Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] desktop gis comparison at code sprint foss4g
Andrea, I think this code sprint activity would be a good opportunity for non-programmers to get involved in something at foss4g as well. Sounds like a good idea. andrea antonello wrote: Hi Wolf, Jody, the comparison in Sydney is obviously open to anyone having the will to come and represent the project. As I wrote, I was focusing on QGis, gvSig and uDig, since for those we found people for the conference in Italy in mid-November. But, I repeat, anyone welcome. Regarding what will be done, I don't want to go too far. I am trying to understand what an average user needs and would like to see, as well as a public administration. Not because I am not interested in seeing many things, but because we will have 90 minutes for 3 GIS. So it will be important to extract things to make people watching satified. Buffers and similar things are for sure inside this task, but I would not go too deep into strange analyses. Regarding Stefan Steiniger's & alter comparison, again, I don't want to get this academic, I want to hear what these days what users need and try to show how to do it on the different GIS in life mode, with everything that may happen, even bluescreens :) Ciao Andrea On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Wolf Bergenheim wrote: On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:48, andrea antonello wrote: At the Italian conference QGis/grass, gvSig/sextante and uDig/JGrass/Axios will be put into the game, which is why I mainly address those groups now, but obviously others are welcome. The new GRASS wxPython GUI should maybe also be added to that list? That said, I would love to hear from anyone what he would like to see tested in such a comparison, browsing from the easiest line creation to the most particular and odd reprojection. For that I just opened a small subsection in the uDig code sprint area: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Code_Sprint#The_desktop_comparison_tasks_list Feel free to add whatever comes to your mind. These tasks are mainly visualizing data, but I'd be more interested in comparing results of say analysis or even basic tasks, like creating buffers, finding the shortest path, creating a surface from sample points etc. Or is this maybe not feasible? --Wolf -- <8 ) Wolf Bergenheim ( 3> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Systems Architect Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] desktop gis comparison at code sprint foss4g
There was a report produced by the USGS in 1988 that might be of some use: "A process for evaluating Geographic Information Systems" USGS Open-File Report 88-105 A djvu file of the report can be downloaded at http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/ofr/ofr88105 There are also some comparison tables prepared by Stefan Steiniger in 2008 available at: http://spatialserver.net/osgis/ All the best, Ned Jody Garnett wrote: Okay that is a good call. There was a table comparing different desktop systems released a while back - perhaps that could be a starting point? Jody On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM, andrea antonello wrote: Hi Jody, you are right, but I would like to involve power users in code sprints as well. They get usually bored in all the moments they have to wait for a fix to test. I think a tester/power user in the sprint would have more fun in doing something more autonomous. But, yeah, it seems you are not the only one thinking like that, since there has been no feedback. Andrea On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: Hi Andrea: That may be a good topic for a BOF session; I would recommend the code sprint stays focused on you know ... coding :-) Jody On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:48 PM, andrea antonello wrote: Hi all, but mainly QGis-sers and gvSig-gers (I am now speaking as uDig-ger). In Italy in November we have our annual GFOSS conference and this year we proposed a workshop in which desktop GIS are compared. So what should happen, is that we create a list of tasks that then are shown/compared on every GIS during the workshop, in order to highlight the strenghts of every GIS and hide the weaknesses behind the availability of other possibilities. At the Italian conference QGis/grass, gvSig/sextante and uDig/JGrass/Axios will be put into the game, which is why I mainly address those groups now, but obviously others are welcome. I would really love to give this thing a ride before the November conference, since it is a first try for me. Therefore I was wondering if some QGis and GvSIG poweruser would be available during the Saturday codesprint for comparison on some tasks together with the uDig team. That said, I would love to hear from anyone what he would like to see tested in such a comparison, browsing from the easiest line creation to the most particular and odd reprojection. For that I just opened a small subsection in the uDig code sprint area: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Code_Sprint#The_desktop_comparison_tasks_list Feel free to add whatever comes to your mind. Thanks, Andrea ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] desktop gis comparison at code sprint foss4g
Hi Wolf, Jody, the comparison in Sydney is obviously open to anyone having the will to come and represent the project. As I wrote, I was focusing on QGis, gvSig and uDig, since for those we found people for the conference in Italy in mid-November. But, I repeat, anyone welcome. Regarding what will be done, I don't want to go too far. I am trying to understand what an average user needs and would like to see, as well as a public administration. Not because I am not interested in seeing many things, but because we will have 90 minutes for 3 GIS. So it will be important to extract things to make people watching satified. Buffers and similar things are for sure inside this task, but I would not go too deep into strange analyses. Regarding Stefan Steiniger's & alter comparison, again, I don't want to get this academic, I want to hear what these days what users need and try to show how to do it on the different GIS in life mode, with everything that may happen, even bluescreens :) Ciao Andrea On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Wolf Bergenheim wrote: > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:48, andrea antonello > wrote: >> At the Italian conference QGis/grass, gvSig/sextante and >> uDig/JGrass/Axios will be put into the game, which is why I mainly >> address those groups now, but obviously others are welcome. > > The new GRASS wxPython GUI should maybe also be added to that list? > >> That said, I would love to hear from anyone what he would like to see >> tested in such a comparison, browsing from the easiest line creation >> to the most particular and odd reprojection. >> For that I just opened a small subsection in the uDig code sprint >> area: >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Code_Sprint#The_desktop_comparison_tasks_list >> Feel free to add whatever comes to your mind. > > These tasks are mainly visualizing data, but I'd be more interested in > comparing results of say analysis or even basic tasks, like creating > buffers, finding the shortest path, creating a surface from sample > points etc. Or is this maybe not feasible? > > --Wolf > > -- > <8 ) Wolf Bergenheim ( 3> > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] desktop gis comparison at code sprint foss4g
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:48, andrea antonello wrote: > At the Italian conference QGis/grass, gvSig/sextante and > uDig/JGrass/Axios will be put into the game, which is why I mainly > address those groups now, but obviously others are welcome. The new GRASS wxPython GUI should maybe also be added to that list? > That said, I would love to hear from anyone what he would like to see > tested in such a comparison, browsing from the easiest line creation > to the most particular and odd reprojection. > For that I just opened a small subsection in the uDig code sprint > area: > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Code_Sprint#The_desktop_comparison_tasks_list > Feel free to add whatever comes to your mind. These tasks are mainly visualizing data, but I'd be more interested in comparing results of say analysis or even basic tasks, like creating buffers, finding the shortest path, creating a surface from sample points etc. Or is this maybe not feasible? --Wolf -- <8 ) Wolf Bergenheim ( 3> ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] desktop gis comparison at code sprint foss4g
Okay that is a good call. There was a table comparing different desktop systems released a while back - perhaps that could be a starting point? Jody On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM, andrea antonello wrote: > Hi Jody, > you are right, but I would like to involve power users in code sprints > as well. They get usually bored in all the moments they have to wait > for a fix to test. > I think a tester/power user in the sprint would have more fun in doing > something more autonomous. > > But, yeah, it seems you are not the only one thinking like that, since > there has been no feedback. > > Andrea > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: >> Hi Andrea: >> >> That may be a good topic for a BOF session; I would recommend the code >> sprint stays focused on you know ... coding :-) >> >> Jody >> >> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:48 PM, andrea antonello >> wrote: >>> Hi all, but mainly QGis-sers and gvSig-gers (I am now speaking as uDig-ger). >>> In Italy in November we have our annual GFOSS conference and this year >>> we proposed a workshop in which desktop GIS are compared. >>> So what should happen, is that we create a list of tasks that then are >>> shown/compared on every GIS during the workshop, in order to highlight >>> the strenghts of every GIS and hide the weaknesses behind the >>> availability of other possibilities. >>> At the Italian conference QGis/grass, gvSig/sextante and >>> uDig/JGrass/Axios will be put into the game, which is why I mainly >>> address those groups now, but obviously others are welcome. >>> >>> I would really love to give this thing a ride before the November >>> conference, since it is a first try for me. Therefore I was wondering >>> if some QGis and GvSIG poweruser would be available during the >>> Saturday codesprint for comparison on some tasks together with the >>> uDig team. >>> >>> That said, I would love to hear from anyone what he would like to see >>> tested in such a comparison, browsing from the easiest line creation >>> to the most particular and odd reprojection. >>> For that I just opened a small subsection in the uDig code sprint >>> area: >>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Code_Sprint#The_desktop_comparison_tasks_list >>> Feel free to add whatever comes to your mind. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andrea >>> ___ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] desktop gis comparison at code sprint foss4g
Hi Jody, you are right, but I would like to involve power users in code sprints as well. They get usually bored in all the moments they have to wait for a fix to test. I think a tester/power user in the sprint would have more fun in doing something more autonomous. But, yeah, it seems you are not the only one thinking like that, since there has been no feedback. Andrea On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Jody Garnett wrote: > Hi Andrea: > > That may be a good topic for a BOF session; I would recommend the code > sprint stays focused on you know ... coding :-) > > Jody > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:48 PM, andrea antonello > wrote: >> Hi all, but mainly QGis-sers and gvSig-gers (I am now speaking as uDig-ger). >> In Italy in November we have our annual GFOSS conference and this year >> we proposed a workshop in which desktop GIS are compared. >> So what should happen, is that we create a list of tasks that then are >> shown/compared on every GIS during the workshop, in order to highlight >> the strenghts of every GIS and hide the weaknesses behind the >> availability of other possibilities. >> At the Italian conference QGis/grass, gvSig/sextante and >> uDig/JGrass/Axios will be put into the game, which is why I mainly >> address those groups now, but obviously others are welcome. >> >> I would really love to give this thing a ride before the November >> conference, since it is a first try for me. Therefore I was wondering >> if some QGis and GvSIG poweruser would be available during the >> Saturday codesprint for comparison on some tasks together with the >> uDig team. >> >> That said, I would love to hear from anyone what he would like to see >> tested in such a comparison, browsing from the easiest line creation >> to the most particular and odd reprojection. >> For that I just opened a small subsection in the uDig code sprint >> area: >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Code_Sprint#The_desktop_comparison_tasks_list >> Feel free to add whatever comes to your mind. >> >> Thanks, >> Andrea >> ___ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] desktop gis comparison at code sprint foss4g
Hi Andrea: That may be a good topic for a BOF session; I would recommend the code sprint stays focused on you know ... coding :-) Jody On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:48 PM, andrea antonello wrote: > Hi all, but mainly QGis-sers and gvSig-gers (I am now speaking as uDig-ger). > In Italy in November we have our annual GFOSS conference and this year > we proposed a workshop in which desktop GIS are compared. > So what should happen, is that we create a list of tasks that then are > shown/compared on every GIS during the workshop, in order to highlight > the strenghts of every GIS and hide the weaknesses behind the > availability of other possibilities. > At the Italian conference QGis/grass, gvSig/sextante and > uDig/JGrass/Axios will be put into the game, which is why I mainly > address those groups now, but obviously others are welcome. > > I would really love to give this thing a ride before the November > conference, since it is a first try for me. Therefore I was wondering > if some QGis and GvSIG poweruser would be available during the > Saturday codesprint for comparison on some tasks together with the > uDig team. > > That said, I would love to hear from anyone what he would like to see > tested in such a comparison, browsing from the easiest line creation > to the most particular and odd reprojection. > For that I just opened a small subsection in the uDig code sprint > area: > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Code_Sprint#The_desktop_comparison_tasks_list > Feel free to add whatever comes to your mind. > > Thanks, > Andrea > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] desktop gis comparison at code sprint foss4g
Hi all, but mainly QGis-sers and gvSig-gers (I am now speaking as uDig-ger). In Italy in November we have our annual GFOSS conference and this year we proposed a workshop in which desktop GIS are compared. So what should happen, is that we create a list of tasks that then are shown/compared on every GIS during the workshop, in order to highlight the strenghts of every GIS and hide the weaknesses behind the availability of other possibilities. At the Italian conference QGis/grass, gvSig/sextante and uDig/JGrass/Axios will be put into the game, which is why I mainly address those groups now, but obviously others are welcome. I would really love to give this thing a ride before the November conference, since it is a first try for me. Therefore I was wondering if some QGis and GvSIG poweruser would be available during the Saturday codesprint for comparison on some tasks together with the uDig team. That said, I would love to hear from anyone what he would like to see tested in such a comparison, browsing from the easiest line creation to the most particular and odd reprojection. For that I just opened a small subsection in the uDig code sprint area: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2009_Code_Sprint#The_desktop_comparison_tasks_list Feel free to add whatever comes to your mind. Thanks, Andrea ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
