Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Job offers for OSGeo experts

[Mateusz Loskot]

Josh,
there is Jobs mailing list at http://lists.osgeo.org, so that's one place
to go. Second is the directory of service providers available from  the
osgeo.org.

Mateusz  Loskot
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On 23 Jun 2013 10:45, "Josh Fox"  wrote:

> Mateusz suggested asking a question about strengthening OSGeo on the
> Discussion forum.
>
> Is there an easy way for employers to find developers with expertise in
> OSGeo?
>
> I'd like to offer a web-widget from 
> FiveYearItch.com<http://fiveyearitch.com/> which
> does this for open-source projects, as in the JUCE open-source project's 
> ecosystem
> page <http://juce.com/ecosystem>.
>
> The goal is to help developers step up to new jobs with their OSGeo and
> related GIS skills.
>
> Does this make sense? Do you think that this would help  show the strength
> of the OSGeo ecosystem?
>
> Regards,
>
> Josh
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Has PostGIS in Action gone free?

[Mateusz Loskot]

Folks,

I've just stumbled across this curious encounter while searching the Web
for some PostGIS-related keywords:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mloskot/9684613809/

The complete book published here:

http://gvsig-argentina.org.ar/curso/

It doesn't feel legally straight, so shouldn't we OSGeo be more considerate?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] congrats to the new board members

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On 7 Sep 2013 22:04, "Dimitris Kotzinos"  wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> as the new board has been completed I would like to congratulate all
candidates for just being there (this is the most important in open
communities) and to those elected I wish a fruitful year!

I'd like to join Dimitris congratulations to newly elected board members
and thanks to previous and current members as well.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Election Results 2013

[Mateusz Loskot]

Great job!

Thank you Arnulf, the election MC, and all the CM's for votes.

Great board we've got.

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On 7 Sep 2013 17:51, "Arnulf Christl" 
wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Dear OSGeo Members,
> the election 2013 has been completed and we are happy to announce the
> new board of directors [1].
>
> Here are the final results from the voting for the open seats of the
> OSGeo Board of Directors. There were four seats open and they have been
> filled by (no particular order):
> * Jáchym Čepický
> * Jorge Sanz
> * Bart van den Eijnden
> * Gérald Fenoy
>
> Thanks to all candidates for going through the elections and exposing
> themselves. All six candidates received excellent support with more
> then 60 votes each. Overall voting participation was 71% (128 out of
> 180) and there were no tie scores to arbitrate. Thank you to all who
> voted!
>
> Your complete resulting Board is:
> * Anne Ghisla
> * Bart van den Eijnden
> * Cameron Shorter
> * Daniel Morissette
> * Frank Warmerdam
> * Gérald Fenoy
> * Jáchym Čepický
> * Jeff McKenna
> * Jorge Sanz
>
> With the election results published the new board of directors becomes
> effective as of now.
>
> Congratulations and please welcome the new and and re-elected OSGeo
> directors!
>
> We wish to thank the outgoing directors for their continued support of
> OSGeo and for helping to run a fantastic organizations. We thank all
> candidates who stood in this election and all OSGeo Charter Members
> for their contribution and votes.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Michael, Jakob and Arnulf
>
> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Election_2013_Results
>
> - --
> Your Chief Returning Officers
> on behalf of OSGeo
> Arnulf Christl and Michael Gerlek
> with the help of Jakob Tworek
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2013
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Has PostGIS in Action gone free?

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On 10 September 2013 13:54, Eduardo Kanegae  wrote:
> I bought the printed version of this great book and its website
> generate a PDF access but it's clearly for the book owner.
>
> Haven't heard about any changes on this pdf licensing.

Indeed.

The book has been removed from the server now.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Looking for a one pager write up for Why Open Source is good.

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On 12 September 2013 14:29, María Arias de Reyna
 wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm looking for a one pager write-up for a Booth display for why Open
>> Source Software is a good bet for businesses.
>>
>> Anything I can use freely or pointers would be appreciated. This is
>> intended as an informational handout.
>>
>> I have a start on something below, maybe it's easier for folks to add to
>> these.  I'll go off and look some on Google
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Look for the four liberties of free software. Here are some hints:
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
> And don't use open, use free:
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html


GNU and FSF is not the only trustworthy body.
So, suggesting GNU as the only credible source of the sacred books and
terminology is not a good idea.
What about OSI, what about all those open source and free software
initiatives and concepts
which do not relate to GNU or FSF.

There are many flavours of open source and free software, GNU is just
one of them.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Software Freedom Day - Today Saturday September 21, 2013

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 21 September 2013 00:58, Daniel Morissette  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just found out that Today Saturday September 21, 2013 is Software Freedom
> Day around the world.
>
> More info at http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/

Have a pint or three over there in Nottingham :)

(_)? (_)? (_)?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 21 September 2013 23:35, Tamas Szekeres  wrote:
>
> And so on (anyone is welcomed to add further experiences or ideas)

I think it may be worth to remind about CoApp:

http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/osgeo4w-dev/2013-April/002168.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 23 September 2013 20:35, Paolo Cavallini  wrote:
> what we mainly need IMHO is a clear direction, and
> therefore a mechanism to take decisions (e.g. the approach from Tamas is quite
> interesting, and different from the current one; Mateusz has suggested an 
> alternative
> route; etc.).

Paolo,
Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way
to package FOSS for Windows,
I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm afraid
(I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered
contributions that I make after hours).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO4W future

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On 23 September 2013 22:49, Tamas Szekeres  wrote:
> 2013/9/23 Mateusz Loskot 
>>
>> Although I suggested CoApp route as I think it's the right modern way
>> to package FOSS for Windows,
>> I don't think I will be able to get actively involved in this project I'm
>> afraid
>> (I'm no longer able to target Windows with my volunteered
>> contributions that I make after hours).
>>
>
> Mateusz,
>
> No worries, CoApp seems to be a compelling way that I'm also in favour of.

Thanks Tamas.

> I'll do some tests soon and let us see how the things will go.

There is #coapp channel on Freenode, Garrett 'FearTheCowboy' Serack is
a very nice guy, I'm sure he will be helpful.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] [coursera] Image and video processing

[Mateusz Loskot]

Hi,

On Jan 20th 2014, the coursera starts the course on image processing,
tools and algorithms. I think this may be of someone's interest here as well:

https://www.coursera.org/course/images

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from "About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons"

[Mateusz Loskot]

Hi,

In the paper "About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons" [1], on page 11,
there is a collection of test polygons used by the authors.

Does anyone happen to know where can I find a complete dataset or
a form of data definition (WKT, GML, etc.)  with those test polygons?

[1] 
http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/cda_downloaddocument/9783540226109-c1.pdf

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from "About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons"

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 27 October 2013 22:04, Wilko Quak  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The paper is from 2005

Yes, that's what Springer says:

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-26772-7_1

> and uses PostGIS 0.6.2.

I see,  I missed that important detail.

> I am not sure whether PostGIS
> had an ST_IsValid function at the time. Anyway when I am back in the office
> I'll try to find the original scripts.

That would be helpful, thanks!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from "About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons"

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 28 October 2013 00:31, Peter van Oosterom - OTB - TBM
 wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Quite sure the results are correct for PostGIS.
> The work was done in first half of 2003; see publication pdf's on 
> http://www.gdmc.nl/publications/
> PostGIS (and others) did much improve the years shortly after!
> Please find attached the test script.

Peter,

Not commenting on PostGIS capabilities at that time, but thank you
very much for the scripts!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from "About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons"

[Mateusz Loskot]

Hi,

It seems that Peter van Oosterom's e-mail with the SQL script attachment
hasn't made it to the Discuss list, so I'm forwarding it here.

Mat

On 30 October 2013 20:45, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> Hi Mateusz,
>
> the scripts weren't added... SVN hosting might be the best?
>
> ciao
> Markus
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Mateusz Loskot  wrote:
>> On 28 October 2013 00:31, Peter van Oosterom - OTB - TBM
>>  wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Quite sure the results are correct for PostGIS.
>>> The work was done in first half of 2003; see publication pdf's on 
>>> http://www.gdmc.nl/publications/
>>> PostGIS (and others) did much improve the years shortly after!
>>> Please find attached the test script.
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Not commenting on PostGIS capabilities at that time, but thank you
>> very much for the scripts!
>>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Test polygons from "About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons"

[Mateusz Loskot]

Wilko Quak is sending SQL script related to the thread:

Test polygons from "About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons"
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-October/012509.html

Mateusz

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From: Wilko Quak 
Date: 14 November 2013 15:16
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from "About Invalid, Valid
and Clean Polygons"
To: Mateusz Loskot 
Cc: Paul Ramsey , discuss@lists.osgeo.org,
Wilko Quak , Peter van Oosterom
, Theo Tijssen



Hi All,

Maybe it's a bit late but I found the PostGIS sql script that we used
10 years ago. I'll attach the old script that we used at the time.
With a little bit of work it should run on a current version of
PostGIS.

Best wishes, Wilko Quak

Ps. I cannot send messages to the OSGeo-Discuss mailing list, so if
the discussion is still relevant could someone forward it?



> On 27 October 2013 22:04, Wilko Quak  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The paper is from 2005
>
> Yes, that's what Springer says:
>
> http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-26772-7_1
>
>> and uses PostGIS 0.6.2.
>
> I see,  I missed that important detail.
>
>> I am not sure whether PostGIS
>> had an ST_IsValid function at the time. Anyway when I am back in the office
>> I'll try to find the original scripts.
>
> That would be helpful, thanks!
>
> Best regards,




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SELECT DropGeometryColumn('quak', 'test_polygon', 'geom');
drop table test_polygon;

create table test_polygon (id varchar(5));
SELECT AddGeometryColumn('quak', 'test_polygon', 'geom', -1, 'POLYGON', 2 );
-- tolerance 4000 units

insert into test_polygon values ('1a', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 
19200))',-1));
insert into test_polygon values ('1b', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 2 4200, 8300 15000, 19200 3, 33300 
19200))',-1));
insert into test_polygon values ('2', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (25000 13300, 17500 13300, 17500 19200, 25000 19200, 25000 13300))',-1));
insert into test_polygon values ('3', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (22500 11700, 16700 11700, 16700 15800, 22500 15800, 22500 11700),
  (23300 19200, 17500 19200, 17500 23300, 23300 23300, 23300 19200))',-1));
insert into test_polygon values ('4a', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (22500 15000, 13750 15000, 13750 22500, 22500 22500, 22500 15000))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('4b', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 13750 22500, 22500 22500, 22500 15000, 
  13750 15000, 13750 22500, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('5', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (2 13300, 14200 13300, 14200 17500, 2 17500, 2 13300),
  (25800 17500, 2 17500, 2 21700, 25800 21700, 25800 17500))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('6', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (2 15800, 13314 15800, 13314 21900, 2 21900, 2 15800),
  (24200 12500, 2 12500, 2 15800, 24200 15800, 24200 12500),
  (27500 15800, 24200 15800, 24200 20800, 27500 20800, 27500 15800))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('7', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 13300 21700, 18300 18300, 25000 18300,
  25000 13300, 18300 13300, 18300 18300, 13300 21700, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 
  33300 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('8', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 13300 21700, 18300 18300, 25000 18300,
  25000 13300, 18300 13300, 18300 18300, 5800 26800, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 
  33300 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('9', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200),
  (22500 15800, 10698 18300, 14840 24000, 22500 15800))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('10', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('11', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 28300 23300, 38300 27500, 28300 23300, 
  19200 3, 8300 15000, 2 4200, 33300 19200))',-1));

insert into test_polygon values ('12', GeometryFromText(
 'POLYGON((33300 19200, 24200 25800, 21700 15800, 24200 25800, 
  19200 3, 8

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Test polygons from "About Invalid, Valid and Clean Polygons"

[Mateusz Loskot]

Hi Wilko,

Thank you!

Your post has been forwarded to OSGeo-Discuss:
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-November/012529.html

Regards,
Mateusz

On 14 November 2013 15:16, Wilko Quak  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Maybe it's a bit late but I found the PostGIS sql script that we used 10
> years ago. I'll attach the old script that we used at the time. With a
> little bit of work it should run on a current version of PostGIS.
>
> Best wishes, Wilko Quak
>
> Ps. I cannot send messages to the OSGeo-Discuss mailing list, so if the
> discussion is still relevant could someone forward it?
>
>
>
>> On 27 October 2013 22:04, Wilko Quak  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The paper is from 2005
>>
>> Yes, that's what Springer says:
>>
>> http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-26772-7_1
>>
>>> and uses PostGIS 0.6.2.
>>
>> I see,  I missed that important detail.
>>
>>> I am not sure whether PostGIS
>>> had an ST_IsValid function at the time. Anyway when I am back in the
>>> office
>>> I'll try to find the original scripts.
>>
>> That would be helpful, thanks!
>>
>> Best regards,
>
>



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] About "Interactive Map" patent application by Apple Inc.

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On 21 December 2013 21:15, Brent Wood  wrote:
>
> Click on two points to display a route, touch two points to display a route
> - this is natural progression from mouse based hardware to touch screen
> mode. There should not be any patent there, it is just a generic change in
> pointing device.

User can type a word to 'feed' computer with input,
user can speak... - this is natural progression from
keyboard to voice operation of a HID.

IANAL, and I'm very far from being supportive to the patent in subject,
but I sense such reasoning would be easy to reject at court.

>
> Shock, horror - could OSGEO join with ESRI to contest this?

You mean, OSGeo. Perhaps, a letter with formal protest is technically possible.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] About "Interactive Map" patent application by Apple Inc.

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Hi Brent,

On 21 December 2013 21:55, Brent Wood  wrote:
>
> - they are not patenting the touchscreen as a new patentable innovation,
> they are patenting the adaptation of a single existing operation to the new
> technology.

Yes, I understand and the difference is clear here, during our conversation,
but the clarity disappears as soon as we switch to the twisted reality
of patents,
where lawyer militants are willing to fight even for unreal or hopeless cases.

My point is, we won't be able to prove X is an extension of existing Y
and X is not a new unique invention.

Let's assume patents in mathematics are allowed and Brahmagupta
obtained one for arithmetic methods; then al-Khwarizmi makes submission
to patent algebra: a new technology for old subject - numbers.
Now we have technology to work "with numbers" vs one to work "about
numbers" [1],
I bet lawyers would love such case arguing that the latter is not
a new technology, but adaptation of the former.

[1] http://profkeithdevlin.org/2011/11/20/what-is-algebra/


Regardless, perhaps, Apple is realising it is close to collapse ;-)
as per the theory that

"(...) continuous cycle of innovation that is necessary in
order to sustain growth and avoid collapse. The catch, however, to this
is that you have to innovate faster and faster and faster." [2]

[2] 
http://www.ted.com/talks/geoffrey_west_the_surprising_math_of_cities_and_corporations.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Invitation to participate in the OSGeo membership consultations

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I have filled the survey matching my answers ad close to my views as
possible but I also give +1 to agree with Frank's comments
3 sie 2015 18:39 "Frank Warmerdam"  napisał(a):

> Folks,
>
> For what it's worth, I also do not feel comfortable with completing
> the survey as it is currently structured as the structure forces me to
> give answers that don't really represent my views.
>
> For what it's worth I am in favor of:
>  - a modest number of charter members using something like the current
> process
>  - open membership
>  - no manditory membership fees
>  - make every effort to treat regular members the same as charter
> members except for the minimum voting stuff required to be legally
> distinct.
>
> Best regards,
> Frank
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Jim Klassen  wrote:
> > I have been involved in the MapServer and GeoMoose projects since before
> > OSGeo existed.  I remember the founding of OSGeo and the heated
> > discussions that took place to define the direction OSGeo would take.
> > The future of OSGeo and how it interacts with its members is very
> > important to me.
> >
> > However, as a charter member, this current discussion and particularly
> > the survey has me confused as to how I should respond.
> >
> > For starters: Should I be taking the survey now or waiting for it to be
> > improved?  Where are the results of this survey going?  Does this survey
> > count as an official vote(s)?
> >
> > On 08/03/2015 05:16 AM, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> >> Dear Bruce, Steve, Even, Peter, Dan and others,
> >>
> >> Sorry for replying so late. I'm in vacation with limited Internet
> >> access. Personally, I agree with many of your points. However, as
> >> Steven already pointed out, we had a few days of open discussions on
> >> the survey before sending to our Charter members. Somehow I expected
> >> that our Charter members are subscribed on the discuss and board
> >> mailing list and following the topics there. Perhaps we need a
> >> dedicated mailing list for our Charter members or the invitation to
> >> comment on the survey should be also sent individually to all our
> >> Charter members. Not sure about the right approach. Anyway, please
> >> keep in mind that this is the first time we are polling our members
> >> and we still have to learn and adjust our communication skills.
> >>
> >> Now, regarding the survey. The main point was to find the best method
> >> to select our Charter members. This is an ongoing discussion for many
> >> years. The survey included the previous voting options and some new
> >> proposals. Then, some people suggested to use this opportunity to
> >> include additionally questions regarding the future of OSGeo
> >> membership. That's how the survey was created. The survey is really
> >> flawed if is not connected with the discussions on the "board" and
> >> "discuss" mailing lists. Different people, different angles, different
> >> opinions... But only a fraction of our members expressed their
> >> ideas/questions/opinions before assembling the survey. That's why the
> >> survey looks heterogeneous. I did my best to merge similar topics and
> >> not to include redundant questions. I also did not remove any question
> >> based on my own judgement. Anyway, I find this exercise very useful
> >> for our community. We should discuss further to keep our organization
> >> on the right track.
> >>
> >> Warm regards from the sunny Black Sea coast!
> >> Vasile
> >>
> >> PS I'm slowly catching up will all the emails on this thread (most of
> >> them privately sent). I'll get back when I have the full picture.
> >>
> >> On 7/31/15 3:07 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
> >>> Hi Vassile,
> >>>
> >>> This survey appears to be flawed.
> >>>
> >>> I applaud your efforts to bring this issue to a head, but I'm not
> >>> convinced
> >>> that we'll get valid results from the survey.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In my case:
> >>>
> >>> I believe that there should be open membership for any interested,
> >>> perhaps
> >>> with a membership fee.
> >>>
> >>> I also see the value of recognising key contributors voted through some
> >>> meritocracy process as the current Charter Membership allows, with this
> >>> group having a voting responsibility. This is in essence not very
> >>> different
> >>> from the concept of a 'committers' group within an open source
> >>> project. I
> >>> don't really care if the name 'Charter Membership' is changed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> However the survey appears to lead people into a binary situation where
> >>> they believe in 'open' or 'closed' with 'closed' apparently assigned to
> >>> those favouring 'Charter Membership'.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For example:
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to vote NO to 'Should OSGeo move from the actual elected
> >>> Charter
> >>> member model to an (open) regular membership?'
> >>>
> >>> But, YES to 'If you agree with the OSGeo regular membership, do you
> also
> >>> agree with a low annual membership fee?'
> >>>
> >>> However, I'm precluded from doing 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 30 September 2015 at 07:20, Paolo Cavallini  wrote:
> Il 30/09/2015 02:04, Jody Garnett ha scritto:
>
>> I think that the Github move is hazardous. Sure, it is easy, free
>> for open-source projects, and really really cool. Granted, it helps
>> a lot in getting fluid contributions to open-source projects. But
>> ... in two years, they may start shipping sponsors links at the end
>> of the Readme files, and in a moments notice you have to watch 20
>> seconds ads before cloning. At this point, you will want to bail
>> out, only to find out that in fact you can not, because you can not
>> delete the project anymore, or the issue tracker database can not be
>> exported ...
>>
>>
>> Not much of a problem here, since git means each developer has a copy of
>> the whole project. I know we had the same story with SourceForge ...
>
> I think the concerns about GH are real. I feel uneasy putting strategic
> pieces of infrastructure in the hands of a company is risky over the
> long term. It is true that we have a copy of the whole code base and
> history, but the scenarios suggested are possible and worrisome.

There is also another aspect of the "All move to GitHub, now!" trend,
less obvious than technical ones, I guess.

On one side, OSGeo is FOSS advocate and we advocate it loud.
via numerous keynote speaches given at events around the World.
On the other, we gradually move to proprietary infrastructure based
on non-FOSS, namely GitHub.

The two sides clash, don't they?
People may get confused.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2015] Board of Directors elections results

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On 30 September 2015 at 14:42, Jeroen Ticheler
 wrote:
> Indeed, a very warm welcome to the new board!
> And thanks to the other electable candidates for standing and to Vasile for 
> facilitating the process!

Congratulations, indeed!

Vasile thanks for the great job, and support :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

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On 1 October 2015 at 13:20, Bart van den Eijnden  wrote:
> Before going to this trouble, we should check if there is an actual demand 
> among projects?

Indeed. Besides, projects which have already adopted GitHub
may not be willing to switch again.
I actually doubt it.

My comment is just a bit of wish that some purists would change their tone.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

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On 6 October 2015 at 17:48, Gert-Jan van der Weijden  wrote:
> If FOSS4G is meant to be an event exclusively organized by OSGeo then a
> rebrand to to OSGeo conference makes perfect sense.

Folks,

I'd like to remind us history of FOSS4G and its name:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G

FOSS4G was not born by, but it FOSS4G started independently.

FOSS4G is not a new conference, and its name is well-established.

IMO, any confuson is artificial.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

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On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
>  wrote:
> > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> > here goes...
> >
> > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
>
> Get off my lawn.
>
>
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html

The decade passed makes it to late, init?
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

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s/OSGEO/OSGeo/ :)

On 6 Oct 2015 23:11, "Paragon Corporation"  wrote:
>
> We really should have just gone with GeoBonkers' Meeting back then. It
speaks to me on so many levels.
>
>
>
> In all seriousness though, I think changing the name now that everyone
has gotten used to it and knows what it means is not a good use of
anybody's time.
>
>
>
> As Jeff noted, there are other ways to elevate the OSGEO name without
making the conference name OSGEO and really the message we want to give
involves both
>
>
>
> OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regina
>
>
>
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:45 PM
> To: Paul Ramsey 
> Cc: osgeo-discuss 
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2015 18:28, "Paul Ramsey"  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Barry Rowlingson
> >  wrote:
> > > Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> > > here goes...
> > >
> > > Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
> >
> > Get off my lawn.
> >
> >
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2006-September/30.html
>
> The decade passed makes it to late, init?
> Mateusz Łoskot
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo sponsors ?

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On 14 October 2015 at 16:20, Barry Rowlingson
 wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
>
>> The tone was "suprised" and "disappointed".
>>
>> Does advertising proprietary software solutions
>> on OSGeo website count as "championing" for its cause ?
>> I wouldn't expect that from my Open Source Compass.
>>
>> Or am I being misleaded by the lack of info on the net about
>> the software names found on that osgeo page ?
>
>  Proprietary software companies are big users of open source geo. Many
> of them give back in different ways - some by developing open source
> software alongside their proprietary code, some by patching and
> contributing to community projects, and some by throwing money at us
> [1].

Yes, indeed.

It may be also worth to observe the differences between FOSS vs OSS,
and that there is no mention of "Free" on the http://www.osgeo.org front page.
Please, notice there is OSI, not FSF, logo on
http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

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On 17 October 2015 at 10:22, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> Given the number of OSGeo projects that are moving their code outside
> of OSGeo infrastructure, Mateusz Loskot on IRC suggested to include
> guidelines about what is or ins't accepted as a code repository
> hosting for OSGeo projects.

To clraify, the suggestion was inspired by this article and
what Eclise Foundation proposed in their FAQ:
http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2013/06/20/eclipse-github/

Typical incubation questionnaire asks something like this:

"If you do not intend to host any portion of this project using the OSGeo
infrastructure, why should you be considered a member project..."

So, perhaps it would be better to clarify hosting
freedoms/requirements in advance.

> Of course the ethical criteria is orthogonal to the strategic
> arguments about having code hosted on or off OSGeo infrastructure.

Also, as the latest discussion about GitHub revealed, there is number of
practical features that make hosting alternatives more attractive.

Finally, with Sandro, we brainstormed idea of surveing the Community
about their hosting needs/preferences.
Sandro, Martin, Alex, have been putting efforts into setting up Git,
improving Trac, and overall improvements.
Those efforts might be wasted, in case projects will move to GitHub.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

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On 17 Oct 2015 17:06, "Anita Graser"  wrote:
> On Oct 17, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mateusz Loskot"  wrote:
> >
> > Finally, with Sandro, we brainstormed idea of surveing the Community
> > about their hosting needs/preferences.
> > Sandro, Martin, Alex, have been putting efforts into setting up Git,
> > improving Trac, and overall improvements.
> > Those efforts might be wasted, in case projects will move to GitHub.
>
> What about the projects which are already on Github?

Nothing. I'm not proposing any changes.
I'm asking questions myself.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

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On 17 October 2015 at 21:34, Anita Graser  wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 05:06:54PM +0200, Anita Graser wrote:
>> > On Oct 17, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mateusz Loskot"  wrote:
>> >
>> > What about the projects which are already on Github?
>>
>> They hadn't wasted any effort, because no effort existed...
>
> Projects which moved to Github at some point spent effort to both make the
> decision and make the move. Granted, no effort on OSGeo side might have been
> wasted.

Let's imagine, all projects move to GitHub, then it affects OSGeo infrastructure
which becomes obsolete. Also, for some/many, move to GitHub may be
controversial, depending on actual (F)OSS-orientation of the community members.
So, IMO, wider discussion is not that pointless.

>> Anyway, the request is to the OSGeo board to clarify requisites of hosting
>> for OSGeo projects.
>
> I'm trying to understand the direction this discussion is going since I
> might not be aware of the full background story. Are you expressing a wish
> for stricter hosting guidelines? Or would you simply want clarification,
> even if that means OSGeo takes a very "everything goes" position?

I'd like to clarify my part of the discussion, which began as informal
chat on IRC,
since Sandro called my name, here is the story:

1. PostGIS is considering switch to Git, so they started discussing
git.osgeo.org vs GitHub.
2. Sandro prefers the idea of git.osgeo.org, so he started working
with SAC towards
setting up git.osgeo.org hosting, Trac integration, etc.
3. Regardless, PostGIS team is leaning towards GitHub.
4. Some of OSGeo projects have already moved to GitHub.
5. I started asking if Sandro's & SAC efforts to set up git.osgeo.org
make any sense,
if it is not going to be wasted energy - in case OSGeo projects stick
to SVN or move to GitHub.
6. Sandro does not mind and has been pressing on
7. I pointed out, that it is not about wasting energy of an individual
volunteer, there is more to consider,
especially, if all stars on the skyp indicate so far, that just
PostGIS (what is still unsure)
is going to use git.osgeo.org

Once Sandro has completed setting up git.osgeo.org infrastructure, who
is going to maintain it?
If SAC is going to inherit that baby, has SAC agreed to take it over
and invest time on keeping it up
and running? It is going to be one (or more) services extra to keep up
to date, secure, monitor,
back up, migrate, etc.

Bottom-up approach is a fantastic thing, but it drags certain
consequences that need to be considered.

So, I proposed that we (SAC) should survey the Community about their
hosting needs and ask
if git.osgeo.org is something we actually need, if there are any
projects interested in actually using it.

If yes, do we need plain Git installation, Git+Trac or perhaps GitLab?
If not, then why?
If not, because projects prefer GitHub, BitBucket, etc. then perhaps
OSGeo should
explicitly allow that and, perhaps, let SAC to actively maintain
organization accounts
on those external hosting services.

Unless, we as an established organization do not Wild Wild West approach,
we may need to clarify some answers.

Finally, after reading about similar experiences [1] at
Eclipse/Apache, I think this issue
is related to the recent "OSGeo is becoming irrelevant" thread too, so
it may be something
to make the Board concerned about.

[1] http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2013/06/20/eclipse-github/

I hope it makes more sense now.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo thoughts on discussion/collaboration platform hosting

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 18 October 2015 at 14:16, Michael Smith  wrote:
> Along the lines of code hosting, do we want to think about some kind of
> OSGeo hosted Slack-like service for the community / projects, eg
> MatterMost, RocketChat, etc?

Personally, IRC has served me well, but recently I started appreciating
communication channels like Gitter. I see, people may prefer chats like that.
By the way https://gitter.im/OSGeo.

For a GitHub-hosted project, I see how Gitter may be valuable for discussions
about issues, PRs, with easy linking to those artefacts, with archived logs,
but without polluting issues/PRs with too many comments.
Too much brainstorming in comments to issues/PRs may easily become
maintenance nightmare.

> I wanted to start this as a separate topic although a lot of these
> alternatives are based on git or gitlab so its a very related discussion.
>
> What would be useful to OSGeo projects?

Yes, I guess so.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

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On 18 October 2015 at 08:41, Andrea Aime  wrote:
>
> In particular, looking at GeoServer experience from the switch, it's rather
> evident we got more people contributing right the moment we did the
> switch
> [...]
> There is however a downside of that, most of these contributions are "one 
> time gigs",
> people help addressing the particular pitfall concerning them and then they 
> move on:
> github did not change the number of core developers, it just increased a lot 
> the
> number of other contributors.
>
> This kind of automation is also rather beneficial to filter our bad 
> contributions... which is
> the dark side of lower contribution barrier, core devs have to spend quite 
> some time evaluating
> pull requests... but ending up with a long queue of them gives a bad 
> impression about the project
> openness. So yeah, another bit to consider I guess, is the project ready to 
> take on them?

I can confirm Andrea's observations.
I have observed very similar trends since moving one of OSS projects
from SourceForge to GitHub.
From an ad-hoc contributor POV, the SourceForge infrastructure was
unfriendly, badly designed,
with lack of proper UX approach. Switch to the "awesome UX" platform
like GitHub released
those dormant potential.

The new benefits introduced new costs in peer reviews and maintenance.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

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On 18 October 2015 at 12:08, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 08:41:12AM +0200, Andrea Aime wrote:
>>
>> There is another benefit of moving to Github, which is build checks on pull
>> requests,
>
> Yes, this is something we unfortunately lost on OSGeo.
> We used to have buildbot running to that extent, but lack of volunteers
> made that experience come to an end.

This needs clarification.

We never had *it* as proper CI and at even comparable scale as it is
offered by Travis CI, AppVeyor and others.

We had tried CI mode for Buildbot with builds triggered by commits,
but we also observed it was killing our resoruces.

Comparing CI services via GitHub/BitBucket/etc. with OSGeo Buildbot
makes little sense. I'm inclined to judge, we can not afford to host CI
for all OSGeo projects at comparable scale OSS-friendly CI services can.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

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On 18 October 2015 at 17:15, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mateusz Loskot  wrote:
> ...
>> Finally, with Sandro, we brainstormed idea of surveing the Community
>> about their hosting needs/preferences.
>> Sandro, Martin, Alex, have been putting efforts into setting up Git,
>> improving Trac, and overall improvements.
>> Those efforts might be wasted, in case projects will move to GitHub.
>
> There are also projects which do not plan at all to move to git/GitHub.
> Or those who just use GitHub as a mirror of their SVN repo.

Indeed, that is why this discussion started.
Let's hear from those projects, let's survey what are the overall hosting
expectations, becore taking any steps.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

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On 18 October 2015 at 11:53, Paragon Corporation  wrote:
>
> Many of them would prefer OSGEO hosting (and preferably git over svn)
> because why force someone to get a github account just to put in a bug
> report or submit a patch.

Such barrier for ad-hoc contributors, not only on GitHub but our Trac too,
could potentially be removed by allowing a hybrid authentication
(i.e. sign in to Trac w/ your existing account on other social services),
if Trac provides support for that.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo/LocationTech relationship

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On 13 November 2015 at 14:24, Jeff McKenna
 wrote:
>
> why would you create a separate
> foundation with the exact same goals, and then later come back to the other
> foundation saying "no, we love you.  Give us the right to run your event".

Bang!

Jeff, thank you.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo/LocationTech relationship

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On 16 November 2015 at 23:11, Jody Garnett  wrote:
> If I was to sum up the difference in outlook between the two organizations
> today it would more be along the lines of LocationTech being "developer
> focused" and OSGeo being "user focused'. I think that is more a reflection
> of where the projects involved are in their incubation process that any
> strategic difference.

Jody,

I have to admit, to me as OSGeo member as developer (+SAC supporter),
this whole thread has not clarified almost nothing.

As much as I appreciate (and carefully read through) all your inputs,
that summary leaves me with even more questions.

And, BTW, I agree with you about the FAQ, it also reads naive and silly
(e.g. comparing Apache vs Mozilla, two different scopes, to
LocationTech vs OSGeo,
two with clear overlap).

Putting all the emotional cream whipped so far aside and objectively,
clearly, that it is all about potential, capacity and market share.

OSGeo has proved its potential, it is capable to paddle its own canoe
for a decade or more,
via large self-organized community and successful projects.

LocationTech is a fairly new player with huge & rich organization behind,
that has to prove it's capable to secure market share, and its position.
Otherwise, the parent organization will simply shut it down as any
failed project.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

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On 8 March 2016 at 12:19, Oliver Courtin  wrote:
> Le 8 mars 2016 à 09:34, Sandro Santilli a écrit :
>>
>> Donating some fun to core developers is surely appreciated [..]
>> but is just to stress out that it doesn't
>> take being in the same room at the same time to move a project forward.
>
> Obviously we tried to get some fun (in Paris). And hope we did.
>
> But real point is to share time together with projects in mind.
> Point is to strengthen, again, devs community.

Oliver,

I've done it in person but I'd like to repeat here too:
you've done amazing job organizing the Paris sprint.

It was a perfect combination of work and fun which also,
AFAIS, was very productive event for the numerous projects.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Buildbot resurrection, again (was: how did the Paris code sprint go)

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On 8 March 2016 at 19:42, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 03:32:54PM +, Jody Garnett wrote:
>> I second the idea of build boxes being very important to the well being of
>> projects. I was not aware that OSGeo had been running one, or that it had
>> been taken away.
>
> It was set up by Mateusz, did run wonderfully and got later
> discontinued during some sort of upgrade, I think.

AFAIR, it was combination of resources shortage, migration from
Peer1 to new infrastructure, etc...and the gradual duty take over by
the Travis CI/AppVeyor and alike

> He can surely add some more info. Chances are there's still a
> configuration around, possibly even under revision control.

https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/buildbot/

> Right now we have nothing ready to offer to those users that would
> like to donate some of their machines time to ensure PostGIS works
> on their system.

Has there been any poll to see what is potential number of such nodes
willing to connect?

>> Sandro we are setting up priorities for the foundation, I really encourage
>> you to take part and submit a PostGIS build box as an idea. I know the real
>> stop gap is volunteer time, I would hope such a useful idea would attract
>> people.
>
> I recall the OSGeo buildbot was not postgis-specific.
> Mateusz did layout a flexible configuration serving multiple projects.

It was flexible, but still not optimal.
However, IMHO, features offered to required resources ratio would never
beat what FOSS projects have got offered by Travis CI/AppVeyor.

I have already expressed my opinion [1] that I see resurrection of
OSGeo Buildbot a waste of resources.

Even OSGeo hosted GitLab + GitLab CI does not seem resource
efficient, unless majority of OSGeo projects say they would move
from OSgeo SVN (and GitHub too).

No critical mass, nothing to discuss.

[1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1214#comment:3

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What would you want from an OSGeo Git Service ?

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On 15 April 2016 at 09:52, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> What would you want from an OSGeo Git Service ?

My 10 features are:

1. LDAP (log in with OSGeo User ID or OpenID)
2. Private repositories
3. Organizations (e.g./GDAL)
4. User space (fork /GDAL/gdal into /mloskot/gdal, also private fork)
5. Issue tracker (internal, as external would never be as well integrated)
-- Milestones, labels/categories, commit keywords (e.g. Fixes #123)
-- Comment issues via mail is not critical, but nice.
6. Wiki (internal, see above)
7. Code review (comments on diff lines is a minimum)
8. Pull requests
9. CI (integration with Travis CI and AppVeyor is a minimum)
10. Webhooks and any other mean to integrate with IRC, Gitter, Slack,
whatever teams like to use.

The comparison table [1] so far, I think, makes it clear GitLab is the only
self-hosted solution which is close to what we've got now: Subversion + Trac.
It also matches my 10 points.

Gogs wins due to low*** maintenance requirements,
but it will require custom development what, I think,
is a deal breaker - we have NO resources for this.

GitLab wins feature-wise, but its maintenance might turn
very demanding***. If bigger hassle than SVN+Trac this
also might be deal breaker - we have VERY limited resources.

***We need to allocate budget for admins!



Finally, GitHub, wins: feature-wise, marketing-wise, with 'zero' maintenance
- most, if not all, of our projects already prefer GitHub.
The only reason we haven't done it already is the cost.
Let's allocate budget for paid account.
Let's negotiate with GitHub a discount, we are not 501(c)(3), but we
are 501(c)(4).


However, the very first question is still open:
Do we want or need to switch at all?
Are all teams happy with the OSGeo SVN+Trac setup?

[1]https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GitInfrastructureComparison

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] What would you want from an OSGeo Git Service ?

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On 15 April 2016 at 14:51, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 02:21:22PM +0200, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
>
>> Finally, GitHub, wins: feature-wise, marketing-wise, with 'zero' maintenance
>> - most, if not all, of our projects already prefer GitHub.
>
> 1. marketing wasn't in your 10 points ?

No, this refers to Jody's point(s).

> 2. 'zero' maintainance is true for any hosted solution (including
>gitlab.com, for example).

Just that being officially on GitLab does not equal being officially on GitHub.
Again, relates to the marketing point.
I also think that one of the major reasons OSGeo teams began move to GitHub
is because they "want to be where the developers [currently] are".

>> The only reason we haven't done it already is the cost.
>
> Done what ?

Moved to GitHub.

> Most projects don't need private repositories so could
> move at no cost. Or you mean the cost of having LDAP authentication ?

I mean non-technical reasons as that is what drives the move.

>> Let's allocate budget for paid account.
>
> Are you willing to collect quotes for hosted git service plans
> meeting all of your 10 features above ?


No and no need for any research.
There is just one player worth to consider, GitHub,
and the price is known (e.g. $200/month).

> Personally I wouldn't like to see an "open source" foundation pay for
> services based on "closed source" software

Personally, as long as policy and statements the foundation and its members
make are clear and consistent, I don't care.

> but I guess there are open
> source based companies offering hosted services too.

It does not matter.
Assuming dropping self-hosted solution is an option,
and looking at the current portfolio of OSGeo projects which
moved to and actively rely on this GitHub,
GitHub is only sensible place to move to.


>> However, the very first question is still open:
>> Do we want or need to switch at all?
>> Are all teams happy with the OSGeo SVN+Trac setup?
>
> I guess this needs to be an individual question, not a per-team one.

There needs to be team-based agreement.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] Should OSGeo accept "benevolent dictator" projects into OSGeo?

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On 11 May 2016 at 10:56, Peter Baumann  wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> while OSGeo and rasdaman share the strive for quality we come from different
> approaches: OSGeo believes in the power of committees and strong regulation
> whereas rasdaman has a culture of unbureaucratic, technocracy based
> collaboration.

Then, I don't understand why rasdaman entered the incubation in the first place.
It sounds like a complete waste of efforts.

http://www.osgeo.org/faq
"PSC should operate openly and with a consensus based approach(...)
A benevolent dictatorship is not considered a suitable open and
consensus based approach to governance."


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] remove from mailing list

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On 16 May 2016 at 10:13, oshanisinga  wrote:
> Please be kind enough to take me off the mailing list

Please, you can do it yourself here
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

At the bottom, follow "To unsubscribe from Discuss, "

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mantra request (OsgeoID)

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On 19 May 2016 at 15:30, Yves Jacolin  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What is a mantra? Sorry for so this naive question :)

http://www.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/ldap_create_user.py

See the note starting with "Due to..."

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Udacity: Data Wrangling with MongoDB + OSM

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Hi,

I've stumbled upon a course that might be of interest here

https://www.udacity.com/course/data-wrangling-with-mongodb--ud032

It concludes with OSM project:

"""
Choose any area of the world in https://www.openstreetmap.org and use
data munging
techniques, such as assessing the quality of the data for validity,
accuracy, completeness,
consistency and uniformity, to clean the OpenStreetMap data for a part
of the world
that you care about.
"""

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Possibly, The End of Gmane

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Hi,

Since many of OSGeo members use Gmane, this is relevant

Gmane has been under attack and Lars, the founder of Gmane,
is considering to shut it down:

https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Possibly, The End of Gmane

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On 29 July 2016 at 18:26, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
 wrote:
>
> Lars Ingebrigtsen thank you so much for a lifetime of generous giving.
>
> Whatever happens, you have given the world a wonderful gift!

Patrick,

Well said, Lars deserves lots of appreciation.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2016] Board of Directors elections results

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Hi,

Congratulations all the new board members!

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On 5 October 2016 at 11:17, Suchith Anand
 wrote:
> Thank you to everyone who participated in the elections.
>
> Congratulations to the new Board.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> 
> From: Discuss  on behalf of Jorge Sanz 
> 
> Sent: 05 October 2016 9:59 AM
> To: OSGeo Discussions; charter-memb...@lists.osgeo.org
> Cc: CRO
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2016] Board of Directors elections results
>
> Dear OSGeo community,
>
> These are the results from the 2016 elections[1] for the 4 open
> seats[2]  of the OSGeo Board of Directors. The results in alphabetical
> order are:
>
> * Angelos Tzotsos
> * Maria Antonia Brovelli
> * Michael Smith
> * Vasile Craciunescu
>
> Thanks to all candidates to oging through the elections process.
> Election figures are:
>
> * 78.8% participation (246 of 312)
> * 6 incomplete responses
> * 60 members not opened the voting
>
> There were no scores to arbitrate. Thank you all who voted!!
>
> The complete resulting Board for 2016/2017 is:
>
> * Angelos Tzotsos
> * Anita Graser
> * Helena Mitasova
> * Jody Garnett
> * Maria Antonia Brovelli
> * Michael Smith
> * Sanghee Shin
> * Vasile Craciunescu
> * Venkatesh Raghavan
>
> Maybe it's my impression but is not the most diverse Board we've had?
> Anyway, I will update the wiki pages for the Board of Directors ASAP.
>
> Please congratulate the new OSGeo Directors!
>
> A warm thank you for the outgoing Directors Maxi and Dirk for all your
> efforts for the Foundation, looking forward to keep seeing your hard
> work for the community in many other fronts.
>
> My job as CRO is almost finished now, I will update the wiki with the
> detailed results[3] as soon as possible. I want to give a big thank
> you to everyone for your cooperation but specially to Jeff McKenna for
> his always close look to all my actions fixing small issues and taking
> care of the job when I was absent. I will open a separate thread for a
> couple of discussions about this process and also a small
> retrospective and lessons learnt.
>
> Kind regards
>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

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Hi,

I've gathered some data about the current use of OSGeo infrastructure
by OSGeo projects, versus use of external services:

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo

I'd like to ask members of individual projects to have a look and
apply corrections and updates wherever necessary.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

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On 20 March 2017 at 00:13, Tom Kralidis  wrote:
>
> Thanks Mateusz: great idea and thanks for leading off.
>
> I've made slight updates for pycsw. Should we
> have a column for use of servers like AdhocVM[1] ?

Tom, good idea.

I briefely contemplated CI column with list of CI services used,
but eventually ended up with CI tag in GitHub column.
In majority if not all cases, if a project uses Travis CI/AppVeyor
it does it via GitHub.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

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On 20 March 2017 at 00:46, Jody Garnett  wrote:
> Geotools SVN has been migrated. The repo is just for historical record.

Fixed. Thanks Jody.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for update

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On 20 March 2017 at 21:02, Cameron Shorter  wrote:
> I've added a line for OSGeo-Live

FYI, I only walked through the ones in the "OSGeo Projects" frame at osgeo.org.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

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On 25 March 2017 at 10:17, Suchith Anand  wrote:
> My query was if the term Open can be used for marketing any properitery 
> softwares and platforms and to know if there are any guidelines on this?

Nobody has a monopoly on use of the word.

BTW, without a secret, there is no technology advancement, there is no
motivation for development of counter-technologies.
Mind you, communities and businesses have long recognised without
open, there is no close and vice versa.
Hence, so called business-friendly open source licenses, LocationTech, etc.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

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On 25 March 2017 at 12:54, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 12:43:29PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
>
>> without a secret, there is no technology advancement
>
> I think this is a purely ideological position.
>
> Secrets can generate all kind of deseases, if you ask me :)

They do, but at the same time, we wouldn't be where we are now
in terms of civilisation development. yin/yang

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier properitery product as Open ?

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On 25 March 2017 at 13:01, Paolo Cavallini  wrote:
> Il 25/03/2017 12:56, Mateusz Loskot ha scritto:
>
>> They do, but at the same time, we wouldn't be where we are now
>> in terms of civilisation development. yin/yang
>
> Not quite sure about that: Mateusz, do you have a reference to support this?

It is just my opinion and interpretation of what I have learned about/from
history, state of current affairs.

If there was no Soviet Union and USA, man would have arrived on the Moon
much later than he actually did. I'm certain, but I can't prove it, obviously.

Nobody is asking for reference regarding the misleading practices
implied in the thread.
OP's posed questions vaguely enough to make it impossible to pertain to
with any relevant references.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Where to hire a FOSS4G freelane developer?

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On 2017-05-11 9:35 AM, Luí­s Moreira de Sousa wrote:
> Is there any resource within the OSGeo cosmos to help hiring freelance
> developers from our community? For instance, an index of folk certified
> by Arnulf?

Does Arnulf run a certification program?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Orfeo ToolBox Graduates Incubation

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Congratulations OTB!

ML

On 27 Jul 2017 1:01 am, "Jody Garnett"  wrote:

> The Open Source Geospatial Foundation is pleased to announce that Orfeo
> ToolBox (OTB)  has graduated from
> incubation and is now a full fledged OSGeo project.
>
> Orfeo ToolBox (OTB) is an open-source project for state-of-the-art remote
> sensing. Built as part of the open-source geospatial community, Orfeo
> ToolBox can process high resolution optical, multispectral and radar images
> at the terabyte scale. A wide variety of applications are available: from
> ortho-rectification or pansharpening, all the way to classification, SAR
> processing, and much more! All of OTB’s algorithms are accessible as QGIS
> plugins or the Monteverdi visualization tool - or for developers Python,
> command line or C++.
>
> Graduating incubation includes fulfilling requirements for transparent
> community operation, responsible project leadership, code provenance, and
> general good project operation. Graduation allows OSGeo to recommend Orfeo
> ToolBox as example sustainable open source software, giving users and our
> community confidence in the project and the project team.
>
> OSGeo would also like to thank project mentor Landon Blake along with
> Brian Hamlin and Jody Garnett for assistance during the incubation process.
>
> Congratulations to the Orfeo ToolBox community!
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Flickr OSGeo group admins wanted

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Hi All,

There are two 'official' OSGeo groups on Flickr:

OSGeo [1] (the community)
FOSS4G [2] (the conference)

Both have been there for very long time now.

While the FOSS4G group is maintained by 7 admin members,
I am the only admin of the OSGeo group.

If anyone wants to join me as OSGeo group admin,
please let me know (include your Flickr username).

There is not much/nothing to do most of the time,
but multiple admins will prevent the potential bus factor
and will help to answer join requests.

[1] https://www.flickr.com/groups/osgeo/
[2] https://www.flickr.com/groups/foss4g/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Flickr OSGeo group admins wanted

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On 28 August 2017 at 15:54, Jeffrey Johnson  wrote:
> Happy to help and to 'represent' the marketing committee here.

Done, you're in. Thanks


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Flickr OSGeo group admins wanted

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On 28 August 2017 at 17:07, Jody Garnett  wrote:
> Happy to help.

You're in. Thanks.

> I had considered using google photos more now that yahoo has sold. Flickr
> has received a couple improvements recently but we should keep an eye on it
> (both for usability but also respecting the CC-by-A license on our photos).

I don't mind a change, if anyone wants to lead one.

I have never used Google Photos, so I have no idea if it can aggregate
photos from numerous users as Flickr group does.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mentors money

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On 29 August 2017 at 03:36, Jody Garnett  wrote:

> Mentors can decide what to do with the money they earn through the GSOC
> program; in the past many mentors have accepted the t-shirt and donated the
> money to OSGeo. I know I donated money to OSGeo previously, but was not
> really specific about to any particular project.
>


I recalled, that was/used to be majority of choices.
I did that too.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mentors money

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On 29 August 2017 at 06:59, Massimiliano Cannata
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> Jody,
> it was never an option to choose if donating the money or not. Someone
> decided on the past and this option was never asked to mentors...
> I assumed this was part of the game: get one slot by OSGeo and it retains
> the mentor's money...

Wrong assumption. Mentors decided collectively.

I mentored for GDAL during OSGeo's GSoC back in 2007.
I was explicitly asked if I, as mentor, agree to pass the money to OSGeo.
It was Frank Warmerdam (GDAL project manager at the time) or
it was someone else (Tyler Mitchell perhaps),
I lost those emails...


Wait, found it:

[SoC] Windup, and Mentor Summit, Mentor Payments
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/soc/2007-August/000173.html

followed up by agreement responses from mentors
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/soc/2007-September/thread.html

*That* is how it started.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Seconding Joana Simões Nomination

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Hi,

I'd like to second Joana Simões nomination

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

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On 8 September 2017 at 11:54, Jeroen Ticheler
 wrote:
> Hi all,
> It is great to see the OSGeo community being so active and expanding! The 
> process of proposing and voting new members is an extremely valuable part of 
> that!
>
> The downside is that email traffic is exploding around this election. I fear 
> the election processes in the coming years already. Should we find another 
> way so propose and second nominees in the future to avoid flooding everyones 
> inbox?

Jeroen,

Good call.

In previous years, I was arguing about the seconding idleness :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership process & email

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On 8 September 2017 at 12:34, Angelos Tzotsos  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There was a discussion with the CROs at yesterday's board meeting, and a
> proposal to use an automated system for nominations came up.

move the traffic to dedicated electi...@lists.osgeo.org, perhaps ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Confirm subscription to geoserver-devel. sent from SourceForge.net?

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On 17 September 2017 at 21:12, Jody Garnett  wrote:
> Looks like the reply to is from nabble. Nabble occasional tries presenting
> mailing lists as forums (letting their users post anonymously). We prevent
> this by requiring people to sign up.

That sounds like a viable explanation (should have looked more
carefully at the headers).

> Why would nabble have your details?

Perhaps it's since my Nabble admin admin times
and my e-mail has not been removed from nab...@osgeo.org.

Anyway, thanks Jody

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Confirm subscription to geoserver-devel. sent from SourceForge.net?

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On 17 September 2017 at 23:57, Jorge Sanz  wrote:
> That was me :)

:-)

> I subscribed (again) Nabble to the list and the mailing list server sent the
> confirmation email to our alias for Nabble. I should have written a follow
> up email, my bad.
>
> Sorry for the confusion Mat!

No problem. Good it's not a security issue.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Marketing] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

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On 21 September 2017 at 10:15, Sandro Santilli  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 08:33:05PM -0700, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
>> How much of your initial concern was providing a link? Or is it just
>> displaying the name (switching to MapInfo for the example here). It would
>> be kind of nice if the it behaved like a keyword, and linked to the project
>> page short listing all the projects that one can migrate to from MapInfo.
>
> It's different degrees of annoyance. I guess a brand-less and
> link-less list of names of proprietary products would not be too
> "offensive" for me (assuming spam filtering lets it pass) but I'd
> still prefer an hidden keyword. Something that you never see written
> but is recognized by the search engine to give you back a similar
> software: you search for  you get .
>
> The "like Photoshop, only better" motto I like even when it contains
> the name because it explicitly bashes it :)

OSGeo Sponsors:

2007:Autodesk,LizardTech,INGRES
2008:Autodesk,LizardTech,INGRES,PCI Geomatics
2009: -//-
2010: -//-
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

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> On 09/21/2017 06:45 PM, Daniel Kastl wrote:
>
> I think "Switch2osm" is a very good example how to help migrating to
> non-proprietary tools: https://switch2osm.org/
> I quickly went through their site and as far as I could see, competitor
> names only appear in case studies.

What about names and links to providers:
https://switch2osm.org/providers/

Are they all pure open source or some are open core or
perhaps some just offer SaaS based on completely closed software.
Perhaps they are just buzzwording [1] and perhaps they are not, who knows?
Can I trust them about what their SaaS actually runs?
The fact that a company has hundreds of repos on GitHub does not make
it a pure FOSS company.

I've been part of OSGeo since its early post-birth times and
I've never seen a single person here in the Community having slightest problems
with listing (and linking) proprietary vendors as users, contributors, sponsors.

Mind you (all), Google, ESRI etc. are sponsors of OSGeo major event, the FOSS4G.

Mind you (all), tons of OSGeo LOCs was/is funded with monies streamed
from proprietary vendors.
Let's update the next release installer of PostGIS and label such
non-kosher features like PostGIS Raster to allow FOSS-purist skip
them.

The whole thread feels like an internal scramble for external witch hunt.

[1] http://blog.kathyreid.id.au/2010/07/19/open-source-in-name-only/

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [IIIF-Discuss] Registration for the 5th annual Geo4LibCamp 2020 and IIIF + Maps event is now open

[Mateusz Loskot]

FYI, the International Image Interoperability Framework community,
https://iiif.io community, is hosting IIIF+Maps meeting

ML

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From: Jack Reed 
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 14:41
Subject: [IIIF-Discuss] Registration for the 5th annual Geo4LibCamp
2020 and IIIF + Maps event is now open
To: iiif-disc...@googlegroups.com 

Hi IIIF community,


This event may be relevant to you all, as we will be hosting in
conjunction with Geo4LibCamp a IIIF + Maps meeting aiming to move
forward better support of geospatial data and maps with IIIF.

Geo4LibCamp is a hands-on "unconference" meeting to share
best-practices, solve common problems, and address technical issues
with integrating geospatial data into a repository and associated
services. The main event will be held at Stanford University on
February 3 - 5, 2018 (Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday), with optional
working sessions on February 6-7 (Thursday and Friday). We will also
be hosting a IIIF + Maps meeting on Thursday and Friday. For more
information about the IIIF+Maps meeting and to register please see
http://geo4libcamp.org/iiif+maps_2020/.

We hope to see you there! And please feel free to spread the word
about this event.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/geo4libcamp-2020-tickets-79265068955

https://geo4libcamp.org

Hoping you can attend,

Jack Reed
Software Engineer
Pronouns: he, him, his
pjr...@stanford.edu
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [IIIF-Discuss] IIIF Maps Community Group - Kick off meeting

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FYI

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From: Glen Robson 
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 15:56
Subject: [IIIF-Discuss] IIIF Maps Community Group - Kick off meeting
To: 


Hi All,

I am excited to announce we are starting a new IIIF Community Group to look
at Maps and other Geo related data and its relation to IIIF. There was an
interesting discussion around this in the Ann Arbor meeting and we agreed
that a community group was the best forum to take this forward. We have a
charter available at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XgdGNRQd7HOl7eHAwaedosBZo8kn9DnMkRK7dghZ6ZA/edit?usp=sharing

And we will be holding the kick of meeting this Friday (17th of January)
at 17:00pm CEST / 16:00pm UK / 11:00am EST / 8:00am PST. The agenda for the
meeting on Friday is:

• Announcements
• Discussion on the Charter
• Call for volunteers to chair this group

Full agenda available at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx3G45jd46iTbqsDl5OvYyVfLNYf8N2q-eH3dbs8LwQ/edit?usp=sharing


Please come and join us to start the discussion on forming this exciting
group. If you are interested in volunteering to be a chair but can’t make
the meeting please let me know.

Thanks

Glen Robson
IIIF Technical Coordinator
International Image Interoperability Framework (IIIF) Consortium
http://iiif.io


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[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: [IIIF-Discuss] [Agenda] IIIF Community Call 2/26 - Maps

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Forwarding IIIF community event info

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020, 23:29
Subject: [IIIF-Discuss] [Agenda] IIIF Community Call 2/26 - Maps
To: iiif-disc...@googlegroups.com 


2020-02-26 IIIF Maps Community Call

17:00pm CEST / 16:00pm UK / 11:00am EST / 8:00am PST

Zoom link: https://stanford.zoom.us/j/182269022



Please add any discussion items you have for the agenda:



https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jw1pzqKBOdvmDCi5_YG5eu3udR_phHxjJEX2TMrnZzQ/edit#heading=h.dfmy69l8g2ke





In F,L&T,

Stace Maples

Geospatial Manager

Stanford Geospatial Center

@mapninja

G+, Skype, Hangout: stacey.maples

214.641.0920

Wednesdays 3-5pm on http://KZSULive.stanford.edu

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Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] License for documentation

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 03:04, Pierre Abbat  wrote:
>
> PerfectTIN has two documentation files: two pages explaining how to use the
> program, and four pages describing the file format (which I just changed, so I
> have to edit the doc). There's no license note in the documentation. Which
> license should I use, and is it sufficient to put a statement of license in 
> the
> files without putting the license itself in them?

Are you considering separate licences, one for source code
and one for documentation?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] License for documentation

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, 15:36 Pierre Abbat,  wrote:

> On Friday, 28 February 2020 02:40:30 EST Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> > Are you considering separate licences, one for source code
> > and one for documentation?
>
> Yes.



Unusual, very.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] License for documentation

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 18:34, Pierre Abbat  wrote:
>
> On Friday, 28 February 2020 09:59:12 EST Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> > Unusual, very.
>
> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhyNotGPLForManuals

Well, GPL, that explains why I had no idea of such an approach.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] LAS point clouds in various formats wanted

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On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 at 06:50, Pierre Abbat  wrote:
>
> If you have any other point formats, or versions 1.1 or 1.3,
> please send me links so that I can test the code on them.

https://github.com/libLAS/libLAS/tree/master/test/data
https://github.com/PDAL/PDAL/tree/master/test/data/las

The libLAS test data should include older versions like 1.1

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Peer bonus awards for Jo Cook and Jared Morgan

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On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 22:43, Cameron Shorter  wrote:
>
> Jo Cook and Jared Morgan have been presented with awards for Google's Open 
> Source Peer Bonus Program. The award is a recognition and thank you to people 
> who go above and beyond in their contributions to open source. It also 
> includes a token financial contribution - enough to take the family out for 
> dinner at a nice restaurant.
>
> Well done Jo and Jared, you really deserve it:

Congratulations!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to set SHARE_DIR?

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On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 11:47, Pierre Abbat  wrote:
>
> On Monday, October 5, 2020 11:04:36 PM EDT Jim Klassen wrote:
> > I wouldn't expect someone to set CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME.  That just
> > seems like a good way to cause issues to me.
> >
> > There is a ~/.local/share directory and a ~/.local/share/applications
> > directory in my home directory that has desktop files in it.  (That might
> > imply using CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/.local is possible but that still
> > seems like it is asking for trouble.)
> >
> > Standard practice is to put the files under
> > ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/ unless the user specifically overrides
> > that.  I consider it hostile behavior when an installer or build system
> > starts putting files outside of the path(s) that I have specified for it.
> > I can make symlinks for files in ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share to
> > ~/.local/share/applications manually if I want to.
>
> My build directories are:

Pierre,

Forgive me if I'm a party killer, but why don't you request OSGeo SAC/Admins
to create a mailing list on https://lists.osgeo.org/ dedicated for your project?

This is "the public list to talk about the Open Source Geospatial
Foundation (OSGeo) in general" with many subscribers who are not
interested in programming or any other low-level technical trivias.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MapLibre

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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 21:38, Jorge Sanz  wrote:
>
> Hello OSGeo,
>
> Some of you may have heard about yesterday's announcement regarding Mapbox GL 
> JS v2 having a license change[1] from BSD into a closed license. Since Mapbox 
> GL JS v1.13 is still Open Source (BSD), several people forked the main 
> repository to continue with the project.


Does the MapLibre initiative plan to fork the related projects from
the mapbox/mapbox-gl-* ecosystem?

It seems the core dependencies are also being re-licensed [1]
It also seems the Mapbox Maven repositories no longer offer all
dependencies required to build the existing open sources of the Mapbox
ecosystem for mobile platforms [2]

[1] 
https://forum.f-droid.org/t/updated-distribution-license-for-mapbox-mobile-maps-sdk/10201
[2] https://github.com/mapbox/mapbox-gl-native-android/issues/631

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MapLibre

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On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 22:41, Tom Chadwin  wrote:
>
> > Does the MapLibre initiative plan to fork the related projects from
> > the mapbox/mapbox-gl-* ecosystem?
>
> As I understand it,  no, only Mapbox GL JS.

I see.

> Mapbox Native went proprietary a few months ago.

I'm late to the party and still making sense of what is the current
status of the parts of the Mapbox GL ecosystem.

Thanks

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] MapLibre

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On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 10:50, Luke Seelenbinder
 wrote:
>
> > Does the MapLibre initiative plan to fork the related projects from
> > the mapbox/mapbox-gl-* ecosystem?
>
> We do plan to fork Mapbox GL Native. It's not our initial focus, and we don't 
> have the resources to manage it just yet, but it's definitely in the works.
>
> MapTiler is already working on a fork they plan to release (towards the end 
> of this or early next year), so for the moment, that will be the "official" 
> fork, but if we get community interest, MapTiler has indicated they would be 
> willing to move it to the MapLibre project, if it makes sense. No guarantee 
> it moves to MapLibre yet, but definitely that there will be an active fork 
> going forward.

Luke, thanks for the update, it sounds very good!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] standard for pushingdata from GPS device to a web service

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Anton Martchukov wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> we want to develop a system including a hardware GPS unit
> with some wireless inet access that is able to push position
> data to the specified web service where it may be stored,
> processed and tracked online as needed. 

Hi Anton,

By the way, are you going to make your application or some of its
components an Open Source Software?
I have similar project on the horizon - an Open Source project - so
may be we could join our forces?
I'm just loosely asking.

> My friend has a commercial order on such a device, but since
> I also though about similar approach for needs of our bike
> club, we decided to unite and make the system as much open
> as possible. 

Sounds cool!

> We had no GPS/GIS experience previously, but after some
> research, we found NMEA protocol that may be used for this
> at some way, but it's proprietary and so is not suitable for
> open systems. 

Am I correct you're going to develop your own GPS device?

If you're not and if you'll buy one of available GPS devices,
then you most likely has no option than processing NMEA messages.

> At this point, we only see just simple requirements for the
> protocol:

Please, could you explain what you mean as "protocol" here?
Do you mean protocol for communication between GPS data reader
and GPS receiver device?
Or protocol for data exchange between GPS data processing software?

> 1) GPS unit sends current coordinates and a timestamp to
> webservice each time it was programmed to send this.
> The protocol should not keep any state, so each message can be
> queued and send as soon as internet connectivity is
> available. Since timestamp is included in each message it is
> not a problem to identify messages for a web service.

Is GPS unit supposed to communicate remote services directly?
Or through middle-ware like user's PDA or laptop?

> Our approach now is to develop a new protocol based on SOAP
> over HTTP, since we can utilise HTTP auth and SSL abilities
> this way and we will not need to mess with data representation.
> Writting WSDL with the data we need to pass from the device
> is enough. 

OK, but I'm not sure I understand where the service client will live.
Here, I thin it's good to define what you mean as "GPS unit".
Simple GPS is only a composite of GPS chip + antena + communication
interface, but another can understand GPS unit as Trimble GeoExplorer
or MobileMapper CE devices which are Windows CE-based.

Obviously, running HTTP client on GPS mouse or simple Bluetooth GPS
units may be a challenge, but on powerful devices like from Trimble or
Magellan it shouldn't be any problem.

Talking about a protocol, have you considered to OGC WFS
for this purpose?

I think WFS or WFS-T should be good to start with.
Next, if reasonable, a customized version of WFS could be developed,
like GFS - GPS Feature Service (tm) ;-)

> Surely, we may not see all the meat here and possible
> extensions and bottle necks in our approach. Or maybe there
> is already a standard protocol available and we will just
> need to stick with it and do not reinvent the wheel. 

I'd suggest to define "gps unit" and "protocol" better,
then it will be easier to iterate through your requirements
with better look.

> So, any advices from the list are welcomed, since we wanna
> make a standard and open solution for this. If someone is
> interesting to cooperate, feel free to do it. 

I believe there is a huge interest of such solution here.

FYI, we've discussed Open Source Mobile GIS solutions here, in OSGeo
Community, some time ago.
Also, we set up the Mobile GIS maling list

http://mobile.maptools.org/index.phtml?page=mailinglist.html

and a project (currently, no product(s) is available, but it gathers
interested users):

http://mobile.maptools.org/

with Wiki page where we put some brainstorm:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Mobile_Solutions

Note, that the Mobile GIS initiative is not officially lead by any of
OSGeo projects, but in fact, it's very based on our community.
I believe that after we will have some real development started, then we
could try to request for OSGeo incubation process for the project.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] standard for pushing data from GPS device to a web service

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Rich Gibson wrote:
> I think using a globally unique id to identify each gps unit would be
> fine.

Rich,

Do you know any such GUID defined for GPS units?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] standard for pushing data from GPS device to a web service

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Allan Doyle wrote:
> 
> On Jan 18, 2007, at 18:15, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
> 
>> Rich Gibson wrote:
>>> I think using a globally unique id to identify each gps unit would be
>>> fine.
>>
>> Rich,
>>
>> Do you know any such GUID defined for GPS units?
> 
> The bluetooth MAC address will be unique.

Yes, but it's a strategy only usable against BT devices.

> Not sure what to do about serial port GPS's.
> Maybe use something like your domain name?

Yes, that's possible, but only with devices used through client
software layer responsible for assignment and storage of such UID.

There are also Garmin devices which have accessible serial numbers
and solutions like used in (some?) Trimble units - user can
assign unique id, so is able to identify every unit from a set of
used in a team.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty GPS unit do not provide anything like
unique PRN codes used to identify GPS satellites.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] standard for pushing data from GPS device to a web service

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Paulo Marcondes wrote:
> 2007/1/19, Mateusz Loskot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> Unfortunately, I'm pretty GPS unit do not provide anything like 
>> unique PRN codes used to identify GPS satellites.
> 
> IIRC, at least gpsd provides information on which sats it is seeing 
> at each moment, and the NMEA sentences also report this info. Not 
> sure on other protos, better ask the gps experts from gpsd.

Paulo,

It's not a problem to identify all satellites in view (using NMEA
sentence GPGSV), and which are actively used to calculate
position (GPGSA). Also vendor specific protocols provide all necessary
information about it.

But above, I'm not talking about identifying satellites,
but identifying GPS receiver unit in global.

BTW, gpsd is a great piece of software but...
"No, we don't support Windows — get a better operating system. "
Also, in my opinion gpsd brings unnecessary components for mobile
solutions, like daemon. Usually, you don't need to use your PDA with
more than one GPS unit.

Talking about solution for mobile devices, I think it's
reasonable to consider development of dedicated solution (NMEA parser +
GPS data reader listening on serial/usb/virtual ports + simple
mapping to usable structures ie. C/C++ types).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] standard for pushing data from GPS device to a web service

[Mateusz Loskot]

Paulo Marcondes wrote:
> 2007/1/19, Mateusz Loskot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> Talking about solution for mobile devices, I think it's reasonable
>> to consider development of dedicated solution (NMEA parser + GPS
>> data reader listening on serial/usb/virtual ports + simple mapping
>> to usable structures ie. C/C++ types).
> 
> Have a look at the libs provided with gpsd, some may already do some 
> things that you may need.

Paolo,

Yes, that's a good idea.
I think it could be an interesting idea to derive some multi platform
and simpler GPS communication library from gpsd.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] standard for pushing data from GPS device to a web service

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Anton Martchukov wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 09:06:53PM -0500, Allan Doyle wrote:
>>>> I think using a globally unique id to identify each gps unit would be
>>>> fine.
>>> Rich,
>>>
>>> Do you know any such GUID defined for GPS units?
>> The bluetooth MAC address will be unique. Not sure what to do about  
>> serial port GPS's. Maybe use something like your domain name? Java  
>> style - net.loskot.mateusz.gps
> 
> Basically, since no existing protocol was suggested and so
> we will be stuck with developing our own one for interaction
> between network-enabled GPS unit and the server, we will use
> SOAP and HTTP authentication scheme.

I think WFS(-T) was a kind of suggestion.

> In HTTP authentication we can use text string as login that
> is some unique GPS id (at least in the scope of given
> server).

Yes, if particular application needs to identify a device, then it could
be solved by application-specific identifier system,
with some help on the protocol side.

For example, user/application is configured to authorize with remote
service using ie. e-mail address + password, transmitted by a WFS-like
custom protocol.

> Since it looks like no global GPS unit MAC/id already exists,
> we need some authority that can control the process of
> assignment of such ids if we want them to be globally
> unique. 

I believe application user can state such authority or provider of
remote service.

> Our another way it's possible to adopt some existing
> identifier authority for those purposes. Application
> enterprise numbers assigned by IANA for purposes of LDAP,
> SNMP and maybe some other protocols comes to mind. I think
> that it should be possible to use IANA assigned numbers for
> this. Everyone, who want to develop such network-enabled GPS
> unit, will have to request a number in IANA and then assign
> numbers for each unit within it's own namespace he got from
> IANA. That will work just like MAC addresses work.

Yes, but first simple solution could be implemented and tested, then we
can see if it's enough or not.

I mean, there are many Web services like YouTube, Yahoo!, Google, etc.
every service provides it's own authorization system, based on HTTP(S)
protocol. Similarly, every provider of remote service for GPS users
should has a liberty for implementing its own authorization system.

> But, can someone advocate the necessity of using globally
> unique ids for units? 

I can't and I don't think it's needed.
I just discussed what is available and what is not, in this matter.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] standard for pushing data from GPS device to a web service

[Mateusz Loskot]

Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
> Anton,
> 
> If I may ask a very basic question, What is driving the requirement 
> for a GPS unique id? It seems to me it would be much easier to do 
> something like:
> 
> 1) have a user sign-up for the service and generate a unique id for 
> them. 2) whatever software that is implementing the interface between
>  the GPS and server, requires you to enter the unique id created at 
> sign up.

Exactly.

> Also, I have multiple GPS units that I use in different scenarios, 
> why do you care which GPS I happen to be using. I have a tracking GPS
>  that is setup to record a track point every 1/10th mile and is 
> capable of running for 3000 miles before I need to download and clear
>  the track log. While this is not a real-time tracking application,
> up loading the track log after the fact might be a valid use case.

I believe it was only a consideration to bind ID to a device.
Some applications/users may want to be able to identify GPS device,
regardless of who is using it.
For others (and I believe for most users) it should be enough to
identify/authorize user, regardless what device she is using.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any suggestion of GIS magazine?

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Jeff Thurston wrote:
> As the editor of the magazine, I will say that the content is very
> mixed and varied. There are a significant number of articles
> pertaining to both large and small companies and projects. Topics in
> recent times have included context mapping, FDO use in software, GML,
> CityGML, open architectures, standards etc.

Jeff,

I think this list of topics looks promising for the FOSS4G community.
Could you give more details what kind of material do you present
ie. about FDO ?
Is this a developer-oriented, presenting programming and solutions in
action, or general overviews?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] any suggestion of GIS magazine?

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Jeff Thurston wrote:
> FDO is still new to a lot of people outside the programmer community,
> though rapidly becoming known because it is included in some well known
> products.

Jeff,

Yes, it's new. That's also the reason I started posting some short
articles on my blog. I hope I'll continue this introductory so other
programmers will be able to learn FDO & start working with it faster.

I believe it's a great idea to start publishing in a printed magazine
articles and tutorials similar to those presented in the ArcUser
Magazine, but about Open Source software (applications, frameworks,
libraries, etc.).

GDAL, PROJ.4, GEOS, ...all these great libraries and more
could be covered there.

> I've reviewed a few of these products, you can find the
> reviews on the magazine web site if you wish.

Thanks, I'll check it.

> Ideally the magazine will go where things are interesting. I recognise
> the developer-programmer folks as 'the community' too.

I agree with you.

> As an editor, I may not know the details of programming,
> but that is not a reason to include such material.
> Maybe you folks could peer review prior to
> publishing - even in a quick way? Just an idea...

Yes, I believe this idea is very interesting.
If you will have more details, I'm interested.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] An example of code sprint

[Mateusz Loskot]

Hi,

As the FOSS4G 2007 is going to host a code sprint, here is
an examaple of one that took place at PyCon 2007:

http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/Sprinting

AFAIK, code sprinting is a new idea for FOSS4G fairs
so may be it's interesting to see how it was organized at PyCon.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] An example of code sprint

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Jody Garnett wrote:
> Thanks for the link
> 
> I am really looking forward to the code sprint; it is going to be very
> hard to pick what topics to work on :-D

Heh, may be it won't turn into a huge cherry pie battle ;-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Choosing between MapServer and MapGuide OS

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Dave Patton wrote:
> Alexandre Leroux wrote:
>>
>> Hi OSGeo enthusiasts!
>>
>> Doubtlessly of interest to some of you, I asked Slashgeo users about
>> choosing between MapServer and MapGuide Open Source. The ones who
>> wants to share insights are encouraged to add their comments on:
>> http://industry.slashgeo.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/07/183222
> 
> Maybe this topic would be good one for a presentation
> at FOSS4G?

or a ring debate :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: [Imendio Announce] GNOME Mobile And Embedded Initiative Announced]

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Cameron Shorter wrote:
> I'd imagine this would be of interest to those working on mobile 
> Geospatial applications. You might want to join their email lists and
>  introduce them to OSGeo.

Cameron,

That's a great news.
I've subscribed the list. I think it's a nice potential for
next phase of MOSS4G project in which I hope we will implement
some multiplatform solution.

Here is another similar news:
http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2007/03/28/were-porting-qt-4-to-windows-ce-and-windows-mobile/

Some time ago, Peter Kummel and I have started porting QT to Windows CE
platform and at the end of March, Trolltech announced this.
We hope to start some collaboration, but they are not seem very
intersted ;-)

Anyway, the marked of FOSS stuff for mobiles is growing :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: [Imendio Announce] GNOME Mobile And EmbeddedInitiative Announced]

[Mateusz Loskot]

Landon,

It seems there is no list on GNOME, but on Imendio website:
http://lists.imendio.com/mailman/listinfo/announce

Mateusz

Landon Blake wrote:
> I didn't see a mailing list for this on GNOME. Is it at another site?
> 
> Landon
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:12 PM
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> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Fwd: [Imendio Announce] GNOME Mobile And
> EmbeddedInitiative Announced]
> 
> I'd imagine this would be of interest to those working on mobile 
> Geospatial applications. You might want to join their email lists and 
> introduce them to OSGeo.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Photo slideshow - mapping program link?

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Bengt Rostedt wrote:
> I would like to use a program that would link a photo slideshow
> program with a mapping program like OziE or Googlearth. The main
> functionality would be that while progressing in the photo slideshow
> the mapping program (running simultaneously on a separate display
> using the split screen possibility) would show the location where the
> displayed photo was taken and the angle of view in the photo.
> 
> I understand that the GPS exif data in the photo file if available
> would enable this, although only the horizontal angle as vertical
> direction data afaik is not included. I use Irfanview and Adobe
> Photoshop Elements 3.0 as regular photo viewers.
> 
> Is there any such program already developed or under development?

I don't know any program doing that, but I think GPS Visualizer could be
a good example of similar application:

http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/

May be there is any way to extend or found such functionality,
so its authors will do it for you. See the first Q&A:

http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/faq.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Windows verse Linux

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Zachary L. Stauber wrote:
> I've found actually that PostGIS runs as stable under Windows as it does 
> under Linux, and it's easier to install, plus it's more up to date.  The 
> RPM's for Fedora are always six months behind what is available in tgz form.  
> I couldn't find the information to get PostGIS RPM working under Linux, but 
> under Windows it was a 1 minute install and it was all done for me.

Sometimes, for some applications, you may want to tweak PostgreSQL and
optimize during compilation. It's much easier on Unix than on Windows.

> Also it was easier to set security under Windows.

I believe you mean easier for administrator (just a few clicks),
but IMO it's important to consider security level itself,
what's rootkits or virus prone more, etc.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] I need an Experts/Researchers in Geo-Informatics

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AYANLADE SINA wrote:
>
>   I need an experts/researcher in the field of Geo-informatics, who can
>  supervise my Ph.D programme. I hold a research-based M.Sc in GIS and
>  Remote Sensing. For more information about me visit site
>  
> http://www.oauife.edu.ng/faculties/soc_sciences/departments/geo/Web-Developer.htm
>   
>  I need studentship/felowship also for this 

Sina,

Could you write more about your PhD thesis, expectations, etc.?
I visited your website but there isn't any information about it.

I think it would be helpful if you can give more detailed overview
(here, on the list) of what you're asking for.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mapping Party in Victoria

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Lorenzo Becchi wrote:
> not sure this info already come on this list.
> 
> There will be an OSM Mapping Party in Victoria the week-end before
> Foss4g [1]

Great idea!
I'm looking forward it too.

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