Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Revamped spatialreference.org

[Even Rouault via Discuss]

ESRI used to have the most comprehensive on-line CRS repository, but 
it was taken off line some years back. Therefore spatialreference.org 
is also an important resource to ESRI users.


The raw content is available in their github repository at 
https://github.com/Esri/projection-engine-db-doc/ . That's what PROJ 
ingests regularly to refresh objects under the ESRI authority (which are 
now available on spatialreference.org)


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Cyber Resilience Act staying informed on updates

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Hi Jody,

thanks for the update.

The clarification of point 3 is still fuzzy to me. What do they actually 
mean by "monetised by manufacturers". Is monetizing only when the 
software is open source but people have to pay to use it on SaaS or 
similar models ? Otherwise if it is about money being involved in the 
making of the open source software, then that contradicts the second 
point that how the development was financed shouldn't be taken into 
account to determine commercial activity... Is consulting about open 
source software "monetizing" it ... ?


Even

Le 06/12/2023 à 16:09, Jody Garnett via Discuss a écrit :
Follow up to November discussion and blog post 
 
asking OSGeo community to be informed.


 1. At the end November Europe lawmakers agreed on something:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/11/30/cyber-resilience-act-council-and-parliament-strike-a-deal-on-security-requirements-for-digital-products/


Free and open source was so far down the priority list that the
press release does not even mention it.


 2. Next there were assurances that free and open-source community
concerns were addressed:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20231106IPR09007/cyber-resilience-act-agreement-with-council-to-boost-digital-products-security


The quote did indicate how our concerns were addressed:

> We have ensured support for micro and small enterprises and
better involvement of stakeholders, and addressed the concerns of
the open-source community, while keeping an ambitious European
dimension.


 3. This week I can find a articles providing clarifications that have
been added:
https://openforumeurope.org/eu-cyber-resilience-act-takes-a-leap-forward/


Two clarifications:

> the provision of free and open-source software products with
digital elements that are not monetised by their manufacturers is
not considered a commercial activity

> The mere circumstances under which the product has been
developed, or how the development has been financed should
therefore not be taken into account when determining the
commercial or non-commercial nature of [making free and
open-source software available on the market].


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] EU Cyber Resilience Act - potential impacts on open geospatial software?

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Hi,

I've drafted some personal notes in a pad 
https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/osgeo_cra-a2r1 if that may help for 
further action. Feel free to drop yours into it (anyone with the link 
should have edit rights).


I most certainly have mis-understood some things, and the formulation is 
too naive to be reused directly


The more I read the actual text of the act, the more it scares me. There 
is no way unpaid volunteers can comply with that (just look at the 
"CONTENTS OF THE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION" in Annex V, and consider such 
documentation may potentially have to be written in an official language 
of each member state). Even with funding, this would require specific 
expertise, and a serious revamp of our processes, which might end up 
being just incompatible with how OSS works.


Even

Le 18/08/2023 à 12:39, Angelos Tzotsos via Discuss a écrit :

Hi all,

We are planning to make a community meeting about the EU CRA, so we 
can discuss our action plan forward.


The meeting is planned for Tuesday 22 Aug 13:00 UTC in our Jitsi room:
https://meet.jit.si/OSGeo

Best,
Angelos

On 7/22/23 00:20, Adam Steer via Discuss wrote:

Hi OSGeo

The European Union's proposed Cyber Resilience Act has just come to the
attention of many non-EU folks as a potential dampener on open source
geospatial software development and usage. A summary from GitHub is here
(thanks Marco Bernasocchi for pointing it out):

https://github.blog/2023-07-12-no-cyber-resilience-without-open-source-sustainability/ 



  It's being discussed in the OSGeo board, and some responses from other
open source organisations have already been made, for example:
https://newsroom.eclipse.org/news/announcements/open-letter-european-commission-cyber-resilience-act 



It would be great to hear your thoughts on the impact of the proposed
legislation on open source geospatial software development across the
globe  - so we can form an appropriate community response as soon as
possible. What are your thoughts?

Yes, we're late in gettung our attention on to this. Hopefully not too
late.

Thanks,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] EU Cyber Resilience Act - potential impacts on open geospatial software?

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However you do not have to be the distributor -


Wondering if I'd be a "manufacturer" instead ? There are many 
obligations for the manufacturer in the CRA...


"manufacturer’ means any natural or legal person who develops or 
manufactures products with digital elements or has products with digital 
elements designed, developed or manufactured, and markets them under his 
or her name or trademark, whether for payment or free of charge;"


So because of the end precision, "markets them under his or name or 
trademark", maybe not me, but the project / OSGeo itself.



the customer self-serves from the open-source distribution. In this 
case the project - specifically the steering committee (acting on 
behalf of osgeo) are on the hook for a lot of these reg requirements.


That's a major issue. Members of steering committees are unpaid 
volunteers. They are more or less active. With our current organization, 
they are not in a capacity to face regulation requirements. Basically 
that would mean that projects should have salaried members, at least 
part-time, to do that.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] EU Cyber Resilience Act - potential impacts on open geospatial software?

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Le 18/08/2023 à 20:50, Jody Garnett via Discuss a écrit :
Thanks for setting that up, can we add it to the website ad an event 
or news item? That way it can be shared on social media and email lists.


The missing voice on this discussion (and osgeo in general) is the 
small and medium business owners.


A whole bunch of the concern is the impact on small and medium 
business owners. We have not yet heard from our service providers and 
sponsors on this subject.


I count as a small business owner, actually a one man company, and 
service provider and I'm indeed really concerned by the CRA.


Seeing obligations of reporting security events within a 24h delay makes 
me believe that I will have no right for any vacations The whole 
text seems to have being written with quite large software companies in 
mind with sufficiently big teams so they can organize on-call teams.


It is also completely inadequate to make a service provider responsible 
for the whole codebase: if I charge a customer for an enhancement in a 
part of the software, is it legitimate to make bear what happens in 
other places of the code base I may possibly not have written ? The text 
possibly doesn't imply this (but then it becomes fun to determine who is 
responsible to respond to a given security event), but such scenarios 
specific to open source decentralized model are not detailed, so we are 
in the legal uncertainty domain...


Also the obligations linked to the lifetime of a version are written 
with companies that have regular income from licensing fees and can 
actually take a part of them to organize security monitoring and 
response. Service providers don't necessarily have recurring income 
sources linked to a software, given that they charge for the labor (one 
time event) but not usage (long-term event).  What happens if I'm no 
longer involved with a software: am I still liable for what I wrote in 
the past, and people still use for free, but I should still bear the 
costs while no longer getting any related revenue ?


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] EU Cyber Resilience Act - potential impacts on open geospatial software?

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Hi Adam,

I'm not sure if we can come up with a completely novel analysis of the 
Act compared to what other foundations have already been done, but 
looking around the various resources and analysis, this is very 
worrisome if the text would pass in its current form (especially the one 
of the EU Parliament. Apparently the version of the EU Council would be 
better for open source). The open source exemption is really just for 
"hobby open source" projects.


Most OSGeo projects would be in scope:

- because of what they do: "This Regulation applies to products with 
digital elementswhoseintended orreasonably foreseeable use includes a 
direct or indirectlogical or physicaldata connectionto a device or 
network.".


- due to how they are developed: projects who receive contributions from 
sponsored/corporate contributors, are in scope since those are 
considered as commercial activities.


Like all legalese, fully understanding the implications is hard, but my 
understanding is that for OSGeo projects, OSGeo could potentially be 
considered as the ‘manufacturer’ for its graduated projects ("means any 
natural or legal person who develops or manufactures products with 
digital elementsor has products with digital elementsdesigned, developed 
or manufactured, and markets them under his or her name or trademark, 
whether for payment or free of charge;") and be subject to the various 
obligations of the text


- CE Marking (the analysis of the Eclipse Foundation goes to "all open 
source foundations should be responsible for CE Mark conformance: cf 
https://youtu.be/AmsM5_5QO5A?t=1577)


- active look up of vulnerabilities and associated obligations of 
declaring them to ENISA (the EU body that will be in charge of that),


- making sure to not deliver products with exploitable vulnerabilities 
(nice idea, but when combining lots of software, definitely an effort to 
put)


- specific documentation obligations

- constraints in the design

-etc etc..

Or perhaps the manufacturer could be each sponsored/corporate 
contributor, in particular the ones that would qualify as main 
contributors ?


The real novel aspect of the text is that it places tons of obligations 
to open source software (whose license mention it is delivered "as it", 
and which is generally distributed free of charge) that would fall in 
the scope of the regulation, for which neither the way projects/their 
supporting organization operate or their economics is prepared.


Perhaps a minimum form of support from OSGeo could be to add its 
signature to public positions already taken by well known open source 
foundations such as Mozilla, Apache, Eclipse, etc


github publised amendments for the text 
(https://github.blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/GitHub_Position_Paper-Cyber_Resilience_Act.pdf) 
that try to reduce the scope of open source projects to only those who 
are provided as paid or monetized products (the usual definition of 
commercial activity after all!), which also seem worth supporting.


Even


Le 21/07/2023 à 23:20, Adam Steer via Discuss a écrit :

Hi OSGeo

The European Union's proposed Cyber Resilience Act has just come to 
the attention of many non-EU folks as a potential dampener on open 
source geospatial software development and usage. A summary from 
GitHub is here (thanks Marco Bernasocchi for pointing it out):


https://github.blog/2023-07-12-no-cyber-resilience-without-open-source-sustainability/

 It's being discussed in the OSGeo board, and some responses from 
other open source organisations have already been made, for example: 
https://newsroom.eclipse.org/news/announcements/open-letter-european-commission-cyber-resilience-act


It would be great to hear your thoughts on the impact of the proposed 
legislation on open source geospatial software development across the 
globe  - so we can form an appropriate community response as soon as 
possible. What are your thoughts?


Yes, we're late in gettung our attention on to this. Hopefully not too 
late.


Thanks,

Adam

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Parsing well-known text

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Pierre,

> I just added code to PerfectTIN to read the variable-length records of a LAS
> file. I found a WKT record in a square of West Virginia terrain, with no
> line feeds; I added line feeds and indentation and attached it. The other
> point clouds do not have variable-length records. I'd like to heed the WKT
> units when loading a point cloud, if there is a WKT.
> 
> I'm also working on a program called Wolkenbase (not public yet) which will
> separate ground from non-ground in a point cloud. If you load a point cloud
> with no unit information, I'd like to add a WKT that indicates only the unit
> and nothing else. What would that look like?

As far as I know, you can't create a CRS WKT with just unit information. The 
most minimal 
content that validates the WKT1 grammar would be something like:

LOCAL_CS["unspecified CRS",
LOCAL_DATUM["unspecified datum",2000],
UNIT["metre",1,
AUTHORITY["EPSG","9001"]],
AXIS["Easting",EAST],
AXIS["Northing",NORTH]]

> Do you have code to parse and manipulate WKT? The WKT is in a std::string.

Yes, PROJ >= 6 has support for parsing and creating WKT in several versions of 
the WKT 
standard.

See proj_create_from_wkt() at 
https://proj.org/development/reference/functions.html, and 
all other proj_ getters.

For creation of WKT, you might need the more advanced functions of 
https://github.com/OSGeo/PROJ/blob/master/src/proj_experimental.h , before 
exporting 
with proj_as_wkt()

GDAL's OGRSpatialReference class showcases using number of the above mentionned 
PROJ 
functions:
https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/blob/master/gdal/ogr/ogrspatialreference.cpp


You may also look at PDAL that uses PROJ and/or GDAL underneath to deal with 
LAS CRS:
https://pdal.io/tutorial/las.html#spatial-reference-system


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Analysis] Geospatial server deployment statistics

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On vendredi 5 juin 2020 14:18:42 CEST Jody Garnett wrote:
> Interesting so some of the 5000+ WMS services attributed to geoserver may
> be mapserver instances?

I imagine someone with sufficient time and determination could actually do much 
more 
than saying this is a Geoserver, this is a Mapserver. You could actually 
probably tell the 
precise version number. One advantage of being open source is that our bug 
trackers are 
public too. So by looking at which bug a deployment has or not, you could 
really refine 
the identification. But that would indeed be time consuming and cumbersome to 
do. I 
guess only black hat hackers would be interesting in that :-)
But probably more easily: triggering exception situations in WMS/WFS/etc 
protocols 
should help to find the implementation. Error messages are really 
implementation 
specific. But maybe part of that was actually done.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Analysis] Geospatial server deployment statistics

[Even Rouault]

On vendredi 5 juin 2020 08:30:39 CEST Jody Garnett wrote:
> That is really interesting Jonathan, if you are open to cross posting it
> would be nice to reference this from a GeoServer blog post.
> 
> I especially liked the fingerprinting:
> > A ridiculously long, 5000+ item list of default projections that the
> > server supports that 1 in 6 GeoServer administrators hasn't culled
> 
> Surprisingly nobody has made a motion to start with a smaller list, and I
> think we found that if we provided a smaller list folks assume GeoServer is
> less capable.
> What do other WMS implementations do?

For Mapserver, it is up to the service administrator (aka mapfile guru) to 
define the list of 
CRS he wants to expose. Otherwise just the global (default) mapfile CRS is 
exposed.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] PerfectTIN 0.4.0rc2 released. Anyone know GPU programming?

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> The reason I'm not calling this 0.4.0 is that twice, once each on two
> different computers, the program crashed, but did not dump core 
because of
> ulimit. I ran the debugger, but could not get it to crash again. I ran it
> without the debugger, but it still didn't crash.

If not already done, I'd strongly suggest using the 2 favorite debuggers of 
the C/C++ programmer for memory related issues:
- build with https://github.com/google/sanitizers/wiki/AddressSanitizer
- or run with http://valgrind.org/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sign-up and subscription process request and offer of help

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Scott,

> We're working on building up the OSGeo Alberta Chapter mailing list and I
> have heard a few folks mention that they aren't really sure if they're on
> the mailing list though they feel they've done what steps are apparent to
> them.

Normally when you subscribe to a mailing list, you should receive a 
confirmation email. If you 
don't, this might be due to your email service provider bouncing back emails 
from the 
mailing lists. I've had several reports from several people over past months 
trying to 
subscribe to different OSGeo managed mailing lists facing that issue. When they 
can reach 
their email service provider and he is cooperative, whitelisting the 
lists.osgeo.org domain 
generally solves the issue.
For particular issues, you can file a ticket to the attention of the OSGeo 
System 
administration committee: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/newticket

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Free licensed alternative to ESRI map fonts

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Nyall,

for my understanding, and hopefully help others, I assume the issue is that you 
have a style 
definition where there are tuples of (font_identifier, 
symbol_identifier_in_the_font) to 
define the styling of layers with point geometries, right ?
Or possibly some dataset layers whose fields also are characters which are the 
symbol_identifier_in_the_font (that is each feature points to a different 
symbol), but the 
whole layer field uses a single font ?

If that's only the former, then assuming there would be N open fonts already 
covering the 
whole set of ESRI symbology fonts (unlikely), one could possibly create a 
mapping between 
each tuple of (ESRI_font_id, ESRI_symbol_id) to (OPEN_font_id, OPEN_symbol_id). 
If the 
later, then you need a complete replacement for each proprietary font.

How many symbols / fonts are we discussing about ?

Even

> 
> One common road block which I find I am encountering when
> organisations are wanting to transition to open source software is
> that they are dependant on the set of ESRI map symbology fonts. While
> there is a large number of quality open-licensed map icon sets
> available, there are currently none which are "drop-in" replacements
> for these ESRI font symbol sets.
> 
> Has anyone else run into this issue? Any suggestions for approaches to
> overcome this? Would there be any interest in OSGEO funding creation
> of openly licensed alternatives to these fonts?
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GDAL and Java on Windows (and FileGDB too)

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> I have downloaded the ESRI binary SDK (the 1.3 one, pointed by the GDAL
> format description page),

The link was of course outdated. I've just updated it.
The latest one is 1.5.1 from
https://github.com/Esri/file-geodatabase-api/

Not sure if that would solve your issues though.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS for Application Schema development

[Even Rouault]

Hi,

Looking at one existing GeoSciML schema, I see a mention it was generated by 
ShapeChange, a GPL tool :

https://shapechange.net/get-started/

Even

> Dear all,
> 
> I would like to develop a GML application schema [0] from an existing domain
> model. This is essentially an XSD file that can later be used by a WFS
> server like GeoServer. I am only aware of the Geospatial extension to
> Enterprise Architect [0], a tool that costs tens of thousands of euros.
> 
> Is there any FOSS alternative? What would be in general the FOSS way of
> developing an application schema?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> [0] http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/gml
> 
> [1]
> http://www.sparxsystems.com/enterprise_architect_user_guide/12.1/geospatial
> _modeling/generate_gml_application_schem.html --
> Luís Moreira de Sousa
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] is mantra-requ...@osgeo.org

[Even Rouault]

On lundi 6 novembre 2017 09:10:49 CET Thomas Gertin wrote:
> Is mantra-requ...@osgeo.org active? I tried e-mailing it a few 
weeks
> ago to try to get an OSGeo user ID but I never got any response.

It is. I see that Angelos replied to you on 11/10/2017 23:27 with 
the mantra. Resending it to you (privately) as it seems to have 
been lost in the limbo.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Alternative to CLA: Developer Certificate of Origin

[Even Rouault]

Hi,

Some food for thought for our projects regarding how to deal with 
contributions, triggered
by a recent reading:
https://lwn.net/Articles/738048/#Comments

Contributor License Agreement (CLA) tend to be replaced by a Developer 
Certificate
of Origin (DCO) in a number of projects:
https://developercertificate.org/

DCO is the mechanism required by the Linux Kernel originally, and by other 
projects
now, to accept contributions, as DCO requires less bureaucracy than a CLA and is
seen more friendly by open source communities:

CLA tastes more like corporate requirement and can typically require an 
employee to
see his boss, make him approve the CLA, etc...

An example how a project implemented DCO in their CONTRIBUTING.md :
https://github.com/moby/moby/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md

One thing that was no completely clear to me is how a 
Signed-off-by: John Smith " in a commit message means that
the contributor agrees to the the DCO terms. But reading the help of git commit 
for the
-s option that is used to add the Signed-off-by, I see:

   -s, --signoff
   Add Signed-off-by line by the committer at the end of the commit log 
message.
The meaning of a signoff depends on the project, but it typically 
certifies that
   committer has the rights to submit
   this work under the same license and agrees to a Developer 
Certificate of Origin
  (see http://developercertificate.org/ for more information).

So this is typically a git-centric mechanism.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proprietary GIS on our OSGeo website

[Even Rouault]

On jeudi 21 septembre 2017 11:20:54 CEST Jeffrey Johnson wrote:
> We have that kind of page here
> http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/about/migrate-open-source-gis/ ... The
> link was removed from the hero area when Steve Feldman changed this in
> Boston, so there is no content there now.
> 
> Are we not willing to even mention the names of these proprietary
> products for fear of 'promoting' them? Or do we want to present the
> user coming from outside our community some context about which open
> source projects are an analogue or replacement for the proprietary
> products they are already familiar with? Thats the real question in my
> mind.

I cannot honestly think that anyone would seriously believe we are promoting
proprietary software if they are mentionned under a "Migrate from" label. But
the point here about if we can legally use other product names (and if that
is a use of a trademark) in that context is a good one. They are probably rules
and good practices to follow in doing so, which can depend on juridictions 
(probably
US law applies here if the site is hosted in the US). 
Quickly researching about the topic leads to this article:
https://moz.com/blog/comparative-advertsing-can-i-talk-about-my-competitor-on-my-website
The bottom line is that there are legal ways of comparing to a competitor (is a
"Migrate from " mention considered as comparative advertising is another 
questio),
but you can still be sued even if you follow the rules, so it is a matter of
appreciating the benefit vs the risk. Funnily they recommand to explictly 
mention
that you're not affiliated with the other product owner! (I guess that's in the
same vein as the "Caution: Contents Hot" mention on coffee cups ;-))

I had a quick look at https://www.libreoffice.org/ to see if they for example
mentionned MS Office or Google docs. The only mention of MS Office I could find
is at the bottom of
https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice/ and it is a link to an 
external
site (they do mention the compatibility with Microsft Word, Excel, *formats*,
but that's a bit different than comparing to the products themselves).
On http://www.openoffice.org/ similar situation, only mention of MS formats,
and for compraisons with MS itself, links to externals reviews from
http://www.openoffice.org/product/reviews.html

Sandro mentionned GIMP's "like Photoshop, only better" motto but on
https://www.gimp.org/ no mention of Photoshop I could find

If you go on 
http://www.pitneybowes.com/us/location-intelligence/geographic-information-systems/mapinfo-pro.html,
no mention of ESRI
Same on http://www.hexagongeospatial.com/products/power-portfolio/erdas-imagine

Just trying to decrease the emotional level of the debate with facts ;-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Charter Member Nomination: Seth Fitzsimmons

[Even Rouault]

I second this nomination.

Seth has also contributed to GDAL, directly, or indirectly through open source 
projects 
leveraging it (I was happy recently to find code and blog post from him to run 
GDAL in AWS 
Lambda). I also see he has been a speaker to a number of events: FOSS4G NA 
2015, FOSS4G 
2017, etc..

Even

On samedi 9 septembre 2017 12:55:37 CEST Jeff McKenna wrote:
> Forwarding Seth Fitzsimmons nomination by Jeffrey Johnson. The 2017
> member nominations list was updated [1].
> 
> Best regards,
> Vasile & Jeff
> 2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
> 
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> 
> 
> I would like to nominate Seth Fitzsimmons as a charter member of OSGeo.
> 
> Seth is a long time collaborator and contributor to open source
> geospatial projects working across many libraries/tools and
> OpenStreetMap projects. He maintains Portable OpenStreetMap (POSM),
> tessera, marblecutter, the OSM Public Dataset on AWS and has
> contributed to projects including rasterio, OpenDroneMap, JOSM,
> OpenMapKit, the OAuth 1.0 specification (and assorted libraries),
> Missing Maps, and many others. He is currently on the OSM-US board.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jeff Johnson
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Nomination of Rob Emanuele as OSGeo Charter Member

[Even Rouault]

On mercredi 30 août 2017 18:33:02 CEST Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> Forwarding Rob Emanuele nomination by Doug Newcomb. The 2017 member
> nominations list will be updated ASAP [1].

I second this nomination

Even

> 
> Best regards,
> Vasile & Jeff
> 2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
> 
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
> 
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  Nomination of Rob Emanuele as OSGeo Charter Member
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 12:16:53 -0400
> From: Doug Newcomb 
> To:   c...@osgeo.org
> 
> 
> 
> Name: Rob Emanuele
> 
> Based on my positive experience working with Rob to organize the 2016
> FOSS4GNA Conference and for his continuing work in open source
> geospatial software I would like to nominate Rob Emanuele  to be an
> OSGeo Charter member.
> 
> 
> Doug Newcomb
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Charter Member Nomination for Manuel Grizonet

[Even Rouault]

On mercredi 30 août 2017 16:05:19 CEST Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
> Forwarding Manuel Grizonnet nomination by Gerald Fenoy. The 2017 member
> nominations list will be updated ASAP [1].

I strongly second Manuel's nomination.

Best,

Even

> 
> Best regards,
> Vasile & Jeff
> 2017 OSGeo Elections CROs
> 
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/New_Member_Nominations_2017
> 
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Charter Member Nomination for Manuel Grizonet
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:04:42 +0200
> From: Fenoy Gerald 
> To: OSGeo CRO 
> CC: Manuel Grizonnet 
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> it is pleasure for me to nominate Manuel Grizonet [1] for OSGeo Charter
> Membership.
> 
> Many people know very well Manuel for the huge activities he is leading
> for years in OSGeo. Manuel is involved in the development team and is
> PSC member of the OrfeoToolbox that has been successfully incubated this
> year.
> 
> Manuel is also taking part in the organisation of the OTB HackFest each
> year where the OTB community can meet. Other communities can join too
> and are very welcome at this event, I got the luck to participate in
> such a kind of event and I have to say that I was amazed by the great
> work they do there. During the hack fest, users and developers meet to
> share their use cases of the software, discuss the next steps for the
> project, but also the issue they may face using this or that part of the
> project and so on. It is just a very nice and efficient way to have
> feedbacks from the community and to meet often.
> 
> Manuel is very open to discussion even when, like I do, you have only
> question to ask him and not much to offer.
> 
> I am confident that Manuel will be a great addition to the OSGeo Charter
> Members list.
> 
> All the best,
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Grizonnetm
> —
> Best regards CRO,
> 
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] regarding Standards on the beta website

[Even Rouault]

On mardi 22 août 2017 14:07:04 CEST Jeff McKenna wrote:
> Many of these don't make any sense to me, if you ask me my opinion.  We
> should be using the list of OGC standards and entering them into
> wordpress, and not allowing editors to edit/add new non-standards.  But
> that is all my own opinion :)  Then we can link to these standards.  As
> of now anyone can create a 'standard' and post it on the beta site,
> seems very odd to me.

Just a remainder that OGC is not the only source of standards. For example, 
GeoJSON is IETF 
RFC 7946 for example (and before last year, was a community standard). GeoTIFF 
can also be 
considered as a defacto standard, etc.. You have also the ISO standards for 
metadata, etc...
Probably a loose definition for standards could be a specification available 
somewhere 
(potentially behind a paywall like ISO...), and implemented by at least several 
software/
vendors.

Even

> 
> Is my opinion here too strong?  For now I chose just to edit the
> descriptions for all of these 'standards', valid or not.
> 
> What do you prefer?
> 
> -jeff
> 
> On 2017-08-22 1:59 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> > Thanks jeff, I just noticed that work had been done in the GeoServer
> > meeting :) We also spotted one standard "OGC" which does not make sense.
> > 
> > Do you think it is worthwhile linking to these standards?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Jody Garnett
> > 
> > On 22 August 2017 at 09:42, Jeff McKenna  > 
> > > wrote:
> > Since we have so many website 'editors' (currently 84), please if
> > you do create a new "standard" (double-quote use is on purpose, as
> > many of these are not actual standards) when you are editing your
> > project page, please let me know and I will edit the new standard
> > and add a description - I have just went through all of these
> > "standards" and set descriptions for each of the 27 "standards".
> > 
> > For example:
> >(WPS)
> >  
> >  will now appear on the project pages as:
> >  
> > Web Processing Service (WPS)
> > 
> > This consistency makes it much easier to read for new users to our
> > site.
> > 
> > thanks all!
> > 
> > -jeff
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal for the listing of projects in our new web site

[Even Rouault]

Hi Angelos,

thanks for turning those discussions into a positive way forward and your 
proposal sounds 
good to me. A few comments below.

> 
> I would like to propose a way forward:
> 
> 1. We should *only* promote projects that are somehow affiliated with OSGeo
> (as other Free and Open Source organizations do eg. Apache, Eclipse)

Makes sense. When you promote something on your website, you are somewhat 
responsible 
for it, so you must ensure that it meets some minimum criteria that are in the 
"OSGeo spirit"

> A proposal for *new* rules:

> * Has to have an OSI or FSF approved license and be found on the web in a
> public place.

Sounds obvious, but we should probably rephrase that "Source code is released 
with an OSI 
or FSF approved license and is available on the web in a public place."

I know at least one project that is Apache licensed but released only as 
binaries, which makes 
it not very convenient to modify :-)

> * Has to be useful on its own with normal data, and NOT require another
> license to really use it

Is it something that is currently required for graduation ? I don't see this 
criterion mentioned 
in
http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html

That one is probably tricky to write correctly. Stated like this, that would 
for example exclude 
a Windows executable, since to use it you must own a Windows license... Even if 
you take a 
Linux executable that is X/MIT licensed, it links against the GNU libc that is 
GPL licensed (but 
as GNU libc is considered part of the OS, there's a provision in the GPL 
license to not apply 
the GPL obligations to the code that links to it). Or if you take a Java 
program, it must run 
within a JVM that comes with its own license. Same for Python, etc...

But beyond this nitpicking, that criterion can raise more fundamental debates:
* is the intent to exclude projects that would be open-source released plugins 
of a 
proprietary software for example (the plugin could be an exporter from 
proprietary formats/
projects to open source ones for example) ?
* Or open-source released projects that would connect to a proprietary server 
(just saw in 
LWN headlines that Debian is currently debating whether they should allow OSS 
software 
that connect to proprietary services) ?
* What about a fully open-source project that connects to a proprietary service 
?

If I take the exemple of GDAL, the following situations can be found:
* it is X/MIT licensed but can link to a few GPL licensed lib  (poppler, GRASS, 
...)
* it can link to proprietrary licensed libs
* it can interact with proprietary services that have a public API, but don't 
require linking 
against proprietary code
* other/most parts are fully useful on their own

So I think this question alone could deserve its own thread.

> The project should need to officially apply for being included as OSGeo
> Community Project, by answering a questionnaire (including information
> gathering for the web site and provide a point of contact for maintaining
> that information in the future)

+1

Relation question: if OSGeo website promotes a community project, should the 
website of 
this project  (or github page if no dedicated website) links to OSGeo one ? I'm 
not even sure 
this is a requirement for a graduated project.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Not graduated OSGeo project...

[Even Rouault]

On Friday 21 October 2016 12:41:56 Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> On 10/20/2016 10:53 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> > OSGeo-Live likewise has hundreds of contributors, provides a easy way
> > for new users to find out about Open Source projects, and maintains a
> > high level of quality. It should be promoted. Note, we have considered
> > taking OSGeo-Live through graduation. Checklist here:
> > 
> > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist
> 
> I think it is time for us to push the incubation process and address any
> concerns there might be about OSGeo-Live through that process.

+1. I think that the OSGeo-Live project deserves first class recognition, and 
from my outsider perspective seems to have processes similar to other OSGeo 
projects. Beyond what is products, the OSGeo-Live ISO, the packaging effort 
also greatly benefits to OSGeo (and other) projects.
Making clear what is the scope of the project and what is vetted or not by it 
should be sufficient to address any concern.

Even

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Detect and define the coordinate system of gis data with no projection information automatically

[Even Rouault]

Foks,

I read through the emails of this thread and I'm still not sure to understand 
what the exact focus would be. It seems it might go beyond the title of this 
email thread.

Is it about documentation about projections ? If so, I guess improving proj.4 
documentation could be appreciated. There has been a new commit just last 
night ( http://lists.maptools.org/pipermail/proj/2016-September/007480.html ) 
to add the chart of each projection :
http://proj4.org/projections/index.html . There are only images extracted from 
ftp://ftp.remotesensing.org/proj/OF90-284.pdf for now but that would be great 
to extend them with formulas, etc...

Is it about having a catalog of spatial reference systems (and all related 
information: projections, projection parameters, ellipsoids, datums, prime 
meridians, area of use, transformations, etc...) ? Then there are different 
projects already tackling that. For example GDAL starts with the EPSG catalog 
+ some algorithms to detect one of the many datum shifts to WGS84 (this part 
is controversial and could/should be improved), and that is the source from 
which the proj.4 'espg' catalog (the whole process is documented at 
https://svn.osgeo.org/metacrs/geotiff/trunk/libgeotiff/csv/README). This 
process 
is a bit cumbersome and we had some discussions last year about perhaps 
adopting a SQLite3 database instead (see thread starting at 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/metacrs/2015-August/000846.html) : this 
hasn't made progress yet.
GDAL has also a few extra catalogs from (somewhat old) ESRI definitions, and 
other vendors. There are also catalogs for SRS of other planets : 
https://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/ticket/6623 (interestingly Peter Baumann 
mentionned that the EPSG service might host this catalog in the future)
A tricky part about all this catalogs is the intellectual property behind as 
there are often not completely "free" in the meaning we generally give to that 
term for software (redistribution is OK, but most often modifying definitions 
is not allowed). But beyond that, as raised by Carl Reed, adding new spatial 
reference system definitions, or editing existing ones, is something that needs 
some form of validation at some point (unless you decide that anyone can 
modify anything, but that opens the door to voluntary or unvoluntary mess). It 
is similar to when someone submits a patch/pull request for code: someone 
needs to make a decision if it is appropriate or not.

You've also identified spatialreference.org (now somewhat abandonned due to 
lack of volunteer) or epsg.io as online catalogs. I see also 
https://github.com/ebrelsford/projestions#api that has been mentionned. 
Perhaps one or several of them of those could be used as the base to build 
something new above ?

Probably that the MetaCRS list could be a more appropriate and focused place 
to hold such further discussions ? 
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/metacrs

Unrelated: I read a few confusions in this thread with "OSGeo members" vs 
"OSGeo charter members". Quickly summarizing http://www.osgeo.org/membership: 
anyone can declare himself as a OSGeo member by registering himself on 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount . OSGeo charter members are 
members who are elected, for the only additional purpose of electing the OSGeo 
boards. There are also OSGeo participants who are anyone that takes part to 
OSGeo related activities. Projects are generally open to contributions from 
anyone, with some kernel/PSC (not necessarily made of charter members) taking 
the main decisions.

Best regards,

Even

> Hello,
> 
> At FOSS4G 2016 in Bonn i talked with Venkatesh Raghavan about my poster
> presentation "SHAPEFILE PROJECTIONFINDER". URL to poster:
> http://www.egger-gis.at/app/download/13175253496/POSTER_EGGER_FOSS4G.pdf?t
> =1469787116
> 
> He recommended to start a discussion in this mailing list about the topic
> mentioned in the mail subject.
> 
> I also talked in Bonn with Petr Pridal about http://epsg.io. Some days
> before Bonn i wrote emails to Aaaron Racicot and the mailing list of
> http://spatialrefrence.org.
> 
> Please read first carefully on my website, what i plan to do:
> 
> http://www.egger-gis.at/shapefile-projectionfinder/
> 
> There are two problems to solve before tools like SHAPEFILE
> PROJECTIONFINDER can be developed as a sustainable solution:
> 
> 1. Until today there is no stable free service running like
> www.projfinder.com by Aaron Racicot, which can be used by all developers.
> 
> 2. Until today there is no open source database which includes all
> coordinate system with epsg-code and additionally user and esri definded
> grids.
> 
> There are open source solutions like:
> 
> - spatialrefrence.org
> - epsg.io
> 
> But in the detail both solutions have problems to update their database
> with low costs.
> 
> Maybe OSGeo can promote a stable service with load balancing on the base of
> an existing solution like epsg.io including Aarons idea?
> 
> 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] Should OSGeo accept "benevolent dictator" projects into OSGeo?

[Even Rouault]

Le mercredi 04 mai 2016 18:34:27, Peter Baumann a écrit :
> HI Cameron,
> 
> first, as this word has been used too often now, the current model has
> nothing at all to do with dictatorship. What is the suggested opposite,
> BTW - "dictatorship of majorities"? ;-)

Actually reading http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance it seems the sentence 
that cause trouble is "Should such consent exceptionally not be reached then 
Peter Baumann has a casting vote." Does that mean that in case there's a tie 
in voting (which cannot happen with a 3 member PSC as currently), Peter breaks 
the tie ? If so, that seems acceptable to me (should probably be rephrased in 
a more neutral way to say to designate the chair of the PSC rather than a 
named individual).

I actually see that Johan Van de Wauw asked the same question but this hasn't 
been answered clearly.

Perhaps http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance could gain in clarity by 
defining precise voting rules (which majority, delays, etc...) As an example of 
simple rules (not necessarily to follow them, but to show the plain language 
used): https://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/rfc1_pmc / 
http://mapserver.org/development/rfc/ms-rfc-1.html / 
http://docs.geoserver.org/latest/en/developer/policies/psc.html ).

> 
> If it would at least be called a "technocracy", that I could accept:
> rasdaman has always been driven by purely scientific elaboration _and_
> consensus orientation and respect. Genius rules, regardless where it comes
> from - this is at the heart of our scientific progress.
> 
> It is the fundamental freedom of science that is at stake here.
> 
> I guess that OSGeo needs to decide whether it can accept a model based on
> scientific ethics ...or not.
> 
> best,
> Peter
> 
> On 05/04/2016 02:01 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> > Are you open to considering relinquishing rasdaman's current "benevolent
> > dictator" governance model?
> > 
> > Many (most?) OSGeo projects that I'm aware of are managed similarly to
> > your description below.
> > There is usually a sage or two amongst the community, typically someone
> > who founded the project. The sage(s)  have more experience with the
> > project, and their opinion holds greater weight amongst the community.
> > This informal relationship continues even with a formal Project Steering
> > Committee.
> > 
> > As you would understand, building a successful Open Source community
> > involves a significant amount of mutual respect, and mutual recognition
> > of team members. Community members typically show respect by giving
> > extra weight to the opinion of founders, and founders often show respect
> > and trust of their community by sharing project governance.
> > 
> > If you are a good open source leader, and it appears you must be, there
> > is little risk you will loose your current influence on the project. Its
> > also unlikely there will be an unresolvable difference between yourself
> > and the community. But if there is, and the project forks, whether you
> > are head of the official PSC or the new rouge PSC will have little
> > impact on the final result.
> > 
> > So please do consider adopting a shared PSC governance model.
> > 
> > If you do wish to go ahead with a "benevolent dictator" model, I agree
> > with Andrea's that we should put the question to OSGeo Charter members
> > to vote, as it would be a new direction for OSGeo.
> > 
> > Warm regards, Cameron
> > 
> > On 3/05/2016 5:46 pm, Peter Baumann wrote:
> >> interesting discussion, with valuable thoughts!
> >> 
> >> True, micro management is not the case in rasdaman - on the contrary, we
> >> are most happy about helping hands, and are constantly thinking about
> >> opportunities for process improvements. Personally, I am so much
> >> overloaded that I enjoy handing over tasks, and yes: with appropriate
> >> responsibility; in practice that means that we openly discuss pros and
> >> cons with myself being "primus inter pares" (first among equals). I
> >> have not received any complaint over the years that anybody would not
> >> get heard appropriately. Regularly I just need to lean back
> >> (metaphorically) and await the outcome of the discussion of the
> >> experienced developers, and add my nodding to the group consensus.
> >> 
> >> We regularly try to involve the community in such design and
> >> implementation discussions (and I am urging devers to do that), but
> >> feedback invariably was minimal. Which I see as a sign of trust when
> >> looking at the download figures at www.rasdaman.org.
> >> 
> >> It may be worth noting that we have installed mechanisms for openly
> >> commenting and voting on patches; ever clicked on the Review URL in the
> >> Patch Manager?
> >> 
> >> Actually, it is more about deciding not by election, but by
> >> qualification. Concepts and code of rasdaman are extraordinarily
> >> complex; large and experienced companies like Oracle, Teradata, and
> >> ESRI have tried to copy rasdaman, and failed. 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the Paris code sprint go

[Even Rouault]

Jonathan,

if you feel OSGeo should have an environmental policy, you could certainly 
propose one for consideration by the larger community, and then volunteer to 
champion to make it adopted, and enforce it afterwards.

Even

> 
> 
>  On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 15:01:19 + Daniel
> Morissettedmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote 
> 
> On 2016-03-08 8:37 AM, Jonathan Moules wrote:
> 
>  Looking at the participant list, that Paris code-sprint entailed at
>  least 10 transatlantic flights and probably at least that many
>  short-haul (pan-Europe) flights too (which have higher emissions
>  profiles per passenger mile). I don't doubt a lot of useful work was
>  done, but was the quantity and quality of the work so much superior to
>  the normal-work-from-home/office option that it was worth the
>  considerable extra pollution that the sprint generated?
> 
>  This is obviously not something that can be easily quantified
> (although  I'm sure a few PhD's are trying), but I believe it should
> be considered  when these sorts of events are sponsored. Otherwise you
> can easily end  up with a Tragedy of the Commons situation.
>  A quick search doesn't find any sort of
>  ethical/green/social-responsibility policy on OSGeo's pages...
> 
> 
> 
> Um... very good point. On that note, I wonder if we should consider
> canceling the international FOSS4G which has an even worse impact since
> we're talking of hundreds of useless flights only to get people to watch
> a couple of conferences and share their latest project news.
> 
> Conferences and meetings could be streamed and delivered using hangouts
> after all. Why did we not think of that before?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] how did the paris code sprint go

[Even Rouault]

Le dimanche 06 mars 2016 20:59:16, Jody Garnett a écrit :
> Taking this out to a seperate email thread - several projects had a plan
> going in, how did it go?
> 
>- PostGIS Agenda
>
>- SFCGAL Agenda
>
>- OTB Agenda
>
>- GDAL Agenda
>
>- GRASS GIS Agenda
>
>- MapServer Agenda
>
>- Point Cloud Agenda
>   
> 
> - iTowns Agenda
>
> 
> Oliver has gathered blog posts and feedback
>  from
> participants on the wiki.

I've linked my report in it :
http://erouault.blogspot.fr/2016/03/paris-osgeo-code-sprint-2016-debrief.html

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

[Even Rouault]

Le lundi 22 février 2016 08:07:53, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) a écrit :
> Venka and All,
> 
> For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai, I am
> not a fan of code sprints. Show me any lasting results of those events.

Patrick,

This might be read as a bit a provocative statement to those who have attended 
such events or about to attend them, especially for projects that have proven 
records of existing since 10, 20 or 30 years ;-)
Take the example of the recent GeoServer code sprint where they managed to 
upgrade one of their components which hadn't been possible in previous 
isolated / non-coordinated attempts.
Speaking more personally, the Vienna Code Sprint in 2013 was the kick-off for 
one of the main change that lead to GDAL 2.0 (even if I ended up throwing away 
my insane initial design).
It is also/essentially the opportunity to build or strengthen intra-project 
team spirit, which can be difficult through the usual digital communication 
channels used by teams spread across the world. Or tackle tasks that can be 
neglected otherwise (documentation). I've also experimented many cross-project 
discussions and help, which would be difficult to do in a remote way (email 
exchanges can be tedious when interaction is needed, voice/video meetings 
difficult to plan due to time zone differences...)
So of course one week per itself is small to see big accomplishments, but it 
can be seen as a refuelling step on the long way of project roadmaps.

Even

> As
> a former High School science teacher (almost 30 years ago), I sensed that
> real character development (and results) came from more serious
> application of efforts, the kind of project-based efforts that get
> accomplished by small teams over academic quarters or semesters of time.
> 
> This is some of the thinking that went into designing the Europa Challenge
> that NASA runs in concert with Politecnico di Milano at Como. We certainly
> welcome any support our young champions might benefit from that the OSGEO
> Foundation might wish to provide.
> 
> Whatever process there is for making the request, we would like to apply
> please.
> 
> -Patrick
>  (650) 604-5656 (office)
>  (650) 269-2788 (cell)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
> Venkatesh Raghavan Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:25 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions; OSGeo Board
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I agree with you. My suggestion to spread out the code sprint was only to
> ensure that the community has some idea some idea when the sprint could be
> expected and when/how to request OSGeo Foundation for support.
> 
> I would like to see more an more code sprints (also incubation sprints
> etc.) being organized in the future being as and when the community finds
> it necessary.
> 
> I think, we only need to ensure that the procedure to request for support
> and guidelines to be followed are know to everyone in our community.
> 
> Best
> 
> Venka
> 
> On 2/22/2016 3:07 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
> > All,
> > 
> > I don't think there is a reason to have code sprints coordinate their
> > times to spread them out over the year. They should run when they need
> > to run. We don't have a cash flow issue that would require this.
> > 
> > And for the Paris Code Sprint, although a request was made, it does
> > not appear at this time that it will be needed with the carryover
> > funding and with the sponsorships.
> > 
> > I firmly agree that Code Sprints are one of the more important things
> > that the foundation does and if there are worthy candidates for
> > funding, then I, for one, would like to see our budget expand to cover
> > these. What we have now is just an expectation based on past support,
> > but if new ones come along that meet our guidelines, I don't see a
> > reason not to support them no matter the time period or if they exceed
> > our current budget.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > Michael Smith
> > OSGeo Foundation Treasurer
> > treasu...@osgeo.org
> > 
> > From:  Board  on behalf of Venkatesh
> > Raghavan 
> > Date:  Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 6:35 PM
> > To:  OSGeo Discussions , OSGeo Board
> > 
> > Subject:  Re: [Board] Funding code Sprints
> > 
> >> Dear All,
> >> 
> >>   Considering OSGeo budget for 2016, I think, it could be
> >>   possible to support 3 or 4 Code Sprints at similar
> >>   sponsorship levels for each sprint as in the past.
> >>   
> >>   I would like to propose to have code spread across three or four
> >>   periods across the year e.g Jan-March, April-June, July-Sept, Oct-Dec
> >>   and have RFP's for code sprints just like we have for our annual
> >>   conference.
> >>   
> >>   OSGeo Code Sprint in Paris starting from today (22 Feb., 2016),
> >> 
> >> fits very well
> >> 
> >>   for the  first quarter of 2016. I see 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo4W maintenance activities

[Even Rouault]

> Early after I joined there was still Frank Warmerdam who did a lot - but
> that got less over time.  Matt Wilkie did some work on python.  And Martin
> Landa took over GRASS.  Except for some people on-and-off that's about it
> - the rest mostly ended up here.

Jürgen,

Perhaps for example for GDAL packaging, I could try to see if there's someone 
volunteering in the community to look after that one. Would be cool to have a 
gdal-dev packge for example. I guess there might be some optional drivers for 
which plugins aren't yet packages

But looking at https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/, it is not clear where (if I 
were that volunteer) to start with. For example is there some VM with 
compilers pre-installed and build recipes of existing packages ?
I guess https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/PackagingInstructions could benefit 
from a step-by-step howto demonstrating howto create a new version.
Hum actually I see that there are -src.tar.bz2 packages for GDAL at 
http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/x86_64/release/gdal/ , but I cannot find the 
equivalent for QGIS at http://download.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/x86_64/release/qgis/

I was wondering how the automated build of QGIS was managed. There must be a 
server somewhere that does the builds and uploads them ?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo/LocationTech relationship

[Even Rouault]

Andrea,

> 
> It is the viral nature of the GPL & AGPL

Just as an aside: as for most people a "virus" is something not very 
positively connoted, I'd suggest rather refering to the reciprocal or share 
alike nature of the license to better describe its intent in a way that 
doesn't assume bad intentions from people selecting it as the license for 
their project.

Cheers,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo Elections 2015] Nomination for Didier Richard

[Even Rouault]

On Wednesday 19 August 2015 16:09:48 Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
 Forwarding Didier Richard nomination by Vincent Picavet.

I support this nomination and would add that Didier is also a committer to 
GDAL and proj.4

Best regards,

Even

 
 Best regards,
 Vasile
 
 On 8/17/15 7:07 PM, Vincent Picavet wrote:
  Hi dear CRO,
  
  I would like to nominate the following persons for OSGeo Charter members :
  
  Didier Richard.
  Didier has been a supporter of OpenSource software for Geomatics for
  long. He works at IGN and promotes openness and free software internally
  and extrenally. He managed the French Geoportal project, which is based
  on opensource software and has a big PostGIS backend.
  
  Vincent
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Kicking off Elections 2015 process

[Even Rouault]

Hi,

I'm looking at the survey too and feel a bit the same as Peter. The first 
question seems to suggest transforming current Charter membership into regular 
membership, but following questions seem to leave open the possibility for the 
2 kinds of membership.

Perhaps the first question should be turned into the following choices
- should there be a regular membership only ?
- should there be a charter membership only ?
- should there be both ?

and then questions to define the rights, duties and access conditions for each 
membership category.

Anyway thanks for your efforts to capture opinions. This isn't an easy 
exercice. Yes/no referendum are more common and even in that case, it seems 
that the people asking the question cannot always properly interpret the 
result ;-)

Even


 Hi Vasile  all,
 
 having tried to fill in the questionnaire I see one main issue: It seems
 like OSGeo Charter membership = OSGeo membership.
 Not sure it is intended, as my feeling (which may be wrong) is that a
 Charter member is more like an advisory board member whereas general
 membership is where all the enthusiasts come together. Both make sense, but
 IMHO should be differentiated in the questions.
 
 my 2 cents, acting as Guinean Pig ;-)
 Peter
 
 On 2015-07-30 15:46, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
  Thanks everyone for feedback. I did my best to incorporate your
  suggestions in the survey. The Charter members will receive e-mail
  invitations to fill the survey in the following minutes. If you are a
  charter member and the invitation fail to reach your inbox in the next
  couple of hours, please get in touch with me privately.
  
  Regards,
  Vasile
  CRO 2015
  
  On 7/27/15 3:26 PM, Vasile Craciunescu wrote:
  Dear all,
  
  Please accept my apologies for all the delays related to this survey.
  
  You can all check the actual structure of the survey at
  
  https://survey.des.ucdavis.edu/osgeo/index.php/survey/index/sid/879386/ne
  wtest/Y/lang/en
  
  
  
  *Please do not execute the survey!* Separate invitations will be sent to
  all our charter members as soon as we agree with the survey structure.
  
  I have tried to include help text, comments and references for all the
  important question, especially the one related to the charter member
  election mechanism - this part may look a little bit bureaucratic, any
  suggestions fore improvement more than welcome. A simple application was
  created to allow you to understand the impact of the selected formula
  and threshold using the last year votes. You can access the application
  at
  
  http://geo-spatial.org/charter2014-sim/
  
  A link was included in the survey too.
  
  Any comments, requests for change or to include additional questions are
  welcome. Please respond ASAP as the time is running fast.
  
  Best,
  Vasile
  
  OSGeo 2015 CRO
  
  On 7/26/15 8:36 PM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
  So is there a proposal for the survey questions already somewhere?
  
  Bart
  
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

[Even Rouault]

Le mercredi 24 juin 2015 13:29:43, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting 
OSGeo.nl a écrit :
 In my opinion as well there is not a problem, especially since both
 pictures are used within a certain context. However, I realize I'm looking
 through a Western-european, liberal cultural perspective.
 
 Perhaps someone from for instance the Senegal local OSGeo chapter can
 comment on this from a different cultural point of view?
 

This is tricky. I'm afraid that If you take the lowest common denominator of 
all cultures of the world, you will be able to do little (what is polite in a 
culture might be rude in another one, and vice versa). I think that people 
going to a foreign country should be ready to face things that might not be 
accepted in their own country/culture and deal with it. The only clear red 
line is that you can never force someone from doing something he doesn't want 
to.

There can also have marketing considerations into account. If one wants to 
target an audience from a certain culture, then adjusting your way of behaving 
to it might be a good choice (but might deter others...)

That said, I'm a bit like Pedro-Juan when looking at the slides. Not shoked, 
but wondering why this painting ? (is it exhibited in Seoul?), why this group 
of women ? when seeing them, because not familiar enough with Seoul/South 
Korea

Looking further in the slides I can also see pictures of beverages, some of 
them I suspect might contain alcohool. I guess that could make some people 
unconfortable too...

In the code of conduct, it is mentionned assume good intentions, so I'd say 
let's do it for the LOC and let them do their job in peace.

Even

 
 Regards,
 
 Gert-Jan
 
 
 
 
 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
 [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Peter Baumann Verzonden:
 woensdag 24 juni 2015 13:12
 Aan: Jeroen Ticheler; Sanghee Shin
 CC: OSGeo Discussions; Conference Dev
 Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case
 
 +1
 -Peter
 
 On 06/24/15 13:01, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
  Dear Sanghee,
  
  In my opinion these are perfectly fine. But could you please remove a
  couple of other pictures picturing OSGeo developers (male dominated,
  generalizing men as nerds)?
  
  ;-) Joking apart, I’ve not been in favor of the CoC in the first place. I
  think it creates more unwanted side effects (like this request to remove
  art or remove single sex pictures) than that it prevents a person with
  bad intentions to refrain from them. A plan for the LOC on how to deal
  with a person acting offensively makes more sense to me. I trust our
  community members are able to behave as sensitive and sensible people
  that can auto-regulate issues like this in the same way we collaborate
  in FOSS projects.
  
  The CoC has been established, not sure if it was adopted by the OSGeo
  board? If it was, we have to deal with it, so this discussion may be
  useful indeed. Otherwise, I vote for removing the CoC again and work
  towards a plan for LOC’s to deal with offensive behavior towards others.
  
  Cheers,
  Jeroen
  
  On 24 jun. 2015, at 12:22, Sanghee Shin shs...@gaia3d.com wrote:
  
  Dear All,
  
  It’s now time to apply OSGeo CoC(Code of Conduct)[0] in real case.
  
  I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation 7 Reasons why
  you should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of
  FOSS4G Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to
  say, slide #6 (nude female in painting) and slide #20 (row of female
  models) are those controversial ones.
  
  I refused this asking immediately because I don’t believe my
  presentation breach the OSGeo CoC and I don’t agree with that view.
  
  However since this is not the first time asking me to remove those
  slides from my presentation and OSGeo now have CoC, I think we’d better
  discuss this issue more openly to reach conclusions.
  
  I might be wrong and I’d like to hear other people’s opinion on this
  from all around the world. Also I expect Conference Committee’s input
  as well, because this is the matter of OSGeo conference.
  
  I’m open to remove/amend/keep those slides after hearing other people’s
  opinions on this. Also I believe it’ll be a great chance for OSGeo to
  learn how to apply CoC in real cases.
  
  *Sidenote for defending myself:
  - Slide #6 is the part of Salvador Dali’s well known painting named
  “Lincoln in Dalivision”[2]
  - Slide #20 is the picture of famous girl group, Girls’
  Generation(SNSD)[3], which I believe as symbolic icon of wide spread of
  Korean culture(K-Culture) in/around Asia.
  
  All the best,
  
  Sanghee
  
  [0]http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct
  [1]http://2015.foss4g.org
  [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_in_Dalivision
  [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls%27_Generation
  ---
  Sanghee Shin, Chair of FOSS4G 2015 Seoul Toward Diversity! FOSS4G
  Bigbang from Seoul!
  http://2015.foss4g.org
  

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] EXI with XML data streams

[Even Rouault]

Le lundi 30 mars 2015 16:47:26, Newcomb, Doug a écrit :
 Hi Folks,
 Sitting in on a standards meeting and just heard about EXI, Efficeint XML
 Interchange
 http://www.w3.org/XML/EXI/.  It seems that this would be useful for
 reducing bandwidth requirements for XML data streams such as WFS.  Has
 anyone looked at that?

Doug,

I don't know about EXI, but most web servers should already support GZip 
compression out of the box, with no impact on WFS clientserver code, so IMHO, 
EXI should offer significant compression ratio over GZip-compressed XML to 
really be an incentive to be adopted by both WFS client  servers. WFS servers 
also often the possibility of alternate outputFormat to GML, such as zipped 
shapefile, etc..

Even

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

[Even Rouault]

Hi Cameron,

 It is difficult for OSGeo to stop a vendor from promoting their product,
 or promoting a specific lock in strategy.

Of course. That was exactly my point.

 
 But we can:
 * Support the OGC in developing an OGC standard for LiDAR. Once a
 standard is in place, there is a much stronger reason to make use of
 that Open Standard. In particular, many national government agencies
 have policies which promote standards over proprietary interfaces.

With my mostly uninformed eyes in that topic, I don't know if OGC is the most 
relevant organization in that matter. It seems that the ASPRS would be a more 
natural host as it has already published the spec of the (uncompressed) LAS 
format:
http://www.asprs.org/Committee-General/LASer-LAS-File-Format-Exchange-
Activities.html

I'm not sure about the LASzip format however, the compressed one, which is the 
one that ESRI has cloned into zLAS. I skimmed through http://www.laszip.org/ 
and couldn't find a reference to something more formal than LGPL code that 
implements it ;-)

 
 * Provide a position statement (as has been suggested) which explains
 technically the pros and cons of both the proprietary and open LiDAR
 interface.

There are at least a few persons in the OSGeo community that have direct 
interest in LiDAR and are likely reading this thread. Perhaps some discussions 
are already happening behind the scene ?

 
 Regarding OGC GeoPackage standard:
 * I would hope that OGC's list of standards supported has a tick for
 read only, and tick for read/write support, so consumers can tell the
 difference.

Currently there's no finalized conformance test suite available for GeoPackage 
to test implementations, so there's no official reference implementation or 
conformant implementations. I guess the conformance test suite would be 
similar to the KML one, in that you submit a file, and it is validated. So it 
proves that you can write a conformant file. Funnily, read-only 
implementations could not get the stamp!

 * It is probably not appropriate for OSGeo as an organisation to
 directly point out ESRI's lack of support for GeoPackage write capability.

I agree. The best marketing, if needed, would be to point at our 
implementations that do support write capability.

 * However, it is totally appropriate for individuals and news agencies
 to write about it.
 
 On 2/03/2015 9:37 pm, Even Rouault wrote:
  Stefan,
  
  That a proprietary vendor decides not to implement a standard in its
  products is mainly its problem (as well as the one of its customers).
  Especially as they are plenty of FOSS alternatives that implement the
  standard! So I'd say it is a selling point for FOSS.
  
  The annoying thing here is that a proprietary vendor aggressively pushes
  his *closed* format and tries to undermine an open format implemented by
  FOSS. So it really harms the FOSS community. In that matter, the
  Geoservices REST API episode would have been less critical as the
  protocol had been at least opened...
  
  Even
  
  Dear all, dear OSGeo Board
  
  While supporting this LAS related initiative I'd like to draw your
  attention to a potentially similar use case which is at least of same
  relevance:
  
  In April 2014 Esri officially announced support for  GeoPackage 
  vector in version 10.2.2 and raster in 10.3:
  http://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2014/04/14/support-for-ogc-geopackages
  -in -arcgis/ (Support for OGC GeoPackage in ArcGIS)
  
  Now Esri support confirmed that in ArcgIS Desktop 10.3 only read-only
  access is possible. So, there's still no write nor edit capability
  (and no ArcGIS Server no Runtime) despite this FAQ:
  http://support.esri.com/en/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/42567
  (What versions of the OGC GeoPackage standard are supported?)
  
  I'm still looking for an answer for an Enhancement Request but I'm
  really concerned about Esri's commitment to (promised OGC) standards.
  
  Yours, S.
  
  2015-03-01 22:38 GMT+01:00 Suchith Anand 
suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk:
  Colleagues,
  
  I see these kind of developments also directly affecting Open
  Principles in Geo Education that Geo for All , OSGeo, ICA all stand
  for and are working together in our common mission of making
  geospatial education and opportunities accessible to all.
  
  Geo for All will take a stand on this as it not only affects our
  Academic colleagues and students working in LIDAR research and teaching
  but will have long term impacts on Open Principles in Geo Education. We
  will work to put our ideas in the Open Letter from OSGeo explaining
  this.
  
  Geo for All started from very humble beginnings and this was only
  possible because academic colleagues globally came together to change
  the status of Geo education. For decades even though there was great
  progress in GIS technologies, educational opportunities esp. in
  developing and poor countries were very small. This is now changing
  dramatically thanks to the efforts of our

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] [Board] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

[Even Rouault]

Stefan,

That a proprietary vendor decides not to implement a standard in its products 
is mainly its problem (as well as the one of its customers). Especially as 
they are plenty of FOSS alternatives that implement the standard! So I'd say 
it is a selling point for FOSS.

The annoying thing here is that a proprietary vendor aggressively pushes his 
*closed* format and tries to undermine an open format implemented by FOSS. So 
it really harms the FOSS community. In that matter, the Geoservices REST API 
episode would have been less critical as the protocol had been at least 
opened...

Even

 Dear all, dear OSGeo Board
 
 While supporting this LAS related initiative I'd like to draw your
 attention to a potentially similar use case which is at least of same
 relevance:
 
 In April 2014 Esri officially announced support for  GeoPackage 
 vector in version 10.2.2 and raster in 10.3:
 http://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2014/04/14/support-for-ogc-geopackages-in
 -arcgis/ (Support for OGC GeoPackage in ArcGIS)
 
 Now Esri support confirmed that in ArcgIS Desktop 10.3 only read-only
 access is possible. So, there's still no write nor edit capability
 (and no ArcGIS Server no Runtime) despite this FAQ:
 http://support.esri.com/en/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/42567
 (What versions of the OGC GeoPackage standard are supported?)
 
 I'm still looking for an answer for an Enhancement Request but I'm
 really concerned about Esri's commitment to (promised OGC) standards.
 
 Yours, S.
 
 2015-03-01 22:38 GMT+01:00 Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk:
  Colleagues,
  
  I see these kind of developments also directly affecting Open Principles
  in Geo Education that Geo for All , OSGeo, ICA all stand for and are
  working together in our common mission of making geospatial education
  and opportunities accessible to all.
  
  Geo for All will take a stand on this as it not only affects our
  Academic colleagues and students working in LIDAR research and teaching
  but will have long term impacts on Open Principles in Geo Education. We
  will work to put our ideas in the Open Letter from OSGeo explaining
  this.
  
  Geo for All started from very humble beginnings and this was only
  possible because academic colleagues globally came together to change
  the status of Geo education. For decades even though there was great
  progress in GIS technologies, educational opportunities esp. in
  developing and poor countries were very small. This is now changing
  dramatically thanks to the efforts of our colleagues from Nepal to
  Uruguay.
  
  We got excellent support from all sectors (universities, industry ,
  governments etc) but to my surprise ESRI was the only proprietary vendor
  who was trying  to undermine this initiative indirectly from the very
  start. I still cannot understand why this particular vendor wants to do
  that. I really hope the proprietors of this company will also support
  Open Principles in Geo Education (not just telling externally on
  Openness but actually practicing this). We want to have good relations
  with everyone in the Geospatial domain , so our hand of friendship is
  always open. So please let us all work together.
  
  Hardware costs are (and will) keep coming down, internet access is
  increasing (and will keep  increasing)  even in developing countries and
  with free and open source software, even poor schools in developing
  countries are getting small computer labs established ( i know this from
  my experience in India) .The convergence of all these factors with a
  great team of dedicated people is changing geoeducation forever.
  
  I strongly believe access of good quality education is everyones
  birthright and now we are for first time in history getting opportunity
  to make this possible. We will not accept putting artificial barriers
  like high cost proprietary software (which quite frankly they won't be
  able to even think of affording) which will continue denying quality
  education opportunities for millions of students globally (both in
  developed and developing countries).
  
  So why should i care? Because i learned one of the most important lessons
  in my life in my childhood from my grandmother (who though did not get
  the opportunity of proper education herself taught me the importance
  of the values of  sharing and about  Vasudeva Kudumbam which means We
  all belong to one large Universal family and  Geo for All is for my
  Universal family and i will do everything in my abilities to make sure
  education opportunities are open to all.
  
  Best wishes,
  
  Suchith
  
  
  From: ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org
  [ica-osgeo-labs-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
  [cameron.shor...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 7:37 PM
  To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); Paul Ramsey; Carl Reed
  Cc: P Kishor; Scott Simmons; ica-osgeo-l...@lists.osgeo.org
  Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GSoC 2015 - istSOS ideas

[Even Rouault]

Le mercredi 18 février 2015 15:14:07, Massimiliano Cannata a écrit :
 Dear Margherita,
 as required by OSGeo at the page
 http://sourceforge.net/p/istsos/wiki/GSoC%20ideas%202015/
 you can find 3 ideas for GSoC 2015 participation of istSOS within the OSGeo
 umbrella.
 
 Please let me know if further steps are required.

And for the GDAL project:
http://trac.osgeo.org/gdal/wiki/SummerOfCode

 
 Ciao,
 Maxi

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Election 2014 detailed results

[Even Rouault]

Jorge,

thanks for the openness effort.

Small remark on the presentation of results: regarding vote for Board of 
Directors, if I recall well, we had to select 5 names, but that didn't imply 
that we voted No for the remaining 2 candidates. So I think that just the 
Yes column is meaningfull for that vote, and the ranking it leads to.

Best regards,

Even

Le dimanche 19 octobre 2014 21:56:02, Jorge Sanz a écrit :
 Hi all
 
 As approved by the September board meeting[1], detailed results for
 Charter Members and Board of Directors elections have been published
 at the wiki[2] the  I hope these numbers help to improve the process
 next year.
 
 Cheers
 
 [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-09-13
 [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2014_detailed_results

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Open Source Users Charter

[Even Rouault]

Selon Steven Feldman shfeld...@gmail.com:

 Daniel

 If we get to a version that the community broadly supports can it go on the
 OSGeo wiki? I thought anyone could (just about) could post on the wiki and
 others can amend or even delete.

 Does the appearance of something on the wiki mean that it is official OSGeo
 policy? If so what is the process for making such policy, a board vote?

 I hope that my post gets enough feedback to indicate whether there is
 community interest in the idea

Perhaps put a visible text at the top of the page stating that the document is
under discussion and not yet an official OSGeo policy should be sufficient ?

I agree with Cameron that your text covers well the how to be a good Open
Source users, and perhaps the why, that is addressed by the Good practice
for organisations using OSGeo software paragraph, could be more expanded, but
that's not easy. But I think that OSGeo is not fundamentaly different from other
open source organizations, so perhaps we could reuse good ideas found elsewhere
?

Even

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 On 14 Jul 2014, at 22:59, board-requ...@lists.osgeo.org wrote:

  From: Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com
  Subject: Re: [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Users Charter
  Date: 14 July 2014 20:50:31 BST
  To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
  Cc: OSGeo-Board bo...@lists.osgeo.org
 
 
  I like your article too. Not sure if/how we could make this an official
 OSGeo statement, but I'm definitely a big +1 on seeing more blog articles
 like this!
 
  Daniel




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Open Source Users Charter

[Even Rouault]

Steven,

I'm very supportive of your thoughts and think it could be adopted as an 
official OSGeo statement. Well done.

If I can make a suggestion, perhaps the Donate picture should show banknotes 
rather than coins ;-)

Even

 A couple of months back I asked whether their was any contribution guidance
 that we offered to organisations using OSGeo software. Apart from Jody’s
 reply there wasn’t any response. I think we are missing an opportunity to
 encourage and help user organisations to contribute time and/or funding to
 OSGeo and it’s projects, so I have written this blog post
 http://knowwhereconsulting.co.uk/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-free-lunch/
 which sets out some thoughts on Good practice for organisations using
 OSGeo software”. Hopefully it will prompt some discussion. I have posted
 on my blog as I didn’t feel that I should post something as speculative as
 this on the wiki without community endorsement, whenever people want we
 can move a version to the wiki. Feel free to comment on this mail thread
 or on the blog. 
 Steven Feldman
 
 On 5 May 2014, at 04:57, Jody Garnett jody.garn...@gmail.com wrote:
  You may like to at what Arnulf has been doing towards certification.
  Endorsing is a trickery game indeed.
  
  For GeoServer we simply list organizations, noting what kind of work each
  is known for ( but not offering an endorsement).
  
  http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/Commercial+Support
  
  On Sunday, May 4, 2014, Steven Feldman shfeld...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thanks Jody
  
  I would like to have a document or web link to point at as the start of a
  conversation with an organisation. It can’t be mandatory but we might
  want to consider community endorsement of organisations which adopt the
  charter or 'social contract'
  
  I’ll start a wiki page with a few thoughts and open it up for others to
  contribute their views __
  Steven
  
  On 2 May 2014, at 12:14, Jody Garnett jody.garn...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think you are leaning towards the social contract associated with
  being part of a community.
  
  For organisations that do not wish to participate, that is fine.
  Participation is one way of minimising the risks associated with the
  use of open source software, as long as they are making that decision
  with a decent understanding that is fine.
  
  The way I figure it they will get burned a few times before taking
  interesting in participation :) But yeah if you are talking to managers
  speak in terms of risk and change control, not community/participation
  - know your audience.
  
  I think I had a rant about the social contact last year, it produced one
  more tester of GeoServer - making the process of issuing release
  candidates suspect.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

[Even Rouault]

Selon Bart van den Eijnden bart...@osgis.nl:

 Hey Peter,

 so what would be your suggestions to make the process more of the 4 bullet
 points you mentioned?

Not answering on behalf of Peter, but a potential idea to solve those issues
would be to combine Cameron proposal of a yes/no vote on each nominee + allow
people to self-nominate them (as you do in political elections). That should
help solving the self-sustaining oligarchy
We could add a rule that a self-nominee must at least be seconded by at least X
charter member(s). Such a rule would not particuarly shoking to avoid unrelevant
candidates (e.g. in France to be candidate to the presidential election you must
have at least support from at least 500 already elected persons : mayors,
deputies, etc... But such a rule is regularly contested by small candidates.)
Or we could not make it a rule, but allow charter members to express their
support for the candidature of a self-nominee.

At least, this would help solving the following 2 problems of our current
process :
- people that are excluded because noone thought of nominating them
- people that are excluded because of the limited number of new members
(although that has not been a practical problem the last 2 years since all
nominees have been accepted)

I think OSGeo already works in an open and transparent way. The point of
democracy is perhaps to be better adressed, but there is a subtle balance to
find between oligarchy and a too big dilution of the values. In a democracy you
always have rules to define who can be elected and who can vote.

Even


 Best regards,
 Bart

 On 30 Jun 2014, at 09:24, Peter Baumann p.baum...@jacobs-university.de
 wrote:

  Cameron  all,
 
  a lot of serious, involved work is going on on this thread; however, some
 core issues which I tried to phrase, but Steven (Feldman) expressed much
 crisper, still remain unaddressed by the currently voted proposal:
  Inclusiveness
  Democracy
  Growth
  Openness
  The proposal as it stands is in high danger of establishing a
 self-sustaining oligarchy.
 
  I am concerned that a body that claims to have international impact
 (through project branding) high responsibility must be exercised in terms of
 transparency, openness, and democratic principles.
 
  -Peter
 
 
 
  On 06/29/2014 10:26 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
  OSGeo board,
  In the interests of making a decision such that Jorge Salinas (our CRO)
 can move forward, I propose the following process be followed for voting new
 charter members in 2014:
 
  1. Charter member to nominate potential new charter member(s) (as before).
 
  2. Charter members then vote (in/out) nominated charter members. This will
 be different to prior years, as we previously voted in a fixed number of
 members for a larger selection pool. (eg vote in 20 people from a list of
 30). For this year, I propose we have a Yes/No vote. Ie, if we have a list
 of 30 candidates, we will ask all charter members to vote Yes or No against
 each candidate. Each candidate with greater than 50% of YES votes will be
 included as new charter members.
 
  3. Charter members would be guided to select candidates who fit the
 Positive Attributes for Charter Members as defined here:
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process#Positive_Attributes
 
  4. There will be no limit to the number of new charter members who can be
 selected. This will require an update of
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Membership_Process
 
  5. Note: This vote is being put to the board and not to charter members as
 I don't wish to complicate this decision by adding a 2nd (positive) idea for
 change. We can address getting charter members to vote on issues as a
 separate motion.
 
  Board members, can you please all vote on above:
 
  +1 Cameron
 
 
 
  On 25/06/2014 9:31 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:
  Following the community discussion, I further researched OSGeo's
 foundation documents, (in retrospect I should have done this earlier).
 
  Of particular relevance to current discussion is our ByLaws:
 
  http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/incorporation/bylaws.html
  Section 7.1. Admission of [Charter] Members. An initial group of up to
 forty-five (45) persons shall be admitted as the initial [charter] members of
 the corporation upon the affirmative vote of the Board of Directors of the
 corporation. Thereafter, to be eligible for [charter] membership, a person
 must be nominated by an existing [charter] member of the corporation pursuant
 to a written document in such form as shall be adopted by the Board of
 Directors from time to time. The nomination must be included in a notice to
 the [charter] members at least ten (10) days in advance of the meeting at
 which the [charter] members will vote on the applicant’s admission. Proposed
 [charter] members shall be admitted upon the affirmative vote of the members
 of the corporation.
 
  This section implies that the proposal below of automatically accepting
 Recognised OSGeo Community Leaders is 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

[Even Rouault]

Hi,

Interesting topic that raises quite a few questions.

I think that all people who have commented in that thread have not necessarily
agreed if membership fees would be something in addition to the nomination and
election processs, or if it would replace it.

If we switch to a paid membership, one would likely have to identify the
benefits brought by being a member. Voting rights for the board would probably
not a big enough benefit. In the AAG example quoted by Paul, there are several
benefits associated: access to journals, reduced prices to
publications/meetings, etc... That would mean that there is a commitment of
OSGeo to provide the advertized benefits, and thus the question on how to
guarantee this commitment would arise : volunteers effort, or paid
staff/contractors ?
Interestingly one of the benefit of AAG membership is access to AAG specialty
groups whose equivalent in OSGeo would probably be our mailing lists. So would
we want to restrict access to those to non members ? Mateusz also mentionned
that bills have to be paid to maintain some OSGeo servers, like svn. Would we
want to restrict access to those servers only to the folks who have paid the
membership fee ? Probably not.

We have only mentionned individual members, but would we want to extend to
corportate members as well ?

From my perspective, OSGeo Charter membership is a recognition for the
accomplishments of an individual to support OSGeo values and missions, and thus
gets a right to define its steering through board election. Perhaps we at a
community sometimes fail to welcome people who would deserve it, because they
are a bit outside of our usual networks to be nominated (or because people are
not confortable enough to do public nominations, perhaps for language or
cultural reasons), or because we reach the yearly quota for new members. That's
certainly a pitty if folks feel excluded whereas I think we generally try to be
rather inclusive.

One thing to keep in mind is that if we translate into money the value of the
accomplishments of OSGeo Charter members, I'm pretty sure that in 99.99% of the
cases that translates to much more than USD 70. You can probably add one or two
zeros to that figure. So asking them for a fee, in addition to their other forms
of contribution, would seem a bit awkward, although I can understand that
contribution in term of money rather than time is sometimes more useful. So I
wouldn't object to paying a membership fee.

But IMHO the main question is : do we need membership fees to sustain OSGeo ?
Aren't surplus funds generated by FOSS4G sufficient for that (although I can
understand that Howard's fear that FOSS4G organization by volunteers might not
be a sustainable model) ? Or perhaps we would need more funds to be able to do
more things ?

OSGeo is perhaps rather different from other organizations in the geomatics
field in the way it manages its membership, but is it more a strength or a
weakness ?

Even
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Standards] Open Letter to state concerns about Geoservices REST API

[Even Rouault]

Le mercredi 08 mai 2013 00:54:49, Cameron Shorter a écrit :
 I agree with Jeroen's suggestion that we should write an Open Letter to
 the OGC collating our concern.
 
 I've started a wiki page to collate this here:
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API#Open_Letter_to_OGC_and_voti
 ng_members

Hi Cameron,

I've added some comments in the Concern chapters. Feel free to rephrase 
them, correct wording/syntax, etc.. I've also added a Methodological 
concerns paragraph, since I didn't know where to place some comments (not 
sure about the extent of political)

Regards,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Would you be concerned if the GeoServices REST API became an OGC standard?

[Even Rouault]

Le dimanche 05 mai 2013 01:05:22, Adrian Custer a écrit :
 On 5/4/13 6:06 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
  Thanks for the background Adrian, do we know of any other parties with
  implementation plans? --
  Jody Garnett
 
 The known implementations are listed in the document responding to the
 'no' vote. I won't list them here 'till I hear back on the status of
 these documents as public ( f*^(ing Imaginary Property Rules that won't
 die).
 
 However, you'll be glad to know that GDAL is listed as an implementation
 in the Processing GeoServices JSON since it can read the JSON file
 returned from one of the services!

Yeah, I somehow remember having implemented this in the OGR GeoJSON driver. 
But this should not mean in any way that this an official endorsement from the 
GDAL project for the GeoServices REST API to become an OGC standard. As you 
know, GDAL core business is to read a lot of stuff that aren't standard in any 
way, sometimes reversed engineered, sometimes unfortunately completely closed 
by using proprietary external libraries. This is a pragmatic approach, not an 
ideological one.

 
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Would you be concerned if the GeoServices REST API became an OGC standard?

[Even Rouault]

 Note that Cameron was either unclear or incorrect in his presentation of
 where the standard now stands.
* The document was released for public comment. (see above)
* A response to all the comments was issued. (however incomplete)

Adrian,

Do you have by chance a link to the response to comments ? I did write 
comments on the documents during the public comment period, but didn't 
remember seeing any response posted on the OGC list where I posted my 
comments...

Best regards,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Remove Coordinate Information using GDAL Translate

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 *C:\Program Files\GDALgdal_translate -of GTiff -co TFW=YES -co
 INTERLEAVE=PIX*
 *EL -co TILED=YES -co COMPRESS=JPEG -co JPEG_QUALITY=100 -co
 COPY_SRC_OVE*
 *RVIEWS=YES -co PROFILE=BASELINE C:\Program
 Files\GDAL\Converted_Geo.tif C:*
 *\Program Files\GDAL\Converted_Geo1.tif*
 Input file size is 12000, 275799
 0...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90...100 - done.

 I want to remove above Corner Coordinates: information
 
 Please help me with any option available to remove that

Remove -co TFW=YES in the above gdal_translate command line. This will avoid 
the .tfw file to be generated, which is used to compute the corner coordinates.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] the project home page link here has been hijacked . . .

[Even Rouault]

Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 20:09:34, Frank Warmerdam a écrit :
 Bob,
 
 Funky, it works for me.  It leads me to the MapBuilder info page, and
 information on it being retired.
 
 This works in a logged in session and in a not logged in session (both in
 chrome and firefox).

I've also the same issue as Bob. Firefox (and Chrome) tell me the following :

communitymapbuilder.osgeo.org uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is only valid for the following names:
  *.chipotle.com , chipotle.com , store.chipotle.com  

(Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain)


$ traceroute communitymapbuilder.osgeo.org
traceroute to communitymapbuilder.osgeo.org (63.246.7.187), 30 hops max, 60 
byte packets
[snip]
 6  te0-5-0-4.ccr22.par01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.225)  34.139 ms 
te0-5-0-2.mpd22.par01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.58.233)  22.167 ms 
te0-5-0-4.ccr22.par01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.225)  22.440 ms
 7  te0-3-0-1.mpd22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.9)  195.446 ms 
te0-1-0-1.ccr22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.193)  195.787 ms 
te0-3-0-1.mpd22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.9)  196.723 ms
 8  te0-0-0-4.ccr22.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.0.46)  197.333 ms 
te0-3-0-4.ccr22.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.122)  198.250 ms 
te0-2-0-4.ccr22.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.43.57)  198.814 ms
 9  te0-5-0-5.ccr22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.43.73)  199.051 ms 
te0-3-0-7.ccr21.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.22)  200.135 ms 
te0-5-0-5.ccr21.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.42.253)  201.066 ms
10  * te7-2.ccr01.stl03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.2.217)  210.186 ms *
11  38.104.162.198 (38.104.162.198)  150.032 ms  151.076 ms  140.163 ms
12  63-246-15-30.xiolink.com (63.246.15.30)  135.069 ms  138.963 ms  138.420 
ms
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Something weird...

 
 Best regards,
 Frank
 
 On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) 
 
 bob.basq...@ci.stpaul.mn.us wrote:
Where is the “Home Page” link on this page supposed to go?  I keep
  
  getting a login page . . .is this correct?
  
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  http://www.osgeo.org/mapbuilder
  
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Board of Directors Nomination: Frank Warmerdam

[Even Rouault]

Dear OSGeo Community and Charter Members,

I would like to nominate Frank Warmerdam for re-election in the OSGeo Board of 
Directors. 

Frank is one of the key persons that have contributed to OSGeo creation and 
have served it as a board member since then. He is currently taking part in 
various OSGeo committees, such as the System Administration Committee and 
Incubation Committee, or updating the web site etc..

Frank is also the chair of the GDAL PSC and MetaCRS PSC, member of the 
MapServer PSC, as well as a maintainer of other core components, such as 
libtiff and libgeotiff, that a lot of the OSGeo software stack rely on.

His experience, deep knowledge of OSGeo since its inception, and his 
accomplishments make him a good candidate to serve again on the Board to help 
ensure continuity in the realization of OSGeo's vision and mission.

Even
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Board elections Voting

[Even Rouault]

Hi,

 I also agree with Arnulf that we need to change this for the next election.

I also think that changing rules so close before the election period is not 
appropriate (imagine how people would call a governmenent that would do that 
before an election !)

There are pros and cons in every election system, and that should be decided 
with some time to weigh them properly if a new one is proposed.

 
 Regards,
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