Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-02-21 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) 
>  wrote:
> 
> For my two-pence, which won't even get you a cup of chai in Mumbai


Correct. The current going rate is about 15¢ or 10p.




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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Notice] Email List Maintenance

2015-10-07 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Alex M  wrote:
> 
> All of OSGeo email lists and aliases, will be migrated
> to the new "osgeo6"



Was kinda expecting the new machine to be called the FOSS4G6 machine… phew !
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

2015-10-06 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
A resounding YES !!!


> On Oct 6, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Barry Rowlingson  
> wrote:
> 
> Okay, this is probably sticking a match under a pile of dry wood but
> here goes...
> 
> Can we rename The FOSS4G Conference to The OSGeo Conference?
> 
> Cons:
> 
> 1. FOSS4G is an established brand
> 
> 2. FOSS4G sidesteps the "Free" vs "Open Source" argument by including both.
> 
> Counters to those:
> 
> 1. Really? Perhaps amongst OSGeo people, but outside our sphere I
> have to expand the acronym and then go on to mention OSGeo.
> 
> 2. Let's have that argument somewhere else, okay?
> 
> Pros:
> 
> 1. Puts the *Geo* visible, not tucked away as a G at the end.
> 
> 2. Gets rid of the "4G", which may have been a cool thing 2 do ten
> years ago, but not now :)
> 
> 3. Removes any confusion with 4G telecoms networks.
> 
> 4. Clearly brands the conference as an OSGeo conference. Recent
> discussion about the prominence and significance of OSGeo to FOSS4G
> becomes moot.
> 
> 5. Is easy to explain. The OSGeo Conference is the open source
> geospatial conference. See the OSGeo web site. Search for OSGeo. One
> acronym to remember.
> 
> [I toyed with the idea that the conference should be called "OSGeo
> Live!" and renaming the OSGeo Live operating system disc as "OSGeoOS"
> but that might be a bit too much :)]
> 
> So, this is the discuss list, discuss.
> 
> Barry
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Renaming FOSS4G

2015-10-06 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Paragon Corporation  wrote:
> 
> OSGEO is the Go To for all your FOSS4G needs.



Reminds me how I used to do GIS on my IBM then go home and watch CBS on my VCR. 
Thankfully, those days are over.
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board election: no re-elections this year?

2015-09-23 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

> On Sep 23, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden  
> wrote:
> 
> - Is the board membership such a demanding job that members always resign 
> after 2 years?



I didn’t realize there was no term-limit. In fact, I believe there *should* be 
one to get new ideas, new representation, and simply new energy. Two years is 
not a bad term.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 103, Issue 20

2015-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
My turn to respectfully disagree…

 On Jul 27, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Jonathan Moules j.mou...@hrwallingford.com 
 wrote:
 
 You raise some good points.
 
 Ease-of-use from the POV of the general public varies from culture to 
 culture, context to context, time to time. Thinking that we can create a 
 universal code that everyone in the world will glom on to is just fanciful 
 and really a waste of time
 
 Yes and no. Some of the limitations, like the digit span I mentioned are a 
 fundamental tenet of how the human mind works. Across all cultures people are 
 better at remembering short things than long things. You're certainly correct 
 that the cultural and contextual aspects make it tricky though.


A context-less nonsensical short phrase such as 4V.2J makes way less sense than 
“200 feet from the wooden bridge to the right of the banyan tree.” A big chunk 
of the population in my own land of birth would probably not understand what is 
“V” and “J” but they could repeat and remember the directions in their own 
language. Short != semantically meaningful.


 
 Thinking that we can create a universal code that everyone in the world will 
 glom on to is just fanciful and really a waste of time. If it had been 
 needed badly, it would have created.
 
 Respectfully, I must disagree. In this thread alone at least six different 
 versions have been linked to, so someone is certainly creating them. I can 
 think of several real-world advantages, of such systems, for instance if I 
 type in SW1A 2AA to google, I (correctly) get taken to Downing Street, but 
 that's because the UK have a unique format to their postal codes. If I enter 
 20500, I don't get taken to the vicinity of the White House because google 
 doesn't know what to do with it. I need to enter US 20500 for that. If I 
 want to go to the Kremlin I must enter 103132 which does work - except it 
 took me a while to find out that code because I don't know what they call 
 them in Russia (it's not a zip code or a post code) (seems there are lots 
 of terms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_code#Terms ).
 
 Perhaps this problem could benefit from input from the Universal Postal Union?

I misspoke. Yes, a lot of such systems exist, perhaps several of them even 
aspiring to become globally used by the common public. However, none of them 
have achieved any success toward that goal. Yes, they can perhaps serve 
specialized needs (for example, providing mechanized directions to fire 
trucks), but accepted and used by common folks? the scenario strains my 
imagination. And, even mechanized/automated directions for firetrucks are a 
distant reach… have you seen the alleys and byways that have organically 
developed over the ages in most of the old world? The world out there is far 
from Cartesian.

Puneet.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 103, Issue 20

2015-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
Hello all, hi Jonathan,

 On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Jonathan Moules j.mou...@hrwallingford.com 
 wrote:
 
 These systems may fail from a GIS perspective, but that's because their 
 primary design goal is ease-of-use by the general public.



Ease-of-use from the POV of the general public varies from culture to culture, 
context to context, time to time. Thinking that we can create a universal code 
that everyone in the world will glom on to is just fanciful and really a waste 
of time. If it had been needed badly, it would have created. Those who 
understand or can use lat/lon, already do so, or just punch it in a device. 
Those who understand “200 feet from the wooden bridge to the right of the 
banyan tree” use that  and are happy with it.

And that mapcode site that someone mentioned is being considered as an ISO 
standard; first, mapcode is being filed by mapcode folks to become an ISO 
standard. That is not the same as “it is being considered as a standard.” 
Besides, what a confused jumble of instructions regarding its licensing:

It was decided to donate the mapcode system to the public domain in 2008.
http://www.mapcode.com/aboutmc.html 

The Stichting Mapcode Foundation is a non-profit foundation, established in 
The Netherlands (Chamber of Commerce RSIN registration number 852726284), which 
holds all the patents, rights, brands, designs, properties, collateral, 
algorithms, data tables and IP related to map codes.” (which part of Public 
Domain do they not understand?)
http://www.mapcode.com/aboutus.html

The Mapcode Foundation is the only authorized entity that is allowed to 
maintain, change or adapt its software or tables.” (Oh, good! I should trust 
them to do the right thing forever)
http://www.mapcode.com/aboutus.html

The mapcode algorithms and data tables may not be altered in any way that 
would result in the production of different (and thus incompatible) mapcodes. 
The mapcode algorithms and data tables may not be used in any way to generate a 
different system that produces codes to represent locations. In order to 
prevent misuse, unauthorised alterations, copying or commercial exploitation, 
please note that the ideas and algorithms behind the mapcode system have been 
patented and that the term mapcode is a registered trademark of the Stichting 
Mapcode Foundation.” (so, this system meant for global use cannot be used for 
commercial purposes; which part of the world can subsist on love and free air?)
http://www.mapcode.com/downloads.html#devsec

There are a bunch of interesting problems to be solved in the geo realm. In my 
view, a globally usable location system is not one of them. But hey, its a free 
world and there are many wheels to reinvent.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members

2014-06-23 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor


 On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Howard Butler how...@hobu.co wrote:
 
 Do you lose a significant benefit by not being a Charter Member? Just the 
 ability to vote for the board and the ability to tout your exclusivity on a 
 vita/resume. Anything else? Lack of membership does not prevent anyone from 
 participating now, and we wouldn't want it to (unlike many other professional 
 organizations).

I don't lose anything significant, which implies that everything significant I 
gain from OSGeo's community is unaffected by my membership. This is one of the 
reasons I don't attend foss4g anymore (actually, mainly because I can't afford 
to do so). I will still support all the community ideals and aspirations to the 
fullest possible.

In short, I consider this both my vote for membership dues and the concurrent 
renunciation of my membership as a result.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Maps and the Geospatial Revolution from Jul 17th 2013 at Coursera

2013-09-04 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
Snipped a bunch of the email below for brevity --

On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Suchith Anand suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk 
wrote:

 ..
 It will be very helpful, if you can share your ideas and experiences to OSGeo 
 Edu community so we can think of ideas for MOOC program entirely using OSGeo 
 Software for the future.
 
 ..
 
 On 30/06/13 03:20, ANTHONY C ROBINSON wrote:
 Hi Cameron,
 
 ..
 
 I'm aware of some OS community angst about my selection of AGOL for doing 
 most of the labs in the course. 
 
 ..


Seems like I missed the start of this discussion, but am really glad to pitch 
in now. A geospatial MOOC completely based on both open software as well as 
open data would make for a perfect trifecta of completely open educational 
materials. Kudos.

At Creative Commons we have particular interest in MOOCs, not only for the 
potential they hold for open and inclusive education, but also for potentially 
revolutionizing education itself. That potential is currently limited by the 
restrictive licensing many of the MOOCs adopt. A completely open MOOC licensed 
under a CC BY or a CC BY-SA license would not only fulfill its educational 
mission, it would also allow others to take the educational material and remix 
and repurpose it further.

Please keep the above points in mind when having a conversation about MOOCs. I 
would be happy to assist where appropriate.

Many thanks,


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2013 Nottingham update

2012-10-01 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk 
wrote:

 social trips (caves anyone?
 http://bldgblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/caves-of-nottingham_11.html),


Even though Kimbereley is no more, how 'bout ye olde trip to jerusalem?

http://www.triptojerusalem.com/



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G presentation review process

2012-10-01 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk 
wrote:

 * some names are big draws, and it would be disappointing to not have
 someone because their abstract wasn't that exciting.


If they don't have anything interesting to say, they should not be big draws.

Selection should be on the character of content rather than the size of the 
badge.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

2012-07-31 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote:

 Btw: OdbL will be a great enabler for this because it requires to
 maintain this breadcrumb track when publishing the results.


Confused as to how ODbL (http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/) is relevant 
here. Unless, you mean the Old Dominion Baseball League 
(http://www.acronymfinder.com/Old-Dominion-Baseball-League-(Virginia)-(ODBL).html)



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Geodata] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

2012-07-31 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote:

 On 07/31/2012 02:14 PM, Mr. Puneet Kishor wrote:
 
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us
 wrote:
 
 Btw: OdbL will be a great enabler for this because it requires to 
 maintain this breadcrumb track when publishing the results.
 
 
 Confused as to how ODbL (http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/)
 is relevant here. Unless, you mean the Old Dominion Baseball League
 (http://www.acronymfinder.com/Old-Dominion-Baseball-League-(Virginia)-(ODBL).html)
 
 http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/
 
 [BOF]
 4.6 Access to Derivative Databases. If You Publicly Use a Derivative
 Database or a Produced Work from a Derivative Database, You must also
 offer to recipients of the Derivative Database or Produced Work a copy
 in a machine readable form of:
 
  a. The entire Derivative Database; or
 
  b. A file containing all of the alterations made to the Database
 or the method of making the alterations to the Database (such as an
 algorithm), including any additional Contents, that make up all the
 differences between the Database and the Derivative Database.
 [EOF]
 
 So whenever you create a derivative database you can simply add the
 breadcrumb track of how you did it and Voila, the license conditions
 have been met, happy.
 
 In my mind one of the greatest sections in OdbL (an admittedly narrowly
 metadata focused mind).
 


Perhaps, but not all datasets have licenses, may be in the public domain, may 
have waived their rights allowing derivation without attribution, etc., etc. 

Let's not get bogged down right away in licensing issues (I shouldn't say 
trust me, but I will, as a friend, not a lawyer -- IANAL) else we won't get 
anywhere, but there are many, many different legal statuses under which a 
dataset may be made available.
 
(sitting in a meeting in Wash DC discussing this very issue since yesterday 
morning).


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

2012-07-29 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Andrew Turner ajtur...@highearthorbit.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Dimitris Kotzinos kotz...@csd.uoc.gr wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 I would like to second Arnulf's suggestions for the committee and the white
 paper.
 Slight amendment : let's name it Open Geospatial Data Committee.
 I'd be happy to participate.
 
 +1 on an Open Geospatial Data Committee. Count me in as well.


I am with y'all on that.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Open Source Geospatial Atlas

2012-07-28 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Barry Rowlingson b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk 
wrote:

 Do you think an atlas of beautiful maps produced with open-source
 technology (software and data) could be made? Here's what I was
 thinking:
 ..


Great idea, but a physical book in today's day and age? Perhaps... That said, 
what about

http://www.radicalcartography.net
http://www.cartotalk.com/index.php?showforum=14


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 27, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Andrew Ross andrew.r...@eclipse.org wrote:

 BSD, MIT, Apache wouldn't have this issue - at the expense of not having the 
 weak copyleft. Basically people can take the code and do what they wish with 
 it.


+1


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) se...@arnulf.us wrote:

 On 07/27/2012 11:45 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
 On 27 July 2012 05:55, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote:
 This is a really interesting debate. Reading the links provided it also
 appears to be a mixed bag about acceptance of LGPL of various firms and
 I'm also sure many of us can name firms that have no issue shipping LGPL
 components.
 
 GPL is dying, of natural causes.
 
 http://ostatic.com/blog/the-top-licenses-on-github
 
 Best regards,
 
 (I don't think that GPL is dying, it is still 70% on SourceForge last
 time I checked)
 ..


would also be interesting to rearrange that chart by --

- SLOC. Would 200 projects of 5 SLOC each under license A vs. one project of 
1000 SLOC under license B considered some kind of marker?

- adoption. Would 200 projects under license A adopted by a total of 500 
implementations vs. one project under license B adopted by 500,000 folks 
portend some other kind of trend?

Yes, an interesting and worthwhile conversation.



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think there is a tradeoff in the licensing decision between the
 greater adoption that comes with a weaker license, and the stricter
 adherence to open source principles that come with a stronger
 license. (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html)
 
 I'm not making a statement about which license is better for OSGeo
 Projects, I'm just making a general statement. I personally feel the
 principles in the GPL and LGPL are more important than wider adoption
 for my projects. But I'm just a hobby programmer.


Yes, choice of license is a personal one, and while we may disagree on it, we 
have to abide by the choices that others make.

Personally, I care enough about free and open access that I want to see as wide 
adoption as possible. And, that includes those who may want to take my work, 
modify it, and re-release the modifications under a more restrictive license. 
If that leads to wider adoption, and there is some empirical evidence it does, 
I am all for it. Which is why I tend to use CC0 -- that is, effectively in the 
Public Domain, reverted to CC-BY where PD is not possible or impractical.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 27, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 27 July 2012 15:50, Mr. Puneet Kishor punk.k...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Landon Blake sunburned.surve...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I think there is a tradeoff in the licensing decision between the
 greater adoption that comes with a weaker license, and the stricter
 adherence to open source principles that come with a stronger
 license. (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html)
 
 I'm not making a statement about which license is better for OSGeo
 Projects, I'm just making a general statement. I personally feel the
 principles in the GPL and LGPL are more important than wider adoption
 for my projects. But I'm just a hobby programmer.
 
 
 Yes, choice of license is a personal one, and while we may disagree on it,
 we have to abide by the choices that others make.
 
 
 Actually choice of licence may be imposed on you by employer or sponsoring
 organisation -


Yes, of course. I wasn't bringing into discussion situations where I had no 
control. If my terms of hire or funding state something, I have to abide by 
that, and all this discussion is moot.


 ...
 
 The only thing I hate more than licence discussions is meetings with the
 lawyers.
 


Indeed. Which is why I short-circuit all license discussions in my personal 
domain by not having any license. Life is too short and precious, in my view, 
to encumber with these complications. I'd rather be having a cold beer.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com wrote:

 I hesitate to get into this discussion, but...
 
 Puneet wrote:
 [...] I short-circuit all license discussions in my personal domain by
 not having any license. Life is too short and precious, in my view, to 
 encumber with 
 these complications.
 
 Do you literally mean no license at all? That might be a mistake, if you're 
 looking for others to adopt your code.
 


No, I don't mean no license at all. I mean CC0.


http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/


 Having no license documentation in the code raises all sorts of red flags.  
 In my commercial or government work, I'd not allow use of any code whose 
 provenance, author, and/or copyright status is at all unclear.
 


Using CC0 makes my intent very clear.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] The importance of a project's license

2012-07-27 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, doug_newc...@fws.gov wrote:

 I would have to echo that.  I do not see using code at work that does not 
 have any licensing information attached.



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Re: [Board] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role

2012-05-05 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
I second Michael's sentiments. Use of terms such as distinguished and elite 
in the context of OSGeo community makes me extremely uncomfortable.


On May 5, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

 Your points have actually been discussed, but so far there hasn't 
 apparently been enough 
 interest to further push the idea of stronger charter member roles.
 enough interest in the community or the OSGeo Board?
 
 Both.
 
 (Your points (1) and (3) are already the case, and some people (myself 
 included) feel that (2) is not desirable right now.)
 About (2), why is it not desirable?
 
 The board is elected by the charter members to make policy. When the system 
 was set up, it was not the intent that charter members had any role other 
 than to preserve the nature and mission of the foundation by electing 
 appropriate board members.
 
 Other than that, many of us did not want to create any sort of special 
 status for members of the community: we wanted to be as open and inclusive as 
 possible. To  that end, we have a public board mailing list where issues can 
 be raised and discussed by all, and the monthly board meetings are also held 
 openly on #irc.
 
 -mpg
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
 On Behalf Of Venkatesh Raghavan
 Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:58 AM
 To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; 'OSGeo-Board'; 'marketing'
 Subject: Re: [Board] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
 
 Michael,
 
 On 2012/05/05 23:58, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
 Your points have actually been discussed, but so far there hasn't 
 apparently been enough interest to further push the idea of
 stronger charter member roles.
 enough interest in the community or the OSGeo Board?
 
 
 
 (Your points (1) and (3) are already the case, and some people (myself 
 included) feel that (2) is not desirable right now.)
 About (2), why is it not desirable?
 
 Venka
 
 
 
 -mpg
 
 
 
 From: board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:board-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] 
 On Behalf Of Venkatesh Raghavan
 Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 5:46 AM
 Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org; OSGeo-Board; marketing
 Subject: [Board] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Defining an OSGeo Ambassador role
 
 
 
 There was a discussion about responsibility of Charter members
 http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2011-December/009239.html
 
 and a wiki page (see below) was initiated (at the request of a Board member)
 but not much input after that.
 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_charter_member_page_instruction
 
 I also made several suggestions to the board which till date is answered by 
 anyone
 on the OSGeo board.
 See thread http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-January/009337.html
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4G South America

2012-02-13 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:20 PM, slesage wrote:

 El 2012-02-12 22:25, Alex Borrell escribió:
 Thanks for your nice reply, Sylvain.
 
 I would certainly like to Bolivia (People say it's beatiful). Anyway,
 if there is something I coul do to help,
 count on it! Probably we'll see the day of a Latin American FOSS4G.



Yes, Bolivia is gorgeous. I spent a couple of wonderful weeks in La Paz in 1995 
doing an assessment of their GIS capability, and few even more wonderful days 
in Santa Cruz de la Sierra. Still have a charango to prove it. I am sure their 
GIS capabilities have come a long ways since 1995.

A project like this is best done by local developers, with lots of active 
involvement via user lists and other online communities such as this.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Report from the OSGeo Board meeting

2011-09-21 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Sep 21, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

 I wrote recently that there three kinds of functions needed here:
 administrative (bookkeeping, answering mail, etc), tactical (project
 management, sys admin), and strategic (fundraising, outreach).  The first
 can be done by a mixture of outsourcing and volunteers, and we're already
 taking steps for that.  The second is done already by very competent
 volunteers.  The third requires a very specific set of skills we will likely
 hire or contract out for;


Agree about the first and the second above, but disagree about the third (in a 
minor way). Yes, fundraising is something that requires a dedicated person or 
persona, which, unfortunately and ironically requires funds. Although, there 
are models for getting around that (in a minute on that). However, please don't 
lump outreach there. Outreach is what we all do on a daily basis --

- Every time someone responds to a desperate new or (ahem) returning user's 
email as to why MapServer is returning a broken image or why OpenLayers is not 
working via a proxy, that is outreach. 

- The hours that Alex and Karsten and others (including, in a very small way, 
myself) stand at the OSGeo booth talking to visitors, that is outreach. 

- The countless presentations that I have given all over the world in the past 
3 years, mostly as a Creative Commons Fellow, but also talking about OSGeo and 
free and open source geospatial, that is outreach.

- Using pretty much nothing but OSGeo tools for my current largish-money 
project and converting all my colleagues in academic to appreciating the 
benefits of OSGeo tools is outreach.

Outreach is a fundamentally volunteer and community effort, not requiring a 
dedicated sales/advertising budget or agency. This is a significant part of the 
open in OSGeo.

With regards to fundraising -- I am thinking of the sqlite model. As you might 
know, sqlite is in public domain. However, the developer ha) at least the 
following funding sources --

1. personal technical support
2. sale of encrypted sqlite
3. (perhaps, most applicable to OSGeo) is corporate sponsorship/membership to 
the sqlite consortium from big-pocketed private companies that benefit from 
sqlite. I believe part of the benefit of being a member of the consortia is 
that they get some tech support, etc., although I am not too sure about that. 
sqlite.org has details about that.


 in the near term, the board and other non-board
 volunteers will shoulder this (as they have been doing for years, though
 often unacknowledged).  This will be an evolving process, of course, and the
 discussion with the community is now underway.

Yup, this is good. And, absolute no issues with taking decision about 
eliminating the ED position without airing it on the public list. Besides other 
reasons, it would have been tremendously inefficient.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] designing databases, organizing data formats to work with open source and proprietary GIS

2011-08-10 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
Karsten,

On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:12 PM, karsten vennemann wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 in the near future I will have the opportunity to help design databases, 
 decide on data formats (files data) for an international organization that 
 wishes to be able to use both proprietary and open source based systems, 
 mostly in web mapping solution but also possibly on the desktop. The task 
 will be to design and organize the data stores in a way that both types of 
 systems - open source (e.g. MapServer, OpenLayers) and proprietary systems 
 (ESRI Arc Server) can use them well, and along the way to try to avoid too 
 much data duplication (having to store data in multiple formats just to make 
 them accessible) .
 
 This sounds to like a exiting  useful, fun task, but given the limitations 
 of both systems (regarding input data that might not work out of the box- 
 namely file Geodatabases in open source solutions, and PostGIS data in ESRI 
 products) might be not totally trivial ;)
 
 I was wondering if anybody has done work on this, has implemented systems 
 facing the same issues or knows of projects or reports that have been dealing 
 with similar issues. Also I anybody has comments about what data storage 
 solution you would recommend and comments about the pro and cons of certain 
 storage designs please send it to the list.
 Looking forward to hear what other have come up with.
 Thanks a lot
 

Perhaps other will respond with something helpful, but the above is way too 
generic. You might have to narrow down the specific issues in order to get more 
useful responses.

Puneet.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-ers in Sydney

2011-08-01 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
I am in Sydney till the end of the week. If there are any Sydney OSGeo-ers on 
this list, I would love to meet up with you and get tips on where to find 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Live-demo] Impacts of OSGeo-Live document license selection on OSGeo

2011-06-19 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Charlie Schweik wrote:

 On 6/18/2011 7:00 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
 Are education institutions allowed to license material they create under CC 
 BY-SA?
 I don't know if there is a yes or no answer to this or to what degree 
 this has been addressed in academic institutions. We have one colleague, 
 Puneet Kishor, who is closely connected to Creative Commons. Puneet, do you 
 have any idea about this?
 


The answer would likely vary from institution to institution. Going by 
UW-Madison where I work, copyright in institutional stuff (for example, the UW 
web site [http://www.wisc.edu]) are held by the Regents of the University. 
Every page on the web site is footnoted with © 2010 Board of Regents - 
University of Wisconsin System. All Rights Reserved.

However, employees are certainly allowed to benefit from their own creations; 
see below for relevant excerpt from 
[http://www.wisconsin.edu/gc-off/deskbook/copyrgt.htm]. 


Ownership of Employee-Created Instructional Materials

Under the UW System Policy on Ownership of Copyrightable 
Instructional Materials (GAPP 27), the employee usually 
owns all rights in his or her creations. For instance, a 
professor who creates a scholarly article in the course 
of research at a UW System institution would ordinarily 
own the copyright in it. The institution may have an 
interest, however, if it contributed substantial 
institutional resources in the creation of the work. 
Substantial resources could include providing the 
creator with paid release time from his or her job, or 
allowing the employee exceptional access to specialized 
computer resources to create the work. In practice, 
when an author uses institutional resources to create a 
protected work, it is best to agree with the institution 
beforehand about ownership and control of the work. GAPP 
27 includes a sample agreement to allocate rights and 
interests in copyrighted works between the institution 
and the employee author.

In addition, if a work is produced with extramural support, 
such as federal funding or corporate sponsorship, the 
sponsor may have rights in the work. These rights need to 
be factored into any agreement allocating rights between 
the copyright owner and the institution.


It is evident from above that the matter is not cut and dried. It would depend 
on agreement with the employer (work-for-hire clause), stipulations from the 
funding agency (federal vs. private funders), etc.

Instructors hold copyright in the instructional material they create, 
researchers hold copyright in the articles and books they write, and inventors 
are able to hold patents and benefit from them. UW has specific policies 
regarding patenting [http://www.warf.org/inventors/index.jsp?cid=14].


Please note that under university policy and certain 
federal statutes, all inventions made by UW-Madison faculty, 
staff and students must be disclosed to WARF regardless of 
the monies (federal, private, etc.) that funded the 
research leading to the invention. 

Once WARF processes a new disclosure, the UW-Madison 
Graduate School will perform an equity review to determine 
who has ownership rights to the invention. If the Graduate 
School determines that federal funds did not contribute to 
the invention (and the inventor has not assigned intellectual 
property rights to an outside entity, such as a company), 
the inventor may then choose whether or not to work with 
WARF in patenting and licensing the invention.


In fact, even students hold copyright in their theses and dissertations 
[http://www.grad.wisc.edu/education/completedegree/pguide.html#18].


Copyright Page (optional)   
[ top ]
If you would like, prepare a copyright page conforming to 
the sample in the samples section. You may view a sample 
copyright page at 
http://www.grad.wisc.edu/education/completedegree/copyright.pdf. 
Center the text in the bottom third of the page within the 
dissertation margins.  Do not number the copyright page.

Registration of copyright

You are automatically protected by copyright law, and you do 
not have to pay in order to retain copyright.  There is an 
additional fee of $65.00 for registering your copyright, 
which is a public record, and is payable at the Bursar's 
office along with the dissertation microfilming and binding 
fee of $90.00.  If you choose to pay this additional fee, 
please sign the separate ProQuest registration of copyright page.  
If you submit that page, ProQuest will send 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] F4G 2012

2011-05-09 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On May 9, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Eduardo Kanegae wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 I'll not be able to visit F4G2011 but I´d like to start planning
 myself for the next year conference.
 
 Is there any proposal of places for hosting 2012 conference or am I
 asking this too early?
 

I believe São Paulo is a top contender. Start saving.









* just kidding.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Workshop on Open Government: Open Data, Open Source and Open Standards

2011-05-04 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor
## Workshop on Open Government: Open Data,  Open Source and Open Standards

You are invited to attend a workshop titled [Open Government: Open Data, 
Open Source and Open Standards][og] organized jointly by 
[Dr. Hanif Rahemtulla][hr], Horizon Digital Economy Research and 
[Puneet Kishor][pk], Creative Commons

The workshop will be held in conjunction with the annual [Open Source 
GIS Conference][oc], June 21, 2011, Nottingham, United Kingdom, and will 
be held at the [School of Geography/Centre for Geospatial Science][cg] 
at the University of Nottingham.

[og]: http://punkish.org/opengov/index.html
[hr]: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/computerscience/people/Hanif.Rahemtulla
[pk]: http://punkish.org
[oc]: http://cgs.nottingham.ac.uk/~osgis11/os_home.html
[cg]: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/index.aspx

This workshop builds on the [Law and the GeoWeb][lg] workshop held recently 
at Microsoft Research, Redmond, WA, and will bring together speakers from 
across industry, research and academia to contribute toward some of the 
fundamental theoretical and technical questions emerging in the Open Data 
space (i.e., how to mark up and release open data; licensing models for 
governments and how to interface them to other open source and commercial 
licensing regimes; conflicts between data protection and transparency and 
structuring access to data by different groups). 

[lg]: http://punkish.org/geoweb/index.html

The following speakers and topics have been confirmed:

*   Dr. Peter Mooney, Geotechnologies Research Group, Department of 
Computer Science, NUI Maynooth (NUIM), Co. Kildare. Ireland
 Producing and consuming open data

*   Professor David Martin, School of Geography, University of 
Southampton, Southampton
 Mapping the UK population over time: a universe of new possibilities

*   Zach Beauvais, Talis
 Linked data

*   Dr. Chris Parker (GeoVation and Community Propositions) and 
Ian Holt (Web Services), Ordnance Survey, Southampton
 Tackling global challenges through open innovation and geographic 
information

*   Dr. Catherine Souch, Royal Geographical Society
 The Open Data revolution and data literacy in higher education

*   Dr. Katleen Janssen, Interdisciplinary Centre for Law and ICT (ICRI), 
Katholieke Universiteit, Leuven, Belgium
 Privacy and legal implications of open data

*   Professor Derek McAuley, Horizon Digital Economy Research Institute, 
University of Nottingham
 Exercising our rights over information about us

## Proceedings

Proceedings of the Redmond and Nottingham workshops along with 
selected longer papers will be published in a special issue of the 
open-access [International Journal of Spatial Data Infrastructure 
Research][ij] published by the Joint Research Centre of the European 
Commission.

[ij]: http://ijsdir.jrc.ec.europa.eu

## Contact

Please register for the workshop at the main [OSGIS web site][rg]. 

[rg]: 
http://osgis2011.wufoo.com/forms/third-open-source-gis-conference-osgis-2011/

For further information please contact either [Dr. Hanif Rahemtulla][eh] or 
[Puneet Kishor][ep].

[eh]: mailto:hanif.rahemtu...@nottingham.ac.uk
[ep]: mailto:punk...@creativecommons.org

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO booth is up at AAG in Seattle

2011-04-13 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor



On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, karsten vennemann kars...@terragis.net wrote:

 Hi GIS Folks,
  
 the OSGEO booth is set-up at AAG 2011 http://www.aag.org/cs/annualmeeting in 
 Seattle. 
 Please please stop by and chat with us if you are in the areas or attending 
 AGG. We have volunteer staffing at the booth starting tonight at the exhibit 
 hall opening and until Friday with support mainly  from the CA and Cascadia 
 chapter of OSGEO .
 See you there during the rest of the week.

Wanted to have it be known -- Karsten and Alex Mandel and others are doing a 
great job. A true labor of love.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGEO booth is up at AAG in Seattle

2011-04-12 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Apr 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, karsten vennemann kars...@terragis.net wrote:

 Hi GIS Folks,
  
 the OSGEO booth is set-up at AAG 2011 http://www.aag.org/cs/annualmeeting in 
 Seattle. 
 Please please stop by and chat with us if you are in the areas or attending 
 AGG. We have volunteer staffing at the booth starting tonight at the exhibit 
 hall opening and until Friday with support mainly  from the CA and Cascadia 
 chapter of OSGEO .
 See you there during the rest of the week.


Cool. Will come to say hi. Hey other OSGeo-ers. Raise your hand if you are here 
at AAG. Would love to put some names to faces to names.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Finding position based on horizon profile?

2011-03-29 Thread Mr. Puneet Kishor

On Mar 29, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Ian Turton wrote:

 On 28 March 2011 16:48, Michael P. Gerlek m...@flaxen.com wrote:
 Consider the following hypothetical problem:
 
 Assume we have a good elevation data set for a large region of the earth --
 say, an entire mountain range.  Now let's say we have a photograph taken
 from the ground, the horizon of which shows the profile of a couple of the
 mountains in that range.  Can you tell me where the photograph was taken
 from?
 
 Any pointers to research in this area would be appreciated.
 
 I think that http://www.heywhatsthat.com/ does some of  what you want.
 I'm on a very slow hotel internet connection so I can't actually get
 it to load just now. But my Delicious tags seem to indicate it's an
 answer.
 

Yes, that is the one I have been thinking of since the start of this thread. 
Thanks Ian, for suggesting heywhatsthat.com. It was pointed out either on this 
list or on geowanking a long time ago, and I just couldn't remember it. It is 
pretty cool.

Puneet.

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