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[Soham GSoC]

Hi Developers,
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[Charlie Schweik]

FYI - All of the proceedings from recent past foss4g conferences can be
found at

https://scholarworks.umass.edu/foss4g

Cheers
Charlie

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> > On Jun 14, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Vijay Tulasingam 
> wrote:
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> > Thank you, I would like to know where can I get FOSS4G2018 proceedings
> and if not available online I would like to know the ISBN no.
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https://www.int-arch-photogramm-remote-sens-spatial-inf-sci.net/XLII-4-W8/

> On Jun 14, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Vijay Tulasingam  wrote:
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> Dear all
> Thank you, I would like to know where can I get FOSS4G2018 proceedings and if 
> not available online I would like to know the ISBN no.
> 
> Thanks
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[Vijay Tulasingam]

Dear all
Thank you, I would like to know where can I get FOSS4G2018 proceedings and
if not available online I would like to know the ISBN no.

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[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you for the great introduction Tri, and welcome to the OSGeo 
community :)  -jeff




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On 2017-12-26 1:37 PM, Tri Truong wrote:

Hello everyone,
I am Tri Truong, a student participating in the Google Code-In 2017. I 
am currently attending a public high school as a senior, and will be 
working with and contributing to the OSGeo community by the time I 
participate at the GCI 2017. Here's my OSGeo wiki page, if you wish to 
know more about me: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/18ttruongk 



Thank you, hoping to contribute to the OSGeo community.

2017-12-26 10:08 GMT-08:00 Tri Truong <18ttruo...@gmail.com 
>:


Hello everyone,
I am Tri Truong, a student participating in the Google Code-In 2017.
I am currently attending a public high school as a senior, and will
be working with and contributing to the OSGeo community by the time
I participate at the GCI 2017. Here's my OSGeo wiki page, if you
wish to know more about me: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/18ttruongk


Thank you, hoping to contribute to the OSGeo community.

Tri Truong






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[Tri Truong]

Hello everyone,
I am Tri Truong, a student participating in the Google Code-In 2017. I am
currently attending a public high school as a senior, and will be working
with and contributing to the OSGeo community by the time I participate at
the GCI 2017. Here's my OSGeo wiki page, if you wish to know more about me:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/18ttruongk

Thank you, hoping to contribute to the OSGeo community.

2017-12-26 10:08 GMT-08:00 Tri Truong <18ttruo...@gmail.com>:

> Hello everyone,
> I am Tri Truong, a student participating in the Google Code-In 2017. I am
> currently attending a public high school as a senior, and will be working
> with and contributing to the OSGeo community by the time I participate at
> the GCI 2017. Here's my OSGeo wiki page, if you wish to know more about me:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/18ttruongk
>
> Thank you, hoping to contribute to the OSGeo community.
>
> Tri Truong
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[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you Shameek and welcome to the OSGeo community! :)

-jeff

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On 2017-12-02 11:33 AM, Shameek Dutta wrote:

I am a new member of the OSGeo community.
This is my new wiki page-https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Shameek_Dutta



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[Shameek Dutta]

I am a new member of the OSGeo community.
This is my new wiki page-https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Shameek_Dutta
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[Helmut Kudrnovsky]

Sara Safavi:
>In the notification emails from CRO to new charter member nominees, the
>following is included (emphasis mine):
>
>*"(Charter Members) have the following responsibilities: (1) annually vote
>for OSGeo Board Members; (2) annually vote for new OSGeo Charter Members
>and (3) be aware of and protect against a hostile takeover of OSGeo."*
>
>I have had more than one nominee of mine contact me asking what exactly
>this means. I agree with their concerns: this is strange language to use,
>is not reflected in our bylaws, and frankly does not fit the image I
>presented when I first contacted them asking if they would accept a
>nomination.

one may translate it to: being responsible of/taking care for the wealth and 
integrity of foundation based 
upon the principles and bylaws.

>It may be a language barrier or simply a misunderstanding, but can we
>clarify what is meant by using this kind of verbiage, and consider a
>re-wording?

I tend to keep it as it is. rewording would mean involving the charter members 
as this related to them.

Kind regards
Helmut

OSGeo charter member
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[Jonathan Moules]

Following this, I wondered about the actual numbers, and the size of those 
"barge-loads" of money.
Given we're to a large degree talking around ESRI, the simple option is to look 
at their most recent UK accounts (I know where to easily find UK ones):
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/01288342/filing-history/MzE1MjUzMTc5MGFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0
 (PDF)

They show £50 million in revenue in 2015, with £22 million of that being "Cost 
of Sales". If my very basic accounting knowledge is correct (possibly not, but 
google did help), this is money ESRI have paid to others for goods they've 
sold, i.e. software licenses given they don't sell physical widgets. It doesn't 
include their own admin costs.

Some of that £22 million is going to be going to their partners (Oracle are 
known for their exorbitant licenses after all), but I'd be surprised if less 
than £15 million of that is going to the ESRI US mothership.

Of that say about half is coming from the public sector, that's about £7 
million (which is a conservative guess IMHO - ESRI UK will probably have kept a 
portion after all too which won't be in the £22 million). It's not a massive 
number, but it's not chump change either. Steven's 0.01% is still a lot if the 
absolute numbers are large.
By contract, I can think of a few Open Surce projects that would love to 
benefit from a portion of £7 million a year spent, and everyone would benefit. 
(Or it could reduce taxes for everyone in the UK by about 10p a person per 
year! :-)  ).

Cheers,
Jonathan

(Disclaimer - guesswork in the above; don't cite me.)




 On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 13:38:59 +0100 Luí­s Moreira de 
Sousa wrote  

Dear all,



In my experience maintenance and operational costs are far higher with 
proprietary software than with open source. With some licenced products 
operational costs are actually the largest slice of the budget. But well, that 
is only the experience of a single individual.



However, in these matters we should always apply a macroscopic view. It is far 
more rational to hire a local company to maintain and develop a particular open 
source solution, than to send barge-loads of money overseas on licence fees. 
Open source can be employed as a powerful economic policy tool, directing 
investment and job creation to where they are most needed. 



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[Luí­s Moreira de Sousa]

Dear all,

In my experience maintenance and operational costs are far higher with 
proprietary software than with open source. With some licenced products 
operational costs are actually the largest slice of the budget. But well, that 
is only the experience of a single individual.

However, in these matters we should always apply a macroscopic view. It is far 
more rational to hire a local company to maintain and develop a particular open 
source solution, than to send barge-loads of money overseas on licence fees. 
Open source can be employed as a powerful economic policy tool, directing 
investment and job creation to where they are most needed.

Cheers.
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[Arnulf Christl]

Kiringai,
thanks for your thoughts but I cannot quite follow your argument. Or
rather, you are just reiterating an old claim by some proprietary
vendors stating that their software provides more operations security
/due to being developed in a proprietary model/. This claim has never
been evidenced and probably cannot be proven anyway.

Please excuse me if I misunderstood your argument.

Thanks,
Arnulf

Am 29.03.2017 um 05:50 schrieb Kiringai Kamau:
> Steven this has been the experience of many corporates as theyrise the   
> ladder of visibility. Indeed from an operations security perspective 
> proprietary solutions end up being cheaper and secure making corporates 
> migrate to proprietary ones. 
>
> However, if the desire is to just collect data fir value added analytics it's 
> best to retain the open source dynamic. Proper planning always guides the 
> best model to use. 
>
> Kiringai 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 25 Mar 2017, at 20:06, Steven Feldman  wrote:
>>
>> Implementation, customisation, integration, training, ongoing support, 
>> maintenance and hosting are the main costs regardless of whether the 
>> underlying software is proprietary or open source
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[Kiringai Kamau]

Steven this has been the experience of many corporates as theyrise the   ladder 
of visibility. Indeed from an operations security perspective proprietary 
solutions end up being cheaper and secure making corporates migrate to 
proprietary ones. 

However, if the desire is to just collect data fir value added analytics it's 
best to retain the open source dynamic. Proper planning always guides the best 
model to use. 

Kiringai 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Mar 2017, at 20:06, Steven Feldman  wrote:
> 
> Implementation, customisation, integration, training, ongoing support, 
> maintenance and hosting are the main costs regardless of whether the 
> underlying software is proprietary or open source
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[Suchith Anand]

ce of voiceless is given chance 
to be heard.

For me,  Openness means being open to different perspectives ,ideas, 
viewpoints, cultures  and learning and improving to be a better human every 
day...

Best wishes,

Suchith


[1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-June/014405.html

[2] 
http://opensourcegeospatial.icaci.org/2015/06/open-gis-academics-and-educators-please-apply-to-aag-call-before-june-15th-2015/


From: Steven Feldman 
Sent: 26 March 2017 6:29 PM
To: Anand Suchith
Cc: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] (no subject)

Suchith

You mention "high cost of GIS software procurement for governments”. I am not 
sure how you are measuring this “high” cost and against what? For most local 
government bodies (in the developed world) I would expect the cost of GI 
software to be 0.1% to 0.2% of total budget and less for a central government 
department. I don’t consider this to be “high” but of course as taxpayers many 
of us would like expenditure to be lower whether it is on software or people or 
...

My experience of procurement is based on the UK but probably applies to much of 
Europe. All but the smallest procurements are governed by EU regulations and 
are pretty testing for vendors (regardless of whether they offer proprietary or 
open source solutions) and have a high degree of transparency and fairness. 
Typically cost will be one of the two main criteria on which bids are 
evaluated, the other being quality.

The gvSIG community is impressive, on what do you base "created  thousands of  
jobs”? That is more than I estimated for the whole FOSS4G ecosystem last year.

I agree that in circumstances where an organisation wants to deploy thousands 
of desktops, an open source GI desktop may well save money compared to the cost 
of a proprietary licensed product particularly if the organisation can provide 
training and support from internal resources. This could be the case in the 
education sector. But, and this is a big but most government departments are 
moving away from desktop GI to server based solutions and in those 
circumstances the costs of implementation, integration, support and hosting 
will substantially exceed any costs of licenses.

I spend much of my working time advocating and marketing open source GI and, in 
the past, I have also built a very successful business based on proprietary 
software. The choices that customers make are based on a wide range of 
criteria, there is no one right choice and it is a misunderstanding of 
sophisticated buyers to suggest that they have in some way been mislead by 
vendors whether they are proprietary or open source.

Let’s grow the usage of Open Source GI through positive advocacy of its 
benefits, investment of time and money in high quality marketing and an 
understanding of and respect for the strengths of our competitors.

Best
__
Steven


On 26 Mar 2017, at 07:53, Suchith Anand 
mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Hi Steven,

Thank you for your email and information.  I am an educator and researcher. I  
have zero knowledge or expertise in software sales or software procurement  .I 
do not know the answers but i am sure by harnessing the collective wisdom of 
the community we will be able find the best ideas  for bringing down high cost 
of GIS software procurement for governments for cost savings of tax payer money 
and create innovation opportunities for all.

There needs to be detailed study on how we can bring down high GIS software 
costs  for govenments worldwide . Governments are are one of the biggest 
spenders and it is all hardworking taxpayers money from cleaners to teachers, 
hence it is important to think of cost savings . My gut feeling is if there are 
open and transparent procurement systems and lot of competition (no vendor 
monopolies), then GIS software implementation costs will come down and also 
create lot of innovation and value added opportunities for big companies as 
well as SMEs. There need to be best practice sharing  globally. For example i  
am interested to understand more about  gvSIG ecosystem[1] in Spain and other 
similar examples . gvSIG didn't create any Billionaires or multi Billionaires 
(that was not its purpose) but it did create lot of innovation  , helped  local 
governments , created  thousands of  jobs and a vibrant ecosystem and 
community. More importanly for me, it helped create gvSIG Batovi which went on 
to provide high quality spatial education opportunities for millions of poor 
students in Uruguay and other countries.

I know good examples of large scale IT projects done with low cost in my state 
Kerala in India ( we are a developing country with lot of resource constraints 
). For example IT@School project [1]  (which is World’s largest simultaneous 
deployment of FOSS based ICT education). It is running for over a decade now 
benifitting over 12,000 schools,  about 60 lakh students, 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] (no subject)

[Steven Feldman]

 get involved in 
> this! 
> 
> So as i told my knowledge in this is very limited, so i am depending on 
> experts like you to help guide me.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Suchith
> 
> [1] http://www.gvsig.com/ <http://www.gvsig.com/>
> 
> [2] https://itschool.gov.in/glance.php <https://itschool.gov.in/glance.php> 
> 
> From: Discuss  <mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>> on behalf of Steven Feldman 
> mailto:shfeld...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: 25 March 2017 5:06 PM
> To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] (no subject)
> 
> It is important to note that the cost of licences in a solution (i.e. 
> something more than a simple desktop implementation) are only a part of the 
> overall cost and in many cases, in my experience, a small part.
> 
> Implementation, customisation, integration, training, ongoing support, 
> maintenance and hosting are the main costs regardless of whether the 
> underlying software is proprietary or open source
> 
> My experience of selling to the public sector is that, on occasions, 
> proprietary solutions have been lower cost than open source.
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
> > On 24 Mar 2017, at 19:00, discuss-requ...@lists.osgeo.org 
> > <mailto:discuss-requ...@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
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> >  properitery product as Open ? (Suchith Anand)
> >   2. Re: Wiki: InfrastructurePreferencesStatusQuo - call for
> >  update (Vicky Vergara)
> >   3. Ideas for the building global research agenda for Geospatial
> >  Data Science (Suchith Anand)
> >   4. Re: Is it possible for properitery GIS vendor to market thier
> >  properitery product as Open? (Steven Feldman)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:51:53 +
> > From: Suchith Anand  > <mailto:suchith.an...@nottingham.ac.uk>>
> > To: María Arias de Reyna  > <mailto:delawen+os...@gmail.com>>, Luí­s Moreira
> >de Sousa  > <mailto:luis.de.so...@protonmail.ch>>
> > Cc: "discuss@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>" 
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> > +1 .
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> >
> > I am also interested in how we can protect taxpayers money in this. The 
> > need for cost savings by using Open source GIS software will help the local 
> > authorities and various government departments across Europe in reducing 
> > huge licence fee costs for proprietary software and  Government and 
> > taxpayers as a whole will benefit from cost efficiencies, reduce the cost 
> > of lock-in to suppliers and products. This is especially important for 
> > future IT investments (for example Cloud Computing) , so that more options 
> > are explored and choices available. I presented my ideas on the importance 
> > of having a National level strategy for Open Principles in Geospatial [1] . 
> > Overview slides are at 
> > https://www.slideshare.net/SuchithAnand/national-level-strategy-for-open-principles-in-geospatial
> >  
> > <https://www.slideshare.net/SuchithAnand/national-level-strategy-for-open-principles-in-geospatial>
> >
> >
> >
> > It is my duty as a global citizen to work on this  so that all our future 
> > genera

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[Suchith Anand]

Hi Steven,

Thank you for your email and information.  I am an educator and researcher. I  
have zero knowledge or expertise in software sales or software procurement  .I 
do not know the answers but i am sure by harnessing the collective wisdom of 
the community we will be able find the best ideas  for bringing down high cost 
of GIS software procurement for governments for cost savings of tax payer money 
and create innovation opportunities for all.

There needs to be detailed study on how we can bring down high GIS software 
costs  for govenments worldwide . Governments are are one of the biggest 
spenders and it is all hardworking taxpayers money from cleaners to teachers, 
hence it is important to think of cost savings . My gut feeling is if there are 
open and transparent procurement systems and lot of competition (no vendor 
monopolies), then GIS software implementation costs will come down and also 
create lot of innovation and value added opportunities for big companies as 
well as SMEs. There need to be best practice sharing  globally. For example i  
am interested to understand more about  gvSIG ecosystem[1] in Spain and other 
similar examples . gvSIG didn't create any Billionaires or multi Billionaires 
(that was not its purpose) but it did create lot of innovation  , helped  local 
governments , created  thousands of  jobs and a vibrant ecosystem and 
community. More importanly for me, it helped create gvSIG Batovi which went on 
to provide high quality spatial education opportunities for millions of poor 
students in Uruguay and other countries.

I know good examples of large scale IT projects done with low cost in my state 
Kerala in India ( we are a developing country with lot of resource constraints 
). For example IT@School project [1]  (which is World’s largest simultaneous 
deployment of FOSS based ICT education). It is running for over a decade now 
benifitting over 12,000 schools,  about 60 lakh students, 6 million students 
and 20 teachers.There are costs for implementation, customisation (we have 
local language- Malayalam), integration, training, ongoing support, maintenance 
and it is all done locally and innovation ecosystems have been created locally. 
  More importantly we can scale this up easily to millions of schools as needed 
and there is no fear of vendor lock -in. Thank God that major software vendors 
or sellers  didn't get involved in this!

So as i told my knowledge in this is very limited, so i am depending on experts 
like you to help guide me.

Best wishes,

Suchith

[1] http://www.gvsig.com/


[2] https://itschool.gov.in/glance.php


From: Discuss  on behalf of Steven Feldman 

Sent: 25 March 2017 5:06 PM
To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] (no subject)

It is important to note that the cost of licences in a solution (i.e. something 
more than a simple desktop implementation) are only a part of the overall cost 
and in many cases, in my experience, a small part.

Implementation, customisation, integration, training, ongoing support, 
maintenance and hosting are the main costs regardless of whether the underlying 
software is proprietary or open source

My experience of selling to the public sector is that, on occasions, 
proprietary solutions have been lower cost than open source.

Steven


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[Steven Feldman]

It is important to note that the cost of licences in a solution (i.e. something 
more than a simple desktop implementation) are only a part of the overall cost 
and in many cases, in my experience, a small part. 

Implementation, customisation, integration, training, ongoing support, 
maintenance and hosting are the main costs regardless of whether the underlying 
software is proprietary or open source

My experience of selling to the public sector is that, on occasions, 
proprietary solutions have been lower cost than open source. 

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> I am also interested in how we can protect taxpayers money in this. The need 
> for cost savings by using Open source GIS software will help the local 
> authorities and various government departments across Europe in reducing huge 
> licence fee costs for proprietary software and  Government and taxpayers as a 
> whole will benefit from cost efficiencies, reduce the cost of lock-in to 
> suppliers and products. This is especially important for future IT 
> investments (for example Cloud Computing) , so that more options are explored 
> and choices available. I presented my ideas on the importance of having a 
> National level strategy for Open Principles in Geospatial [1] . Overview 
> slides are at 
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> It is my duty as a global citizen to work on this  so that all our future 
> generations are empowered fully. Let us plan to meet and discuss ideas at 
> FOSS4G -Europe for making OSGeo European chapter.
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> Best wishes,
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> I believe we need a regulatory framework for "open source" labelling; 
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[Brad Hards]

> 3.The best resolution of Sentinel-2 data in four channels is 10 meters.
> This is the upper limit of the spatial resolution that can be used for 
> monitoring
> of urban areas. And even only for undeveloped urban areas and inter-
> settlement territories. On the territory of a thick building the image turns 
> into
> mess, and to obtain useful results it should be used paid high resolution
> images. Where (if it is possible) can we download these satellite's 
> (Sentinel)
> images, I mean from open resources?
This is the native resolution of the satellite sensor. "It is what it is."

> 4.There is a big problem with data processing in free open source
> software (SNAP, GRASS GIS, etc.). There is no any documentation and
> understandable skills of Sentinel using, that is why all actions, making in 
> these
> software, are delayed for a long time and often do not lead to the expected
> result.
http://step.esa.int/main/doc/tutorials/sentinel-2-toolbox-tutorials/ may help

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[Юлия Иванова]

Hello.
During a current research and development on the topic processing of remote 
sensing data (on the scale of the city and for the purpose of urban planning 
and projection), my team and I faced with a list of problems, some questions, 
that are eager to find answers.
*  Sentinel-2 Data is downloaded in jpeg 2000 format, which is compressed 
format and at preservation in this format there is the loss of the images 
quality. Initially, Sentinel-1, 2, 3 Data should be free and accessible. But in 
fact, we could hardly download the products in the format jpeg2000. But it is 
impossible to process this images – the quality is horrible (we need more than 
10 m/pxl).
*  Found significant difficulties with the selection of Sentinel images. 
Sentinel is a research project, so the satellites fly and automatically capture 
images the whole territory. Among the array of historical data are very few 
appropriate images. For each pilot cities, we managed to pick up only per 1 
image for 2016. The rest are either in the wrong season or have a high 
cloudiness (95% of the image). 
Found images do not cover the whole territory of one frame of the city, and the 
selection of the missing gaps is not possible due to the above indicated 
problems. It is understandable, how to conduct regular monitoring in these 
conditions. This leads to the idea that it is necessary to order satellite 
imagery. Do you know, whom to contact about Sentinels and whether it is 
possible to get from them the special, under the order images?
*  The best resolution of Sentinel-2 data in four channels is 10 meters. This 
is the upper limit of the spatial resolution that can be used for monitoring of 
urban areas. And even only for undeveloped urban areas and inter-settlement 
territories. On the territory of a thick building the image turns into mess, 
and to obtain useful results it should be used paid high resolution images. 
Where (if it is possible) can we download these satellite’s (Sentinel) images, 
I mean from open resources?
*  There is a big problem with data processing in free open source software 
(SNAP, GRASS GIS, etc.). There is no any documentation and understandable 
skills of  Sentinel using, that is why all actions, making in these software, 
are delayed for a long time and often do not lead to the expected result. 
Thank you in advance.

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[Lorenzo Bernardi]

Hi,
i'm trying to perfom a pansharpening process using the gdal_pansharpen tool.
I used the following code:

#!/usr/bin/env python
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-


import sys, os
from osgeo import gdal

def Usage():
print('Usage: gdal_pansharpen [--help-general] pan_dataset
{spectral_dataset[,band=num]}+ out_dataset')
print('   [-of format] [-b band]* [-w weight]*')
print('   [-r
{nearest,bilinear,cubic,cubicspline,lanczos,average}]')
print('   [-threads {ALL_CPUS|number}]
[-bitdepth val] [-nodata val]')
print('   [-spat_adjust
{union,intersection,none,nonewithoutwarning}]')
print('   [-verbose_vrt] [-co NAME=VALUE]* [-q]')
print('')
print('Create a dataset resulting from a pansharpening operation.')
return -1


def gdal_pansharpen(argv):

argv = gdal.GeneralCmdLineProcessor( argv )
if argv is None:
return -1

pan_name = None
last_name = None
spectral_ds = []
spectral_bands = []
out_name = None
bands = []
weights = []
format = 'VRT'
creation_options = []
callback = gdal.TermProgress
resampling = None
spat_adjust = None
verbose_vrt = False
num_threads = None
bitdepth = None
nodata = None

i = 1
argc = len(argv)
while i < argc:
if argv[i] == '-of' and i < len(argv)-1:
format = argv[i+1]
print("format " + format)
i = i + 1
elif argv[i] == '-r' and i < len(argv)-1:
resampling = argv[i+1]
print("resampling " + resampling)
i = i + 1
elif argv[i] == '-spat_adjust' and i < len(argv)-1:
spat_adjust = argv[i+1]
i = i + 1
elif argv[i] == '-b' and i < len(argv)-1:
bands.append(int(argv[i+1]))
i = i + 1
elif argv[i] == '-w' and i < len(argv)-1:
weights.append(float(argv[i+1]))
i = i + 1
elif argv[i] == '-co' and i < len(argv)-1:
creation_options.append(argv[i+1])
i = i + 1
elif argv[i] == '-threads' and i < len(argv)-1:
num_threads = argv[i+1]
i = i + 1
elif argv[i] == '-bitdepth' and i < len(argv)-1:
bitdepth = argv[i+1]
i = i + 1
elif argv[i] == '-nodata' and i < len(argv)-1:
nodata = argv[i+1]
i = i + 1
elif argv[i] == '-q':
callback = None
elif argv[i] == '-verbose_vrt':
verbose_vrt = True
elif argv[i][0] == '-':
sys.stderr.write('Unrecognized option : %s\n' % argv[i])
return Usage()
elif pan_name is None:
pan_name = argv[i]
pan_ds = gdal.Open(pan_name)
if pan_ds is None:
return 1
else:
if last_name is not None:
pos = last_name.find(',band=')
if pos > 0:
spectral_name = last_name[0:pos]
ds = gdal.Open(spectral_name)
if ds is None:
return 1
band_num = int(last_name[pos+len(',band='):])
band = ds.GetRasterBand(band_num)
spectral_ds.append(ds)
spectral_bands.append(band)
else:
spectral_name = last_name
ds = gdal.Open(spectral_name)
if ds is None:
return 1
for j in range(ds.RasterCount):
spectral_ds.append(ds)
spectral_bands.append(ds.GetRasterBand(j+1))

last_name = argv[i]

i = i + 1
if pan_name is None or len(spectral_bands) == 0:
return Usage()
out_name = last_name
if len(bands) == 0:
bands = [ j+1 for j in range(len(spectral_bands)) ]
else:
for i in range(len(bands)):
if bands[i] < 0 or bands[i] > len(spectral_bands):
print('Invalid band number in -b: %d' % bands[i])
return 1

if len(weights) != 0 and len(weights) != len(spectral_bands):
print('There must be as many -w values specified as input
spectral bands')
return 1




vrt_xml = """\n"""
if bands != [ j+1 for j in range(len(spectral_bands)) ]:
for i in range(len(bands)):
band = spectral_bands[bands[i]-1]
datatype = gdal.GetDataTypeName(band.DataType)
colorname =
gdal.GetColorInterpretationName(band.GetColorInterpretation())
vrt_xml += """  
  %s
  \n""" % (datatype, i+1, colorname)

vrt_xml += """  \n"""
if len(weights) != 0:
vrt_xml += """  \n"""
vrt_xml += """"""
for i in range(len(weights)):
if i > 0: vrt_xml += ","
vrt_xml += "%.16g" % weights[i]
vrt_xml += "\n"
 

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 +1 rashad suites the osgeo charter.



Its been a pleasure knowing Rashad. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From:
 
 Venkatesh Raghavan ; 
 
 To:
 
 Chaitanya kumar CH ; Margherita Di Leo 
; 
 
 Cc:
 
 OSGeo Discussions ; ; Rashad M 
; 
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2014] Nomination for Mohammed Rashad 
 
 Sent:
 
 Tue, Jul 22, 2014 2:14:56 PM 
 
 
 
 On 2014/07/22 21:29, Chaitanya kumar CH
 wrote:
 
 
 +1
 
 +1 
 Venka
 
 


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Margherita Di Leo <
dileomargher...@gmail.com> wrote:


 
 Dear CRO and OSGeo people,

I wish to nominate Mohammed Rashad [1,2] for OSGeo Charter membership.

Rashad is from Kerala, India. He is currently at the end of his internship
at CNES [3], Toulouse and completing his master degree at IIIT Hyderabad
[4].

He started working on GRASS GIS for his engineering project, a web
application deployed using Cartoweb PHP framework and GRASS GIS. When he
started his master at IIIT Hyderabad, he began working on a collaborative
mapping platform called VRGeo [5] (Village Resource Geo data repository),
LSIViewer and WebGRASS. He participated in GSoC 2012 and 2013 for OSSIM
projects under OSGeo.

Currently he is working in OTB and OSSIM python bindings. Moreover, he
packages GRASS GIS and OSSIM for Ubuntu PPA [6]. He's always helpful with
users through the various ML and GIS Stack Exchange[7].

With my best regards,
Margherita Di Leo
OSGeo Charter Member [8]


[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Rashad";>http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Rashad
[2] http://rashadkm.wordpress.com/";>http://rashadkm.wordpress.com/
[3] http://www.cnes.fr/";>www.cnes.fr/
[4] http://lsi.iiit.ac.in/";>http://lsi.iiit.ac.in/
[5] http://vrgeo.in/";>http://vrgeo.in/
[6] https://github.com/rashadkm/";>https://github.com/rashadkm/
[7] http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/10212/rashad";>http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/10212/rashad
[8] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Madi";>http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Madi


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Best regards,

Dr. Margherita DI LEO
Scientific / technical project officer

European Commission - DG JRC
Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES)
Via Fermi, 2749
I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261

Tel. +39 0332 78 3600
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Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not
in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the
European Commission.

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[Harish]

Thanks for kind information about such a useful course.
Regards


On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Ravi Kumar wrote:

> Dear all,
> Researchers / students may choose to attend a completely funded OSGeo
> India, FOSS GIS -3- week winter school at IIIT Hyderabad, India.
> We would like to request you to please send in Applications/Nominations
> (Indian Nationals) of potential participants who can benefit from attending
> this winter school using the online Registration form at
> http://lsi.iiit.ac.in/winterschool/registration.php
> Participants will be selected by a Selection Committee. The last date for
> Applications are 29th Dec 2013(sunday)
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> Cheers
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Ministry of Rural Development, Government of India
Jaipur, Rajasthan, India- Pin-302006

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Email- hksola...@nird.gov.in, harry.om2...@gmail.com,
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[Ravi Kumar]

Dear all,
Researchers / students may choose to attend a completely funded OSGeo India, 
FOSS GIS -3- week winter school at IIIT Hyderabad, India.

We would like to request you to please send in Applications/Nominations (Indian 
Nationals) of potential participants who can benefit from attending this winter 
school using the online Registration form at 
http://lsi.iiit.ac.in/winterschool/registration.php 

Participants will be selected by a Selection Committee. The last date for 
Applications are 29th Dec 2013(sunday)


For more details, including course content, please see 
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» every second is a precious moment
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Hello Gentlemen,

How can I put a background image and translate to Portuguese mapguide?
I'm using the mapguide 2.2 and as a management tool Maestro 4.

Thank you all,

Marcelo
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Peter,

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Good day,

 

I should like to post to your list please.

 

Best,

 

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Kowloon

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Security, Government & Infrastructure (SG&I).  Intergraph PP&M provides 
enterprise engineering software for the design, construction and operation of 
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government, transportation, photogrammetry, utilities and communications 
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Reminder to those requesting demo theatre slots this week - please
review the schedule:
- http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Demonstration_Theatre

And indicate a time preference (you may be committed to the poster
session; or have a presentation right after to get ready for etc...).

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[ett001]

 Have any of you successfully created and AVL (and/or routing) application
using MapGuide?  I am interested in the capabilities with and without
AutoDesk MapGuide Enterprise. 

 

Thanks,

 

 

Ted

 

 

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