[OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
I agree that this is the first year that nominations have been publicly discussed and it is a departure from previous years. I followed Jeff's lead when I nominated Chris. But hey, we're an open community, I think it's even in the name somewhere. And spreading a little recognition around to hard working members of our community surely doesn't hurt. Rich On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: Hi Stefano, Bart, all, I simply sent my nomination to solkatzaw...@osgeo.org and CC'd Discuss - I did this on my own doing. I don't have a blog, so my opinions are posted through mailing lists, so I don't see an issue with posting my thoughts here in public. In fact I am very proud to post my nomination for Venka publicly. Although now it seems I was wrong. -jeff On 12-09-18 11:40 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: Hi Stefano, I share your concerns. This is the first year that this is happening, and it's not outlined at all in the request for nominations. Best regards, Bart -- Bart van den Eijnden OSGIS - http://osgis.nl On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Stefano Costa st...@iosa.it mailto:st...@iosa.it wrote: Il 18/09/2012 13:51, nicolas bozon ha scritto: He is the best OSGeo advocate i know so far. Regardless of the strong merits of Venkatesh (I don't know you personally, but I do agree with others about your exceptional contribution to the community), I wonder if it is really OK to have a public thumbs up session for candidates rather than leave it to the committee to decide. Especially towards other potential candidates (there may even be others candidates already, AFAIK, since e-mails have to be submitted to a separate, private address and not to the discussion list). If this sounds over-bureaucratisation of our community standards, I apologise in advance. Cheers, steko ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Richard Greenwood richard.greenw...@gmail.com www.greenwoodmap.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
I don't want to be a PITA, but I want to bring up another point for discussion. Is it a good idea for people from the selection committee to be nominating? That kind of defeats their neutral position. Or how does the selection committee normally come to a decision? Consensus, voting, something else? Best regards, Bart -- Bart van den Eijnden OSGIS - http://osgis.nl On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Jeff McKenna jmcke...@gatewaygeomatics.com wrote: On 12-09-18 11:53 AM, Richard Greenwood wrote: I agree that this is the first year that nominations have been publicly discussed and it is a departure from previous years. I followed Jeff's lead when I nominated Chris. But hey, we're an open community, I think it's even in the name somewhere. And spreading a little recognition around to hard working members of our community surely doesn't hurt. My feelings exactly. Thanks Rich. -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
Hi Bart, The process can change each year, but last year each member of the Selection Committee ranked their top two choices, and the person with the most first place votes won. Selection committee members have always been allowed to nominate. Looking back at old selection committee emails/discussions now, it seems last year I made a mistake also (I compiled all nominations on a wiki page - I got a strong wrist slap by all other selection committee members). -jeff On 12-09-18 12:05 PM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote: I don't want to be a PITA, but I want to bring up another point for discussion. Is it a good idea for people from the selection committee to be nominating? That kind of defeats their neutral position. Or how does the selection committee normally come to a decision? Consensus, voting, something else? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
I am completely with Howard on this. +1 -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Howard Butler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:15 AM To: Richard Greenwood Cc: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan) On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Richard Greenwood richard.greenw...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that this is the first year that nominations have been publicly discussed and it is a departure from previous years. I followed Jeff's lead when I nominated Chris. But hey, we're an open community, I think it's even in the name somewhere. And spreading a little recognition around to hard working members of our community surely doesn't hurt. I disagree. The history of the award has been a cloistered deliberation of private nominations. The award is not a political exercise, or at least it hasn't been to this point, and public nominations tip things toward the lobbying direction. Every open source contributor wouldn't mind an award in the field of excellence, and every contributor deserves a pat on the back or two. Open nominations opens up a more than few cans of worms: - I won't say some stuff about a person in a public nomination that I would in a private one. First off, I don't want to embarrass them, as some people are embarrassed by public fawning. - Not every activity and action needs to be billboarded. If you look at the list of past winners, a common trait they all share is they all have kept their heads down and done a lot for the community as whole without regard to recognition. - I might not want everyone to know who I'm nominating. - Are we voting on the award? Lobbying the committee? What does a public nomination achieve other than to provide a (biased) public attaboy? There are plenty of opportunities for those that do not have to be conflated with a nomination process. The award is selected by an exclusive group of individuals, and this act makes it an exclusive award. The Oscar or Peabody or Pulitzer of open source GIS is much more interesting than the People's Choice. Let's keep it that way. Howard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Fawcett, David (MPCA) david.fawc...@state.mn.us wrote: I am completely with Howard on this. +1 Same here, +1 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sol_Katz_Award#Process In past years, it seemed that only the rather small selection committee has known who did not win the Sol Katz award. In fact, did all nominees even know they were nominated? (Presumably the winner was contacted in advance to coordinate their presence at the award ceremony and perhaps give them a slight notice to prepare something to say.) Eli -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Howard Butler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:15 AM To: Richard Greenwood Cc: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan) On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Richard Greenwood richard.greenw...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that this is the first year that nominations have been publicly discussed and it is a departure from previous years. I followed Jeff's lead when I nominated Chris. But hey, we're an open community, I think it's even in the name somewhere. And spreading a little recognition around to hard working members of our community surely doesn't hurt. I disagree. The history of the award has been a cloistered deliberation of private nominations. The award is not a political exercise, or at least it hasn't been to this point, and public nominations tip things toward the lobbying direction. Every open source contributor wouldn't mind an award in the field of excellence, and every contributor deserves a pat on the back or two. Open nominations opens up a more than few cans of worms: - I won't say some stuff about a person in a public nomination that I would in a private one. First off, I don't want to embarrass them, as some people are embarrassed by public fawning. - Not every activity and action needs to be billboarded. If you look at the list of past winners, a common trait they all share is they all have kept their heads down and done a lot for the community as whole without regard to recognition. - I might not want everyone to know who I'm nominating. - Are we voting on the award? Lobbying the committee? What does a public nomination achieve other than to provide a (biased) public attaboy? There are plenty of opportunities for those that do not have to be conflated with a nomination process. The award is selected by an exclusive group of individuals, and this act makes it an exclusive award. The Oscar or Peabody or Pulitzer of open source GIS is much more interesting than the People's Choice. Let's keep it that way. Howard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
With Howard. -- Puneet Kishor science, data, policy... yeah On Sep 18, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Howard Butler hobu@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Richard Greenwood richard.greenw...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that this is the first year that nominations have been publicly discussed and it is a departure from previous years. I followed Jeff's lead when I nominated Chris. But hey, we're an open community, I think it's even in the name somewhere. And spreading a little recognition around to hard working members of our community surely doesn't hurt. I disagree. The history of the award has been a cloistered deliberation of private nominations. The award is not a political exercise, or at least it hasn't been to this point, and public nominations tip things toward the lobbying direction. Every open source contributor wouldn't mind an award in the field of excellence, and every contributor deserves a pat on the back or two. Open nominations opens up a more than few cans of worms: - I won't say some stuff about a person in a public nomination that I would in a private one. First off, I don't want to embarrass them, as some people are embarrassed by public fawning. - Not every activity and action needs to be billboarded. If you look at the list of past winners, a common trait they all share is they all have kept their heads down and done a lot for the community as whole without regard to recognition. - I might not want everyone to know who I'm nominating. - Are we voting on the award? Lobbying the committee? What does a public nomination achieve other than to provide a (biased) public attaboy? There are plenty of opportunities for those that do not have to be conflated with a nomination process. The award is selected by an exclusive group of individuals, and this act makes it an exclusive award. The Oscar or Peabody or Pulitzer of open source GIS is much more interesting than the People's Choice. Let's keep it that way. Howard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
While I am all for openness in general, I share Howard's concerns in this specific case and think we should continue with private nominations. Daniel On 12-09-18 11:15 AM, Howard Butler wrote: On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Richard Greenwood richard.greenw...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that this is the first year that nominations have been publicly discussed and it is a departure from previous years. I followed Jeff's lead when I nominated Chris. But hey, we're an open community, I think it's even in the name somewhere. And spreading a little recognition around to hard working members of our community surely doesn't hurt. I disagree. The history of the award has been a cloistered deliberation of private nominations. The award is not a political exercise, or at least it hasn't been to this point, and public nominations tip things toward the lobbying direction. Every open source contributor wouldn't mind an award in the field of excellence, and every contributor deserves a pat on the back or two. Open nominations opens up a more than few cans of worms: - I won't say some stuff about a person in a public nomination that I would in a private one. First off, I don't want to embarrass them, as some people are embarrassed by public fawning. - Not every activity and action needs to be billboarded. If you look at the list of past winners, a common trait they all share is they all have kept their heads down and done a lot for the community as whole without regard to recognition. - I might not want everyone to know who I'm nominating. - Are we voting on the award? Lobbying the committee? What does a public nomination achieve other than to provide a (biased) public attaboy? There are plenty of opportunities for those that do not have to be conflated with a nomination process. The award is selected by an exclusive group of individuals, and this act makes it an exclusive award. The Oscar or Peabody or Pulitzer of open source GIS is much more interesting than the People's Choice. Let's keep it that way. Howard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Daniel Morissette http://www.mapgears.com/ Provider of Professional MapServer Support since 2000 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Daniel Morissette dmorisse...@mapgears.com wrote: While I am all for openness in general, I share Howard's concerns in this specific case and think we should continue with private nominations. Agreed (for what is worth). It would be sad if we started seeing sorts of mass voting against a nomination thread, mostly because it would look a lot like a political election (my idea of the Soul Katz Award is that OSGeo is looking for an excellence which is not necessarily the one of just being popular, thought of course strong commitment in the community has that side effect) However... maybe someone should push the OSGeo community to send private nominations more? I have no idea, no raw data, but in the years I have had the impression that the importance of nomination period could be stressed more, thus getting more nominations and as a result a better sampling from the community. Just rambling here, don't take me too seriously :-p Cheers Andrea -- == Our support, Your Success! Visit http://opensdi.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Andrea Aime @geowolf Technical Lead GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 962313 mob: +39 339 8844549 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
On 12-09-18 4:34 PM, Andrea Aime wrote: However... maybe someone should push the OSGeo community to send private nominations more? I have no idea, no raw data, but in the years I have had the impression that the importance of nomination period could be stressed more, thus getting more nominations and as a result a better sampling from the community. As usual Andrea, you read my mind. I often find that sometimes you must make a public mistake (and sure I have made lots) to wake up the community (all of a sudden those lurkers post responses, it's really like magic). So, my point is, now we should see lots and lots of nominations sent to solkatzaw...@osgeo.org :) -jeff ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Andrea Aime andrea.a...@geo-solutions.it wrote: However... maybe someone should push the OSGeo community to send private nominations more? Andrea, I don't have a strong position on public vs. private, but I will note we are receiving lots of private nominations, as is the case each year. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush| Geospatial Software Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
