Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-05-06 Thread P Kishor
On 5/6/08, Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 11:00:54PM +0200, Dirk Frigne wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 08:21:21PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote: What was a Desktop GIS exactly? I only have a browser and for some strange reason all that I do

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-29 Thread Mohamed Ghareeb
Concerning OpenJump it is really good but I couldn't make a pie chart map with it as I could do with Arcview 3.x I added the charts plugin but I think It doesn't classify the size of charts symbol. Does anyone can do it by any open-source GIS? Mohamed Mostafa -Original Message- From:

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-29 Thread Randy George
I know this is not OS but GoogleChart is easy to use: http://code.google.com/apis/chart/ http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=p3chd=t:20,40,30,10chs=250x100chl= Hello|World|of|Google and it can be used to add chart icons for use in online mapping interfaces, not necessarily Google's, and not

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread Wolf Bergenheim
On 26.04.2008 08:44, Cameron Shorter wrote: Ravi, What us Open Source evangelists are missing is an honest comparison between ESRI desktop applications and Open Source equivalents. This has been done somewhat. You might find it interesting reading. --Wolf Original Message

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread RAVI KUMAR
Hi Cameron, the table of comparison is informative. Most of the ARC-GIS users (my personal view) are Vector GIS users. They are concerned of 1. Registration of Paper maps into GIS 2. Attribution 3. Analysis depending on their need. CAD 4. Outputs of the above are also to be plotted in elegant

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread Malte Halbey-Martin
Hi, IMHO the most barrier for people using OS GIS is the lack of a user friendly interface, especially for map production and digitising. I know that this has been stated before in this thread, but I want stress this point out. I'm working as as supporter and software trainer for a software

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread Saka Royban
ٍExcellent discussion. I have been an ArcGIS user and now i am transferring to OS. in my opinion, the best point of ArcGIS is that you everything in 1 package = simplifying tasks about OS, at least i see no difference in Web-GIS domain. OS softwares like UMN mapserver and Mapguide OS sometimes

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-26 Thread Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas
2008/4/26 Saka Royban [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ٍExcellent discussion. I have been an ArcGIS user and now i am transferring to OS. in my opinion, the best point of ArcGIS is that you everything in 1 package = simplifying tasks about OS, at least i see no difference in Web-GIS domain. OS softwares

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Paul Ramsey ha scritto: I'd buck up for a copy of ArcView (much cheaper than ArcGIS), and use GRASS / PostGIS / etc tools for things like analysis. You can use ArcView to generate the paper and do some quick low-end analytics and the other tools for more involved stuff. A reasonably good

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Paolo Cavallini
George R. C. Silva ha scritto: One thing GIS OS software could have are better editing tools. I do miss them alot, and the one is ArcGIS are unbeatable (i dont know any O.S. software that have 'autocomplete polygon', tons of snapping options, etc - btw, if you do, let me know). Have you

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Paul Ramsey
Paolo, Among the things that QGIS (and other open source desktops) can't do are a table join, a spatial join, high quality paper output, and symbolized thematic mapping. Particular drawbacks of QGIS include the single-threaded user interface model (ui locks during render, making work with large

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Wolf Bergenheim
On 25.04.2008 17:55, Paul Ramsey wrote: Paolo, Among the things that QGIS (and other open source desktops) can't do are a table join, a spatial join I'm not sure what you mean with spatial join, but if you mean overlay, and raster combination GRASS can do, and it can also do table joins,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread andrea antonello
Among the things that QGIS (and other open source desktops) can't do are a table join, a spatial join I'm not sure what you mean with spatial join, but if you mean overlay, and raster combination GRASS can do, and it can also do table joins, while it overlays two vector layers. In

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)
I agree with some of the other responses that challenge the way of traditional thinking. Desktop GIS, Web and Databases are the tools of today - it's interesting to watch the various ways they come together (collide?) in projects. If you look to replace desktop proprietary options, you

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Arnulf Christl
andrea antonello wrote: Among the things that QGIS (and other open source desktops) can't do are a table join, a spatial join I'm not sure what you mean with spatial join, but if you mean overlay, and raster combination GRASS can do, and it can also do table joins, while it overlays two

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 08:21:21PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote: What was a Desktop GIS exactly? I only have a browser and for some strange reason all that I do starts with an http://... A Desktop GIS is what you switch to when you realize that the browser makes a really poor operating system,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Arnulf Christl
On Fri, April 25, 2008 20:51, Christopher Schmidt wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 08:21:21PM +0200, Arnulf Christl wrote: What was a Desktop GIS exactly? I only have a browser and for some strange reason all that I do starts with an http://... A Desktop GIS is what you switch to when you

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread P Kishor
On 4/25/08, Arnulf Christl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Legacy GIS Architect In the world of neogeography punks, this is a nice throwback to the future. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread andrea antonello
I agree with Paul, power without control doesn't lead anywhere. GRASS is of huge power, but following my past commercial experiences, I Hehe, didn't you just say my past proprietary experiences? Sorry to be dense and all that... No worries, but I really meant: my past commercial

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread RAVI KUMAR
Hi, this is the kind of question I face when in my lectures evangelising OS GIS. ArcGIS has many tools, though some prefer to call it a deluge of tools, which almost distance the user from understanding the concept of GIS. Auto Complete Polygon: In Qgis which is a very userfriendly OS GIS you

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-25 Thread Cameron Shorter
Ravi, What us Open Source evangelists are missing is an honest comparison between ESRI desktop applications and Open Source equivalents. What is it about ArcView and ArcGIS that people really like, listed feature by feature in a table. Then identify whether Open Source covers it and how.

[OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Jennifer Horsman
The thread that was started today with the subject Your open source career got me thinking about asking a question that has been rolling around in my head. This is pointed at those people who have experience with ESRI products as well as OS GIS products. I have been a long-time user of ESRI

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Landon Blake
A convert! Welcome Jennifer. I can't speak for GRASS, but I know that OpenJUMP (http://jump-pilot.sourceforge.net/OpenJUMP.html) could be compared to the old 3.X Arcview. It has limited printing abilities at this point in time, but I don't think there is a better cross-platform tool for basic

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Paul Ramsey
I'd buck up for a copy of ArcView (much cheaper than ArcGIS), and use GRASS / PostGIS / etc tools for things like analysis. You can use ArcView to generate the paper and do some quick low-end analytics and the other tools for more involved stuff. My general synopsis: for server-side, for

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread David William Bitner
I would agree with Paul. The biggest hole in the FOSS stack is in easy, high quality printed map production. This is the one task where the Arc tools beat anything I have seen in FOSS GIS hands down. David On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Paul Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd buck up for

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Randy George
Sorry for the previous blank post. Open source is a great boon to small business innovation, as others have pointed out. Anyone dependent on small business consulting/contracting will have plenty of uses for open source tools. I have also used Jump in place of ArcView for shp

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread George R. C. Silva
Im a real novice in the OS world, and i´m enjoying. I´m liking what i see! ESRI has good software, but the world of OS is just great and i love the flexibility i have. One thing GIS OS software could have are better editing tools. I do miss them alot, and the one is ArcGIS are unbeatable (i

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Josh Livni
If you want nice cartographic output, ArcMap on a totally different level than ArcView. I think I paid about 1k a few years ago for my copy (no extensions) through some reseller, which I really don't think is outlandish at all for what you get. That said, I rarely do paper-based

RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Randy George
It might be good to add a geoserver layer into the stack between PostGIS and client. Then you can publish into Google Earth, Google Maps, Virtual Earth/LiveMaps, or your own homegrown html, SVG, WPF, Silverlight whatever ... as well as OpenLayers. Paper can be the clients choice if you add a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Cameron Shorter
Joanne Cook provided good insights into replacing ArcGIS software with Open Source on the geowanking list recently. http://lists.burri.to/pipermail/geowanking/2008-April/005117.html (and copied below) I'd love to see all this expertise collated into an ESRI/Open Source comparison similar to

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread John Callahan
I've been an ESRI user (AV 3.x, ArcGIS 8/9, ArcIMS, ArcGIS Server, ArcSDE) for 12+ years and have recently started exploring FOSS software. And I haven't disagreed with any of the responses so far. You will definitely need multiple programs to do what a single ESRI program can do. IMO, this

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread Paul Ramsey
3) Storage and serving of very large (50+ GB) raster datasets. PostGIS does not support rasters yet; Oracle Spatial does though. I'm still not sure if storing rasters in a database is a good idea but ArcSDE sure makes it easy, and with good performance when used in conjunction with other

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Can I do the same GIS tasks with OS (as with ESRI)?

2008-04-24 Thread John Callahan
A few things... - As you alluded to, it's very easy to create a seamless mosaic, or a raster catalog. And pyramids (overviews) and statistics are created automatically, if you like. The same loading process works if you have a one IMG file at 2 GB, or 100 JPEGs at 100 MB each, or 2000 TIFs