, I'd say as a base level this could just be a mailing list, open to
interested participants.  If we are going to have it formed as a proper
committee (which has at least some overhead) then it should be because
we want it to do "real work" with regard reviewing, documenting and
encouraging standards implementation in our software.  Essentially working
on the OSGeo "standards story".  Also, possibly, if we really think we
need to take an official OSGeo position on some things, though practically
a consensus from the mailing list could be taken to the board for
approval without having a committee.

What I don't want to do is have OSGeo take on more than a passive role
in standards development.  So stuff like the WMS-Tiling spec (TMS?)
occured amoung various OSGeo folks but it wasn't really an official OSGeo
activity.  I certainly am not keen on developing a lot of "OSGeo standards"
beyond simple practical stuff we want for interoperability between our
projects.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] make software; Let the OGC do the standards side of it

2007-07-18 Thread Jody Garnett
I am rather tempted by this topic - I would love to join a committee on 
this topic if it is created.


However I don't think it should be created - the problem of how the 
standards process (ISO and OGC) can benefit from free and open source 
geospatial software is something for the standards bodies to work out.  
We can facilitate this as a point of contact; but that is probably where 
we should stop.


I repeat let them come to us - in many cases this already happens.

The OGC has included some open source software in its Open Web Services 
initiatives - GeoSever was used as a reference implementation against 
the CITE WFS 1.1 tests for example. This is a sensible approach to 
making the WFS 1.1 specification actually useful; in addition to a 
document, conformance test engine, they now have some source code people 
with questions can download to see how it is done.  Good on them; their 
standard is all the better for it (and frankly more believable as a 
standard).


We should stick with our mandate; making great open source software; if 
you want to join the standards police there are a couple of options. Pay 
to play is the one causing grief here, you can also review their 
documents as part of their public review period, and finally you can 
hunt an open source project that is implementing that standard and 
contribute in code. The last option is a bit weak; I contribute code to 
the GeoAPI project, and was able to contribute to a working group report 
last month, but as I am not an OGC member it fell upon others to attend 
the meeting in Paris and make the presentation.


The borderline case here is "Tile Map Service". When the occasion merits 
we do like to work together. We can define shared assumptions, 
conventions or in the case of "Tiled Map Service" additional metadata in 
order to collaborate more effectively. If some of our members are also 
OGC members they can trot these ideas out to a working group; having 
several implementations to point to for working examples should make 
that a fairly efficient process.


In the past I was able to get into the discussion on "Open Web Context" 
document (think Web Map Context document but for WFS, WMS and WCS). It 
sounds like the OGC has had a change of policy and I will now need to 
pay $400 for this ability?  For most of my feedback they will get it 
anyways - OGC members take part in the same open source projects I do - 
this will be more of an example of both organizations leaning on these 
individuals. At worst the OGC will just be inefficient - they release 
documents for public review (and if they are silly or unimplementable we 
can always just laugh - think of GML3 where the schema was not valid).


I understand that the OGC has an arrangement with ISO where they have a 
well defined mechanism for sharing ideas (cross publication or some 
such). If we do feel strongly that our involvement is needed we could 
ask our board to pursue talks with the OGC to set up something similar. 
For projects that interact with the standards process already they will 
have members in both organizations already.


Cheers,
Jody
Lorenzo Becchi wrote:
I guess this thread is pretty hot, there are many sub-threads and 
maybe a good solution could be to set up a mailing list, for the 
beginning, as: ogc AT osgeo.org
Trying to be practical I can offer myself to administer the list as 
I'm doing with the Spanish Chapter and the Spanish GIS Book.


There  will be the possibility to define possible actions, 
participation to OGC meeting, support to OSGeo new standards (as for 
Tile Map Service), creating or not a Committee ecc ecc.
I guess we can, as minimum target, set up a lobby of OSGeo softwares 
to promote effective interoperability of OGC standards.


ciao
Lorenzo

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread P Kishor

Besides Jeroen's counter-questions it would also help if you answer,
"How do you define a GIS?" That would be a good start to answering the
original question.

On 7/18/07, Jeroen Ticheler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Broad Sky (?)

A lot ;-) Browse www.osgeo.org and other sites like http://www.freegis.org
for instance.

But maybe you question had a different intent? Are you looking for how much
these applications are used around the world for instance? It would be
useful if you would be more specific in your question.

Ciao,
Jeroen


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I just want to know how many open source gis in the world.Any help will be
appreciated.
 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO & OGC spec development

2007-07-18 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
I'd not go so far as to create a list yet -- I'm not sure we know what
we're all looking for at this point.

For example: do we really want "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", or perhaps more generally
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"?  To my mind, these are two related-but-different,
and equally-interesting, ideas to explore...

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorenzo Becchi
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:15 AM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
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> 
> I guess this thread is pretty hot, there are many sub-threads 
> and maybe 
> a good solution could be to set up a mailing list, for the beginning, 
> as: ogc AT osgeo.org
> Trying to be practical I can offer myself to administer the 
> list as I'm 
> doing with the Spanish Chapter and the Spanish GIS Book.
> 
> There  will be the possibility to define possible actions, 
> participation 
> to OGC meeting, support to OSGeo new standards (as for Tile Map 
> Service), creating or not a Committee ecc ecc.
> I guess we can, as minimum target, set up a lobby of OSGeo 
> softwares to 
> promote effective interoperability of OGC standards.
> 
> ciao
> Lorenzo
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Traineeship on "Integrating & Harmonizing distributed Mapping Services" at EU IES institute

2007-07-18 Thread Tim Michelsen
The trainee is going to contribute to the on-going development of the 
geo-portal project described above. More specifically the following 
tasks are foreseen:
- identify the issues on integrating distributed WMS considering the 
draft INSPIRE view service implementing rule
- designing and prototyping an 'INSPIRE WMS harmonizing engine' that 
deals with the expected heterogeneity in multilingual capabilities.

The candidate will have good knowledge of
- English (written and spoken)
- Geospatial Web technologies

for more information refer to:
http://ies.jrc.cec.eu.int/actions0.html
=> job description at:
http://ies.jrc.cec.eu.int/fileadmin/Documentation/Reports/MSU/Trainees_07/PS_11602-1.doc


P.S.: sorry for crossposting... there's to many lists nowadays.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread Jeroen Ticheler

Hi Broad Sky (?)

A lot ;-) Browse www.osgeo.org and other sites like http:// 
www.freegis.org for instance.


But maybe you question had a different intent? Are you looking for  
how much these applications are used around the world for instance?  
It would be useful if you would be more specific in your question.


Ciao,
Jeroen

On 18 Jul 2007, at 11:15 AM, broad sky wrote:

I just want to know how many open source gis in the world.Any help  
will be appreciated.


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[OSGeo-Discuss] how many open source gis in the world

2007-07-18 Thread broad sky
I just want to know how many open source gis in the world.Any help will be 
appreciated.


  

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO & OGC spec development

2007-07-18 Thread Lorenzo Becchi
I guess this thread is pretty hot, there are many sub-threads and maybe 
a good solution could be to set up a mailing list, for the beginning, 
as: ogc AT osgeo.org
Trying to be practical I can offer myself to administer the list as I'm 
doing with the Spanish Chapter and the Spanish GIS Book.


There  will be the possibility to define possible actions, participation 
to OGC meeting, support to OSGeo new standards (as for Tile Map 
Service), creating or not a Committee ecc ecc.
I guess we can, as minimum target, set up a lobby of OSGeo softwares to 
promote effective interoperability of OGC standards.


ciao
Lorenzo

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