Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-19 Thread Angelos Tzotsos
On 10/18/2015 10:37 PM, Andreas Hocevar wrote: On 18 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: It is true that GitHub is not Free Software, so IMO we should not be depending on it. I see the ethical issues that arise from using a non Free provider and it is not the only case in our ecosyste

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-19 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 02:58:26PM +0200, Mateusz Loskot wrote: > On 18 October 2015 at 11:53, Paragon Corporation wrote: > > > > Many of them would prefer OSGEO hosting (and preferably git over svn) > > because why force someone to get a github account just to put in a bug > > report or submit a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-19 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 18 October 2015 at 11:53, Paragon Corporation wrote: > > Many of them would prefer OSGEO hosting (and preferably git over svn) > because why force someone to get a github account just to put in a bug > report or submit a patch. Such barrier for ad-hoc contributors, not only on GitHub but our T

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-19 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 03:04:06PM -0700, Jody Garnett wrote: > Aside: Please make sure your GitHub repository has a CONTRIBUTING.md > file or similar if > you are accepting pull requests from the big bad internet. Thanks for the suggestion,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Il 18/10/2015 12:34, Angelos Tzotsos ha scritto: > I see the benefits that Andrea mentioned, and I believe that even if the > official OSGeoLive copy moves back to OSGeo infrastructure, we will > probably keep a copy on GitHub for project visibility and for accepting > pull requests... Lets keep i

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Jody Garnett
That repo-criteria articles is a great read - thanks! One key advantage OSGeo has as a foundation is we are not "picky" about where projects work from. This allows our projects to be more responsive then similar foundations such as Apache and Eclipse. It should be noted that these organizations re

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread David Fawcett
One thing to consider in using GitHub is the opportunity for the project to be discovered by people who are not aware of OSGEO and the geo space. David. On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Andreas Hocevar wrote: > > > On 18 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: > > > > It is true that GitHub

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Andreas Hocevar
> On 18 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: > > It is true that GitHub is not Free Software, so IMO we should not be > depending on it. I see the ethical issues that arise from using a non Free > provider and it is not the only case in our ecosystem eg. Transifex used to > be Free Soft

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sandro Santilli wrote: > How does that diagram counts contributors ? > > With SVN it's very unlikely that a bot can recognize contributors > other than the committers, while with GIT it's easier to make the > actual contributor visible to a machine (being there a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 18 October 2015 at 17:15, Markus Neteler wrote: > On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: > ... >> Finally, with Sandro, we brainstormed idea of surveing the Community >> about their hosting needs/preferences. >> Sandro, Martin, Alex, have been putting efforts into setting up G

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 18 October 2015 at 12:08, Sandro Santilli wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 08:41:12AM +0200, Andrea Aime wrote: >> >> There is another benefit of moving to Github, which is build checks on pull >> requests, > > Yes, this is something we unfortunately lost on OSGeo. > We used to have buildbot ru

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 18 October 2015 at 08:41, Andrea Aime wrote: > > In particular, looking at GeoServer experience from the switch, it's rather > evident we got more people contributing right the moment we did the > switch > [...] > There is however a downside of that, most of these contributions are "one > time

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Markus Neteler
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: ... > Finally, with Sandro, we brainstormed idea of surveing the Community > about their hosting needs/preferences. > Sandro, Martin, Alex, have been putting efforts into setting up Git, > improving Trac, and overall improvements. > Those eff

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Michael Smith
iscussions Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ? Resent-From: Michael Smith >On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:07:52AM +0200, Andreas Hocevar wrote: > >> please keep an alternative in mind: pay for an OSGeo Github account for >> projects that want to u

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 01:34:57PM +0300, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: > It is true that GitHub is not Free Software, so IMO we should not be > depending on it. I see the ethical issues that arise from using a > non Free provider and it is not the only case in our ecosystem eg. > Transifex used to be Fr

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Angelos Tzotsos
Hi Andreas, There is already an OSGeo account on GitHub, managed by SAC members: https://github.com/OSGeo This discussion started 6 months ago on IRC, during the OSGeoLive transition to Git. Since there was no git.osgeo.org setup at the time, we decided to temporarily host OSGeoLive git reposi

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:07:52AM +0200, Andreas Hocevar wrote: > please keep an alternative in mind: pay for an OSGeo Github account for > projects that want to use Git. Will burn some money, but won't burn out > volunteers who have to keep OSGeo's own infrastructure up and running. See > https:

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 08:41:12AM +0200, Andrea Aime wrote: > In particular, looking at GeoServer experience from the switch, it's rather > evident we got more people contributing right the moment we did the > switch, here is the contributors per month diagram, the red line > is the date we switc

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 10:22:10PM +0200, Mateusz Loskot wrote: > Once Sandro has completed setting up git.osgeo.org infrastructure, who > is going to maintain it? Just a note: I'm not going to setup git.osgeo.org infrastructure against the will of OSGeo board. So far all I'm doing is feasibility

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Paragon Corporation
s Hocevar Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 3:08 AM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ? Very well said Andrea, and I can back this up with very similar experiences from when the OpenLayers project moved to Github. That said, if OSGeo considers s

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Andreas Hocevar
Very well said Andrea, and I can back this up with very similar experiences from when the OpenLayers project moved to Github. That said, if OSGeo considers setting up a Git infrastructure, please keep an alternative in mind: pay for an OSGeo Github account for projects that want to use Git. Wil

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Andrea Aime
Hi, just wanted to chime in saying that if OSGeo starts setting said guidelines, it should also have some benefits comparison so that projects can see what they might not get by avoiding Github. In particular, looking at GeoServer experience from the switch, it's rather evident we got more people

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Anita Graser
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: > > > I hope it makes more sense now. > ​Thanks a lot for the background details Mateusz! Everything seems much clearer now.​ ​Looking forward to read other's opinions. Best wishes, Anita​ ___ Di

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 17 October 2015 at 21:34, Anita Graser wrote: > On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Sandro Santilli wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 05:06:54PM +0200, Anita Graser wrote: >> > On Oct 17, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mateusz Loskot" wrote: >> > >> > What about the projects which are already on Github? >> >>

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 09:34:19PM +0200, Anita Graser wrote: > I'm trying to understand the direction this discussion is going since I > might not be aware of the full background story. Are you expressing a wish > for stricter hosting guidelines? Or would you simply want clarification, > even if

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Anita Graser
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Sandro Santilli wrote: > On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 05:06:54PM +0200, Anita Graser wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mateusz Loskot" wrote: > > > > ​ > Finally, with Sandro, we brainstormed idea of surveing the Community ​> > ​ > about their hosting needs/prefe

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Sandro Santilli
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 05:06:54PM +0200, Anita Graser wrote: > On Oct 17, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mateusz Loskot" wrote: > > On 17 October 2015 at 10:22, Sandro Santilli wrote: > > So, perhaps it would be better to clarify hosting > > freedoms/requirements in advance. [...] > > Sandro, Martin, Alex,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 17 Oct 2015 17:06, "Anita Graser" wrote: > On Oct 17, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mateusz Loskot" wrote: > > > > Finally, with Sandro, we brainstormed idea of surveing the Community > > about their hosting needs/preferences. > > Sandro, Martin, Alex, have been putting efforts into setting up Git, > > impr

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Anita Graser
On Oct 17, 2015 12:10 PM, "Mateusz Loskot" wrote: > > On 17 October 2015 at 10:22, Sandro Santilli wrote: > > Given the number of OSGeo projects that are moving their code outside > > of OSGeo infrastructure, Mateusz Loskot on IRC suggested to include > > guidelines about what is or ins't accepte

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 17 October 2015 at 10:22, Sandro Santilli wrote: > Given the number of OSGeo projects that are moving their code outside > of OSGeo infrastructure, Mateusz Loskot on IRC suggested to include > guidelines about what is or ins't accepted as a code repository > hosting for OSGeo projects. To clra

[OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Sandro Santilli
Given the number of OSGeo projects that are moving their code outside of OSGeo infrastructure, Mateusz Loskot on IRC suggested to include guidelines about what is or ins't accepted as a code repository hosting for OSGeo projects. An example of a similar guideline is the recent document published b