Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-29 Thread Cameron Shorter
John, Your information here is fantastic, and I'd love to see it worked into a case study. This is the sort of information that Government departments ask for all the time. This Open Source stuff sounds great, but who else has used it? Are there any case studies that we can look over? If

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-28 Thread John Callahan
To follow up re: status of ArcIMS I just checked the ESRI site, clicked on Products, Server GIS and ArcIMS is nowhere to be found. As well, if you select Training and search for courses, you will find exactly zero instructor-led courses for ArcIMS. (ArcIMS is also listed under Other

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-27 Thread Bill Thoen
Thanks for the help folks, especially to John Callahan. That was the best description of the problem with the ESRI solution that I've seen to date. What they offer may be good or not --I don't have the experience to argue that point-- but they are even more expensive that I had imagined. I'm

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-27 Thread Chris Puttick
And don't forget to talk about the costs of exit. Becoming very popular in IT procurement discussions, that one. Openness means very low cost of exit, proprietary software licencing businesses are dependent on a high cost of exit. Proprietary software sales requires evidence of previous sales

[OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-26 Thread Bill Thoen
I need to make a case for developing a map and data server using Open Source software such as MapServer, Open Layers, PostgereSQL/PostGIS to counter a proposal to go with ESRI's solutions. The client who this would be directed to manages a lot of land parcels on which some development is

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-26 Thread Frans Thamura
i am glad if we can compare with GeoServer also :) F On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Bill Thoen bth...@gisnet.com wrote: I need to make a case for developing a map and data server using Open  Source software such as MapServer, Open Layers, PostgereSQL/PostGIS to  counter a proposal to go

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-26 Thread John Callahan
I've dealt with this question before but not quite with those specifics. Actually, I've had these issues from a different angle: people who already have the ESRI suite because their larger company or government agency purchased an ESRI enterprise license yet they were looking at open source

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-26 Thread Jody Garnett
A couple more suggestions: - make sure to include either tile server or geowebcache in the mix to minimize hardware costs - try and cost for a three year window in order to capture the respective difference in license costs - where ESRI is already used I normally do not suggest open source as an

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-26 Thread P Kishor
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:38 AM, John Callahan john.calla...@udel.edu wrote: I've dealt with this question before but not quite with those specifics.  Actually, I've had these issues from a different angle: people who already have the ESRI suite because their larger company or government agency

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparision between MapServer/OpenLayers and ESRI ArcIMS

2009-05-26 Thread John Callahan
A few more thoughts after reading your email again... I don't think an ESRI solution can do much of what you mention out of the box aside from creating basic ArcMap MXDs and ArcScene SXDs (used with 3D Analyst) that utilize database connections to ArcSDE. These only work in a LAN with access