Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)]

On 10-Aug-07, at 3:26 PM, Dave Patton wrote:


For example, one stat that I can think of would be the
total number of votes cast, and the percentage of those
votes represented by the elected members(collectively).


One stat that I think is most crucial to the discussion - the sum of  
votes of the 5 who were elected held 70% of the total votes cast.   
With 90% of voting members participating, it shows a strong common  
opinion.


Hope that helps.

Tyler
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Dave Patton]

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:


On 10-Aug-07, at 7:26 AM, Landon Blake wrote:


I wanted to add my agreement with a couple of the statements made on
this topic.

First of all, I agree with Gary, I don't think the benefit of releasing
the tallies outweighs the harmful side effects.


I'm just catching up on this thread, I didn't realise it was such a hot 
topic.  I'm all for debate about how to improve our processes, but I 
don't like the idea of changing a process after the fact.


I also agreed with the idea of not releasing a full ordered list with 
vote tallies.


There may be some limited set of statistics that could
be compiled and released, without being viewed as
'changing the process'? If practical, a limited set
for this year may crystallize the debate for next
year, by providing a 'target' (i.e. Were last years
voting stats enough? If not, what should be added?).

For example, one stat that I can think of would be the
total number of votes cast, and the percentage of those
votes represented by the elected members(collectively).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Tamas Szekeres]

Hi All,

It seems I've generated an inadvertent influence by proposing this
option. I didn't want to embarrass any of the nominees on the contrary
seeing a little difference between x any y would show up more about
the results than knowing that x have been elected and y have not. But
indeed this behaviour could also be reflected by extracting some
statistical results as well, so eventually there's no need to publish
the votes one by one so as to find out more about the voting itself.

I would also support to enhance the process how the charter members
will get to know more about the nominees and the desired viewpoints to
be taken into account when voting, so as to make sure about the
benefit with the selection the OSGEO community will obtain.

Best regards,

Tamas Szekeres
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Landon Blake]

Tyler wrote: " I have thought about this too and agree.  We could even
open this up to receive ideas from the membership at large, then boil it
down to a reasonable set.

I had hoped there would be more discussion/debate about the candidates
before the voting started - there was barely any - but having a selected
set of required questions would help to serve the same purpose next
time."

I would be more than willing to help with this process before our next
election.

Landon

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On 10-Aug-07, at 7:26 AM, Landon Blake wrote:

> I wanted to add my agreement with a couple of the statements made on
> this topic.
>
> First of all, I agree with Gary, I don't think the benefit of  
> releasing
> the tallies outweighs the harmful side effects.

I'm just catching up on this thread, I didn't realise it was such a  
hot topic.  I'm all for debate about how to improve our processes,  
but I don't like the idea of changing a process after the fact.

I also agreed with the idea of not releasing a full ordered list with  
vote tallies.  I didn't even provide the top 5 in order of rank,  
instead did it in alphabetical order.  Otherwise, all you would get  
is a relative ordering of people versus other people.  Did someone  
vote more for one person because of their geographical location?  Or  
because there were better known or better qualified?  Or because they  
thought they had the best chance of winning?  Or did they like  
everyone but chose them randomly?

You could infer a reason for the order, but it would be pure  
speculation without knowing from every voter what they were  
thinking.  So, in the end, I believe that the number of votes is  
meaningless except to appease curiosity.  If we eventually move to an  
online system for managing elections then I'm sure the topic will  
come up again, as will the questions of giving multiple votes to one  
nominee or for voting for yourself.  All good issue worthy of debate,  
in my opinion.

> Perhaps an interesting approach at the next election
> would be to have the nominees answer a set of questions selected from
> the charter members. We could post each nominee's answer to the
> questions on the wiki.

I have thought about this too and agree.  We could even open this up  
to receive ideas from the membership at large, then boil it down to a  
reasonable set.

I had hoped there would be more discussion/debate about the  
candidates before the voting started - there was barely any - but  
having a selected set of required questions would help to serve the  
same purpose next time.

Sincerely,
Tyler
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)]

On 10-Aug-07, at 7:26 AM, Landon Blake wrote:


I wanted to add my agreement with a couple of the statements made on
this topic.

First of all, I agree with Gary, I don't think the benefit of  
releasing

the tallies outweighs the harmful side effects.


I'm just catching up on this thread, I didn't realise it was such a  
hot topic.  I'm all for debate about how to improve our processes,  
but I don't like the idea of changing a process after the fact.


I also agreed with the idea of not releasing a full ordered list with  
vote tallies.  I didn't even provide the top 5 in order of rank,  
instead did it in alphabetical order.  Otherwise, all you would get  
is a relative ordering of people versus other people.  Did someone  
vote more for one person because of their geographical location?  Or  
because there were better known or better qualified?  Or because they  
thought they had the best chance of winning?  Or did they like  
everyone but chose them randomly?


You could infer a reason for the order, but it would be pure  
speculation without knowing from every voter what they were  
thinking.  So, in the end, I believe that the number of votes is  
meaningless except to appease curiosity.  If we eventually move to an  
online system for managing elections then I'm sure the topic will  
come up again, as will the questions of giving multiple votes to one  
nominee or for voting for yourself.  All good issue worthy of debate,  
in my opinion.



Perhaps an interesting approach at the next election
would be to have the nominees answer a set of questions selected from
the charter members. We could post each nominee's answer to the
questions on the wiki.


I have thought about this too and agree.  We could even open this up  
to receive ideas from the membership at large, then boil it down to a  
reasonable set.


I had hoped there would be more discussion/debate about the  
candidates before the voting started - there was barely any - but  
having a selected set of required questions would help to serve the  
same purpose next time.


Sincerely,
Tyler
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Landon Blake]

I wanted to add my agreement with a couple of the statements made on
this topic.

First of all, I agree with Gary, I don't think the benefit of releasing
the tallies outweighs the harmful side effects.

Secondly, I think it would be a great idea to release a map showing the
location of the board members that voted.

Thirdly, I know that I voted for the members that I was the most
familiar with. Perhaps an interesting approach at the next election
would be to have the nominees answer a set of questions selected from
the charter members. We could post each nominee's answer to the
questions on the wiki.

For example, we might ask the nominee what the GIS free software
community's greatest challenge is, and what role they think the OSGeo
should have in overcoming this challenge.

The Sunburned Surveyor

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What purpose is served by displaying the results in this way? I see
absolutely no benefit, other than to create an ad-hoc popularity  
contest to see who beat out whom.

What lessons can be learned from having the tally known? How can it  
benefit
OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people from running in the  
future?

The votes were not posted publicly, we know who won, leave it at that.

If the final tally by person is made public, will we next ask to see  
how each charter member voted?

This is beyond openness.

-gary

(Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no this has nothing to  
do with my position on this issue)


On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

> P Kishor wrote:
>> In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the
>> charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While
>> embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running
>> for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the
>> votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more
>> interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the  
>> pattern
>> of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more.
>
> Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...)
>
> I don't have a strong opinion on this.  If someone would like to take
> this issue formally to the board I would encourage you to write up a
> position in the wiki and add it as a topic for the next board meeting
> agenda at:
>
>   http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting
>
> If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on behalf of the issue
> for the next board meeting.  Alternatively, the topic could be  
> discussed
> at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe).  I
> can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one  
> exists.
>
> Of course, discussing here is fine too, but ultimately for action it
> is helpful for someone to "carry the ball".  I'm not going to be that
> person given a lack of enthusiasm about the idea.
>
> Best regards,
> -- 
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Michael P. Gerlek]

I too agree with Gary & Co.; I don't personally see the need to release
the results, and in
any case the "rules" for this past election were set and should not be
changed retroactively.

If we are interested in looking at geographic distributions -- and,
being geo geeks, who wouldn't be? -- then I'd suggest doing an analysis
of the set of charter members.  We have a statistically interesting
number of them, across three(?) elections, so one should be able to get
some insight into the question of geodiversity over time.

-mpg

 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RAVI KUMAR
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:54 PM
> To: discuss@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results
> 
> Hi All,
> I agree with Kishor. Seeing the geographical
> distribution of votes will be relevant.
> Ravi Kumar
> --- P Kishor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gary,
> > 
> > I was not the person who originally requested this,
> > but I did show
> > interest in this, so I am presenting my reason here,
> > for what they are
> > worth.
> > 
> > Actually, I am not even so much interested in seeing
> > who got how many
> > votes as I am in seeing the geographical
> > distribution of whence the
> > votes came from and where they went... if that could
> > be shown on the
> > map... or, if I can imagine it on a map.
> > 
> > For now, it is heavily weighted in North America and
> > Europe, and
> > rightly so... most of this technology was invented
> > in these regions,
> > most of the developers are from these regions, most
> > of the
> > implementations are in these regions, most of the
> > momentum in these
> > regions. In the long run, I would like to see OSGeo
> > spread its wings
> > on all corners of the globe. I am not trying to
> > hasten this process
> > artificially, but I am interested in seeing the
> > process itself, and
> > see it happen sooner rather than later... imagine...
> > if I could see a
> > time-lapse movie of open geospatial spreading around
> > the world!
> > 
> > For now, I am more interested in seeing where we
> > need to focus more,
> > encourage more activity, perhaps even do some
> > special hand-holding, if
> > required.
> > 
> > That is all of my reasoning. It is not crucial or
> > urgent, and there is
> > no other agenda -- if collectively it is decided
> > that not showing the
> > tally is better, I am cool with that as well...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 8/9/07, Gary Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > What purpose is served by displaying the results
> > in this way? I see
> > > absolutely no benefit, other than to create an
> > ad-hoc popularity
> > > contest to see who beat out whom.
> > >
> > > What lessons can be learned from having the tally
> > known? How can it
> > > benefit
> > > OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people
> > from running in the
> > > future?
> > >
> > > The votes were not posted publicly, we know who
> > won, leave it at that.
> > >
> > > If the final tally by person is made public, will
> > we next ask to see
> > > how each charter member voted?
> > >
> > > This is beyond openness.
> > >
> > > -gary
> > >
> > > (Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no
> > this has nothing to
> > > do with my position on this issue)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > P Kishor wrote:
> > > >> In the spirit of openness, it would be
> > worthwhile seeing where the
> > > >> charter members thought it best to cast their
> > votes. While
> > > >> embarrassment is a possible consequence, I
> > believe if I were running
> > > >> for a Board member, and if I lost, I would
> > still like to see the
> > > >> votes... I am not interested in seeing who
> > voted for who... I am more
> > > >> interested in seeing the voting pattern as a
> > reflection of the
> > > >> pattern
> > > >> of interest, awareness, and even a need for
> > doing more.
> > > >
> > > > Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...)
> > > >
> > > > I don't have a strong opinion on this.  If
> > someone would like to take
> 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Dr. Markus Lupp (Müller)]

Hi all,

I understand the point of Kishor and Ravi very well. I see a danger for 
OSGeo that it sticks inside its own circles as the exisiting member vote 
on the additional members. The result is that people usually vote the 
people they know well, so OSGeo might become something like a closed 
club. This is only natural and I do not see an easy solution to this 
(and I do not say it is like that - only that there is the danger). 
Helena's suggestion might help in this regard.


BTW -  was there ever the idea of limiting the amount of charter members 
that belong to one organisation? This might help in limiting the 
influence of some "tribes". ;-)



Best regards,

Markus


RAVI KUMAR schrieb:

Hi All,
I agree with Kishor. Seeing the geographical
distribution of votes will be relevant.
Ravi Kumar
--- P Kishor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Hi Gary,

I was not the person who originally requested this,
but I did show
interest in this, so I am presenting my reason here,
for what they are
worth.

Actually, I am not even so much interested in seeing
who got how many
votes as I am in seeing the geographical
distribution of whence the
votes came from and where they went... if that could
be shown on the
map... or, if I can imagine it on a map.

For now, it is heavily weighted in North America and
Europe, and
rightly so... most of this technology was invented
in these regions,
most of the developers are from these regions, most
of the
implementations are in these regions, most of the
momentum in these
regions. In the long run, I would like to see OSGeo
spread its wings
on all corners of the globe. I am not trying to
hasten this process
artificially, but I am interested in seeing the
process itself, and
see it happen sooner rather than later... imagine...
if I could see a
time-lapse movie of open geospatial spreading around
the world!

For now, I am more interested in seeing where we
need to focus more,
encourage more activity, perhaps even do some
special hand-holding, if
required.

That is all of my reasoning. It is not crucial or
urgent, and there is
no other agenda -- if collectively it is decided
that not showing the
tally is better, I am cool with that as well...



On 8/9/07, Gary Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What purpose is served by displaying the results
  

in this way? I see


absolutely no benefit, other than to create an
  

ad-hoc popularity


contest to see who beat out whom.

What lessons can be learned from having the tally
  

known? How can it


benefit
OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people
  

from running in the


future?

The votes were not posted publicly, we know who
  

won, leave it at that.


If the final tally by person is made public, will
  

we next ask to see


how each charter member voted?

This is beyond openness.

-gary

(Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no
  

this has nothing to


do with my position on this issue)


On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam
  

wrote:


P Kishor wrote:


In the spirit of openness, it would be
  

worthwhile seeing where the


charter members thought it best to cast their
  

votes. While


embarrassment is a possible consequence, I
  

believe if I were running


for a Board member, and if I lost, I would
  

still like to see the


votes... I am not interested in seeing who
  

voted for who... I am more


interested in seeing the voting pattern as a
  

reflection of the


pattern
of interest, awareness, and even a need for
  

doing more.


Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...)

I don't have a strong opinion on this.  If


someone would like to take


this issue formally to the board I would


encourage you to write up a


position in the wiki and add it as a topic for


the next board meeting


agenda at:

 


http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting
  

If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on


behalf of the issue


for the next board meeting.  Alternatively, the


topic could be


discussed
at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the


Monday I believe).  I


can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM,


though I think one


exists.

Of course, discussing here is fine too, but


ultimately for action it


is helpful for someone to "carry the ball".  I'm


not going to be that


person given a lack of enthusiasm about the


idea.


Best regards,
--
---
+--
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Warmerdam,


[EMAIL PROTECTED]
light and sound - activate the windows |


http://pobox.com/~warmerdam


and watch the world go round - Rush|


President OSGeo, http://


osgeo.org

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[RAVI KUMAR]

Hi All,
I agree with Kishor. Seeing the geographical
distribution of votes will be relevant.
Ravi Kumar
--- P Kishor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Gary,
> 
> I was not the person who originally requested this,
> but I did show
> interest in this, so I am presenting my reason here,
> for what they are
> worth.
> 
> Actually, I am not even so much interested in seeing
> who got how many
> votes as I am in seeing the geographical
> distribution of whence the
> votes came from and where they went... if that could
> be shown on the
> map... or, if I can imagine it on a map.
> 
> For now, it is heavily weighted in North America and
> Europe, and
> rightly so... most of this technology was invented
> in these regions,
> most of the developers are from these regions, most
> of the
> implementations are in these regions, most of the
> momentum in these
> regions. In the long run, I would like to see OSGeo
> spread its wings
> on all corners of the globe. I am not trying to
> hasten this process
> artificially, but I am interested in seeing the
> process itself, and
> see it happen sooner rather than later... imagine...
> if I could see a
> time-lapse movie of open geospatial spreading around
> the world!
> 
> For now, I am more interested in seeing where we
> need to focus more,
> encourage more activity, perhaps even do some
> special hand-holding, if
> required.
> 
> That is all of my reasoning. It is not crucial or
> urgent, and there is
> no other agenda -- if collectively it is decided
> that not showing the
> tally is better, I am cool with that as well...
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/9/07, Gary Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What purpose is served by displaying the results
> in this way? I see
> > absolutely no benefit, other than to create an
> ad-hoc popularity
> > contest to see who beat out whom.
> >
> > What lessons can be learned from having the tally
> known? How can it
> > benefit
> > OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people
> from running in the
> > future?
> >
> > The votes were not posted publicly, we know who
> won, leave it at that.
> >
> > If the final tally by person is made public, will
> we next ask to see
> > how each charter member voted?
> >
> > This is beyond openness.
> >
> > -gary
> >
> > (Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no
> this has nothing to
> > do with my position on this issue)
> >
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam
> wrote:
> >
> > > P Kishor wrote:
> > >> In the spirit of openness, it would be
> worthwhile seeing where the
> > >> charter members thought it best to cast their
> votes. While
> > >> embarrassment is a possible consequence, I
> believe if I were running
> > >> for a Board member, and if I lost, I would
> still like to see the
> > >> votes... I am not interested in seeing who
> voted for who... I am more
> > >> interested in seeing the voting pattern as a
> reflection of the
> > >> pattern
> > >> of interest, awareness, and even a need for
> doing more.
> > >
> > > Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...)
> > >
> > > I don't have a strong opinion on this.  If
> someone would like to take
> > > this issue formally to the board I would
> encourage you to write up a
> > > position in the wiki and add it as a topic for
> the next board meeting
> > > agenda at:
> > >
> > >  
>
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting
> > >
> > > If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on
> behalf of the issue
> > > for the next board meeting.  Alternatively, the
> topic could be
> > > discussed
> > > at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the
> Monday I believe).  I
> > > can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM,
> though I think one
> > > exists.
> > >
> > > Of course, discussing here is fine too, but
> ultimately for action it
> > > is helpful for someone to "carry the ball".  I'm
> not going to be that
> > > person given a lack of enthusiasm about the
> idea.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > --
> > > ---
> > > +--
> > > I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank
> Warmerdam,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > light and sound - activate the windows |
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Helena Mitasova]

I agree with Gary and Frank that we don't really need to know how  
many votes each candidate got.


I would rather suggest that before we cast our votes for the board  
next time we should have
a healthy discussion on how do we want the board to look like, what  
kind of representation
is needed for OSGeo to be a global organization covering different  
aspects of OSGeo mission

to avoid just voting for people we know.

Helena


On Aug 9, 2007, at 9:49 PM, Gary Sherman wrote:


What purpose is served by displaying the results in this way? I see
absolutely no benefit, other than to create an ad-hoc popularity  
contest to see who beat out whom.


What lessons can be learned from having the tally known? How can it  
benefit
OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people from running in the  
future?


The votes were not posted publicly, we know who won, leave it at that.

If the final tally by person is made public, will we next ask to  
see how each charter member voted?


This is beyond openness.

-gary

(Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no this has nothing  
to do with my position on this issue)



On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:


P Kishor wrote:

In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the
charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While
embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running
for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the
votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am  
more
interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the  
pattern

of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more.


Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...)

I don't have a strong opinion on this.  If someone would like to take
this issue formally to the board I would encourage you to write up a
position in the wiki and add it as a topic for the next board meeting
agenda at:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting

If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on behalf of the issue
for the next board meeting.  Alternatively, the topic could be  
discussed

at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe).  I
can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one  
exists.


Of course, discussing here is fine too, but ultimately for action it
is helpful for someone to "carry the ball".  I'm not going to be that
person given a lack of enthusiasm about the idea.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[P Kishor]

Hi Gary,

I was not the person who originally requested this, but I did show
interest in this, so I am presenting my reason here, for what they are
worth.

Actually, I am not even so much interested in seeing who got how many
votes as I am in seeing the geographical distribution of whence the
votes came from and where they went... if that could be shown on the
map... or, if I can imagine it on a map.

For now, it is heavily weighted in North America and Europe, and
rightly so... most of this technology was invented in these regions,
most of the developers are from these regions, most of the
implementations are in these regions, most of the momentum in these
regions. In the long run, I would like to see OSGeo spread its wings
on all corners of the globe. I am not trying to hasten this process
artificially, but I am interested in seeing the process itself, and
see it happen sooner rather than later... imagine... if I could see a
time-lapse movie of open geospatial spreading around the world!

For now, I am more interested in seeing where we need to focus more,
encourage more activity, perhaps even do some special hand-holding, if
required.

That is all of my reasoning. It is not crucial or urgent, and there is
no other agenda -- if collectively it is decided that not showing the
tally is better, I am cool with that as well...



On 8/9/07, Gary Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What purpose is served by displaying the results in this way? I see
> absolutely no benefit, other than to create an ad-hoc popularity
> contest to see who beat out whom.
>
> What lessons can be learned from having the tally known? How can it
> benefit
> OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people from running in the
> future?
>
> The votes were not posted publicly, we know who won, leave it at that.
>
> If the final tally by person is made public, will we next ask to see
> how each charter member voted?
>
> This is beyond openness.
>
> -gary
>
> (Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no this has nothing to
> do with my position on this issue)
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
>
> > P Kishor wrote:
> >> In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the
> >> charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While
> >> embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running
> >> for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the
> >> votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more
> >> interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the
> >> pattern
> >> of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more.
> >
> > Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...)
> >
> > I don't have a strong opinion on this.  If someone would like to take
> > this issue formally to the board I would encourage you to write up a
> > position in the wiki and add it as a topic for the next board meeting
> > agenda at:
> >
> >   http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting
> >
> > If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on behalf of the issue
> > for the next board meeting.  Alternatively, the topic could be
> > discussed
> > at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe).  I
> > can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one
> > exists.
> >
> > Of course, discussing here is fine too, but ultimately for action it
> > is helpful for someone to "carry the ball".  I'm not going to be that
> > person given a lack of enthusiasm about the idea.
> >
> > Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Gary Sherman]

What purpose is served by displaying the results in this way? I see
absolutely no benefit, other than to create an ad-hoc popularity  
contest to see who beat out whom.


What lessons can be learned from having the tally known? How can it  
benefit
OSGeo in future elections? Will it deter people from running in the  
future?


The votes were not posted publicly, we know who won, leave it at that.

If the final tally by person is made public, will we next ask to see  
how each charter member voted?


This is beyond openness.

-gary

(Yes I was a candidate, yes I was not elected, no this has nothing to  
do with my position on this issue)



On Aug 9, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:


P Kishor wrote:

In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the
charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While
embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running
for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the
votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more
interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the  
pattern

of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more.


Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...)

I don't have a strong opinion on this.  If someone would like to take
this issue formally to the board I would encourage you to write up a
position in the wiki and add it as a topic for the next board meeting
agenda at:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting

If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on behalf of the issue
for the next board meeting.  Alternatively, the topic could be  
discussed

at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe).  I
can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one  
exists.


Of course, discussing here is fine too, but ultimately for action it
is helpful for someone to "carry the ball".  I'm not going to be that
person given a lack of enthusiasm about the idea.

Best regards,
--
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Dave Patton]

Frank Warmerdam wrote:


Alternatively, the topic could be discussed
at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe).  I
can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one exists.


All OSGeo wiki pages related to FOSS4G2007 can be found
by use of the FOSS4G2007 Category wiki page:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Category:FOSS4G2007

The OSGeo AGM wiki page is:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/AGM_2007

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Frank Warmerdam]

P Kishor wrote:

In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the
charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While
embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running
for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the
votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more
interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the pattern
of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more.


Puneet (and Tamas, Bart, ...)

I don't have a strong opinion on this.  If someone would like to take
this issue formally to the board I would encourage you to write up a
position in the wiki and add it as a topic for the next board meeting
agenda at:

  http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Twenty_Eighth_Board_Meeting

If so, I'd ask that you be available to speak on behalf of the issue
for the next board meeting.  Alternatively, the topic could be discussed
at the AGM at FOSS4G (planned for late on the Monday I believe).  I
can't seem to find a wiki page about the AGM, though I think one exists.

Of course, discussing here is fine too, but ultimately for action it
is helpful for someone to "carry the ball".  I'm not going to be that
person given a lack of enthusiasm about the idea.

Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[P Kishor]

This is not a definitive "weigh-in," and frankly, I had not even
thought of seeing the vote count until the suggestion, but it might be
worthwhile (I am not saying "do it"; I am saying, think about doing
it... there might be benefits).

In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the
charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While
embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running
for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the
votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more
interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the pattern
of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more.

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[P Kishor]

This is not a definitive "weigh-in," and frankly, I had not even
thought of seeing the vote count until the suggestion, but it might be
worthwhile (I am not saying "do it"; I am saying, think about doing
it... there might be benefits).

In the spirit of openness, it would be worthwhile seeing where the
charter members thought it best to cast their votes. While
embarrassment is a possible consequence, I believe if I were running
for a Board member, and if I lost, I would still like to see the
votes... I am not interested in seeing who voted for who... I am more
interested in seeing the voting pattern as a reflection of the pattern
of interest, awareness, and even a need for doing more.

On 8/9/07, Frank Warmerdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tamas Szekeres wrote:
> > I'd also like to see the total count of votes per person it it is possible.
> > I guess it might have been a close competition.
>
> Tamas,
>
> It has been my suggestion that actual vote counts per candidate not be
> distributed due to the possible risk of embarrassment, etc.  If you, or
> other members feel this is insufficiently transparent the issue could be
> revisited.
>
> Best regards,
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS)]

Maybe it's wise to check with the nominees if they object against 
publishing the results?


I agree with Tamas this would be interesting.

Best regards,
Bart

Frank Warmerdam schreef:

Tamas Szekeres wrote:
I'd also like to see the total count of votes per person it it is 
possible.

I guess it might have been a close competition.


Tamas,

It has been my suggestion that actual vote counts per candidate not be
distributed due to the possible risk of embarrassment, etc.  If you, or
other members feel this is insufficiently transparent the issue could be
revisited.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[Frank Warmerdam]

Tamas Szekeres wrote:

I'd also like to see the total count of votes per person it it is possible.
I guess it might have been a close competition.


Tamas,

It has been my suggestion that actual vote counts per candidate not be
distributed due to the possible risk of embarrassment, etc.  If you, or
other members feel this is insufficiently transparent the issue could be
revisited.

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[Tamas Szekeres]

I'd also like to see the total count of votes per person it it is possible.
I guess it might have been a close competition.

Best regards,

Tamas Szekeres



2007/8/7, OSGeo CRO Tyler Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The election for the OSGeo Board of Directors in now completed.  The
> following, in alphabetical order, were elected to fill the 5 vacant
> positions:
>
> * Jeroen Ticheler
> * Jo Walsh  (re-elected)
> * Markus Neteler (re-elected)
> * Paul Ramsey
> * Robert (Bob) Bray
>
> We had good voter turnout - 90% of the charter members voted.
>
> Your resulting new Board will be composed of:
> * Arnulf Christl
> * Chris Holmes
> * Dave McIllhagga
> * Frank Warmerdam
> * Jeroen Ticheler
> * Jo Walsh  (re-elected)
> * Markus Neteler (re-elected)
> * Paul Ramsey
> * Robert (Bob) Bray
>
> Please join me in welcoming the new directors and thanking the
> outgoing directors for their critical involvement during OSGeo's
> first year.  Also, please thank all nominees for letting their names
> stand during the election.  Voters had tough voting decisions as all
> nominees came with strong recommendations and experience.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tyler
>
> Tyler Mitchell
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> OSGeo
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[H . S . Rai]

Congratulations to the new BoD, and hope OSGeo will touch new heights
in their leadership. At the same time, I wish suitable strategies may
be adopted for more acceptance of OSGeo in developing countries, which
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[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Congratulations to the new BoD.
Great team for the exciting times
ahead

Venka

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo CRO) wrote:
The election for the OSGeo Board of Directors in now completed.  The 
following, in alphabetical order, were elected to fill the 5 vacant 
positions:


* Jeroen Ticheler
* Jo Walsh  (re-elected)
* Markus Neteler (re-elected)
* Paul Ramsey
* Robert (Bob) Bray

We had good voter turnout - 90% of the charter members voted.

Your resulting new Board will be composed of:
* Arnulf Christl
* Chris Holmes
* Dave McIllhagga
* Frank Warmerdam
* Jeroen Ticheler
* Jo Walsh  (re-elected)
* Markus Neteler (re-elected)
* Paul Ramsey
* Robert (Bob) Bray

Please join me in welcoming the new directors and thanking the outgoing 
directors for their critical involvement during OSGeo's first year.  
Also, please thank all nominees for letting their names stand during the 
election.  Voters had tough voting decisions as all nominees came with 
strong recommendations and experience.


Sincerely,
Tyler

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OSGeo
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo Board Election Results

[RAVI KUMAR]

Hi All,
My Congratulations to all the newly elected board
members. Hope the OSGeo board will promote more
vigorously development, and implementation of FOSS GIS
in the world and the developing world in Particular.
The ground realities of the complex needs of
developing world may be given a thought. The catch 22
situation in countries like India needs a solution, by
giving incentives to students and education institutes
of Geo informatics alike.
Cheers
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[OSGeo CRO]

The election for the OSGeo Board of Directors in now completed.  The  
following, in alphabetical order, were elected to fill the 5 vacant  
positions:


* Jeroen Ticheler
* Jo Walsh  (re-elected)
* Markus Neteler (re-elected)
* Paul Ramsey
* Robert (Bob) Bray

We had good voter turnout - 90% of the charter members voted.

Your resulting new Board will be composed of:
* Arnulf Christl
* Chris Holmes
* Dave McIllhagga
* Frank Warmerdam
* Jeroen Ticheler
* Jo Walsh  (re-elected)
* Markus Neteler (re-elected)
* Paul Ramsey
* Robert (Bob) Bray

Please join me in welcoming the new directors and thanking the  
outgoing directors for their critical involvement during OSGeo's  
first year.  Also, please thank all nominees for letting their names  
stand during the election.  Voters had tough voting decisions as all  
nominees came with strong recommendations and experience.


Sincerely,
Tyler

Tyler Mitchell
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OSGeo
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