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> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:50 AM
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> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
>
> Hi
>
> Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo groups?
> Does OSGeo
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On Behalf Of Maxim Dubinin
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:50 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Hi
Local OSGe
"Fawcett, David" wrote:
> Mateusz,
>
> Thanks for posting this reference, I wasn't aware of it. It is a gold
> mine!
>
> Obviously, thanks to Chris for putting this course together and making
> it available to the world too.
>
> David.
>
Wow, yes it's great isn't it? Even some topology exa
-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:21 AM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Eric Wolf wrote:
> I surely don't need another project right now, but I've been trolling
to
> find a co-author to create a
Eric,
Now you're talk'in. Sure took this thread long enough to get here. :c)
The Stick method allows for exactly what Eric describes, ease of use. The same
sorts of things I'm running into for Emergency Preparedness materials, I'm
currently putting together as a prototype. I've been ponde
- "Eric Wolf" wrote:
>
> Maybe we should focus on a GIS on a stick product rather than a
> LiveDVD?
Jo Cook wrote you a Windows one of those already :) - so you could even give to
the students for ongoing use of the tools and data. And of course that is about
as functional a toolset (i
Hi Eric,
Maybe we should focus on a GIS on a stick product rather than a LiveDVD?
We (CASCADOSS project) have been using our own distro for the training. You
will find it here: http://cascadoss.competterra.com/cascadoss.php?livedvd_en
I am not entirely sure, but I think Compet-Terra developed a v
Eric Wolf wrote:
> I surely don't need another project right now, but I've been trolling to
> find a co-author to create a cookbook-style Python geoprocessing book that
> uses GDAL/OGR and other FOSS libraries. This would be considered a text for
> a fairly advanced GIS course.
Eric,
You may want
As Ian said, the Universities are stuck in a vicious circle. Believe it or
not, faculty do try to teach a GIScience that is independent of any
particular software package. But the perspective ends up being that ESRI
provides both the tools and teaching materials in a consistent manner. If
the facul
Ian Turton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Charlie Schweik
wrote:
I'm also wondering if we could get some funding somewhere to hold an invited
workshop (that pays for people to attend) to really dig into this.
http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/gpg/nsf04_23/2.jsp#IID7 - I'm game to aid in
the
Charlie Schweik wrote:
.
This connects back to my earlier education post that Frank Warmerdam
responded to. He asked:
"I would have thought it would be more productive to take existing
curriculum guidelines and get project support in rebuilding them around
foss projects/products. Perha
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Charlie Schweik
wrote:
>
> I'm also wondering if we could get some funding somewhere to hold an invited
> workshop (that pays for people to attend) to really dig into this.
>
http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/gpg/nsf04_23/2.jsp#IID7 - I'm game to aid in
the request but I do
As a possible interim step, visiting lecturers are often welcome if they
bring some credentials. ~ AS
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Charlie Schweik
wrote:
> Ravi wrote:
>
>> 'Universities should teach only with FOSS'
>>
>> Wish academia think like that.
>>
> Part of the issue is getting facul
Ravi wrote:
'Universities should teach only with FOSS'
Wish academia think like that.
Part of the issue is getting faculty to learn themselves and make the
shift. This underlies what I am getting at. I need to learn it. Busy
faculty teach what they have learned in the past. I'm currently invo
sities have FOSS GIS on their Syllabus, and OSGeo India chapter
is helping them teach.
Cheers
Ravi Kumar
--- On Fri, 2/10/09, Agustin Diez Castillo wrote:
> From: Agustin Diez Castillo
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
> To: "Ian Turton" , "OSGeo Disc
Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
I'm proposing the education group help match up existing FOSS teaching
material with a recognised curriculum. e.g. the curriculum might say that a
student needs to learn about geographic coordinate systems - so we match up
a module that provides sample data and show
"Agustin Diez Castillo" wrote:
> you're right we should teach techniques and no software packages but more
than
> that we should educate free citizens.
> Truly, I can not understand why Universities teach closed knowledge when
we
> should knowledge [openness is required to be knowledge]. We shoul
I think is the other way around, Universities should teach only with FOSS. I
like to think that at the universities we try to educate citizens no
technicians, so
if we want that our graduates become free citizens we only have a way to do so,
teach them with free tools. For years now, I've been
Ian,
there were many responses already but let me add mine:
I have been fortunate to have a different experience
(maybe due the the fact that NCSU has a strong open source community
thanks to RedHat headquarters here on campus - and they are doing
very well).
There were two core things that
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On Behalf Of Ian Turton
Sent: 02 October 2009 16:55
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Peter Batty wrote:
> I think that programs to encourage greater use of OSGeo products in
> universities would be a great
Hi,
2009/10/2 Ian Turton :
> Currently universities are locked in a vicious circle with GIS
> software in that the students demand we teach them on ESRI software
> because that's what employers want and employers use ESRI software as
> that is what the universities are teaching the students on.
>
Ian Turton wrote:
Currently universities are locked in a vicious circle with GIS
software in that the students demand we teach them on ESRI software
because that's what employers want and employers use ESRI software as
that is what the universities are teaching the students on.
So *I* think that
I empathize with your sentiment, Ian, but disagree with your
arguments. More below.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Ian Turton wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Peter Batty wrote:
>
>> I think that programs to encourage greater use of OSGeo products in
>> universities would be a great id
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Ian Turton wrote:
> So *I* think that universities are a lost cause and we should focus on
> high schools
Forget the great unwashed, think about providing useful materials
online to people who actually *want* to learn about the tools.
http://workshops.opengeo.org/
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Peter Batty wrote:
> I think that programs to encourage greater use of OSGeo products in
> universities would be a great idea too - ESRI dominate in this area at the
> moment, but this would be another way to get the word out to a broader
> audience.
Currently un
A good discussion and one which is important for OSGeo's future. I agree
with Cédric's initial statement that "The OSGEO is very developer centric
and probably need more input from management, end user, marketing etc..."
and I think that the responses to this thread reflect that. Most developers
in
On Wed, September 30, 2009 18:49, Maxim Dubinin wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo groups?
> Does OSGeo have a strategy to
> build communication with them?
>
> Maxim
Maxim,
yes, OSGeo's intent it to embrace and support existing organizations with
the
"Jacolin Yves" wrote:
> Hello Cédric,
>
> I think more people think same as you relating this point of view :) :
>
> Le Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:28:20 Cédric Moullet, vous avez écrit :
>> The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from
>> management, end user, market
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:36:35AM -0700, Paul Ramsey wrote:
> That kind of high-touch approach will have to be left to those (like,
> hopefully OpenGeo) who are building and monetizing products around the
> core software. The non-profit core organization can't do that unless
> it's willing to beco
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 04:24:37PM +, Chris Puttick wrote:
>
> - "Christopher Schmidt" wrote:
> > >
> > > Speak to whom? Decision makers with no real knowledge of the thing
> > they are
> > > signing off on, being advised by lazy people who have some
> > understanding but
> > > want to e
> Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo
> groups? Does OSGeo have a strategy to
> build communication with them?
You mean groups like local ESRI chapters, ASPRS chapters, GIS professionals,
etc?
I'd encourage the local chapters to find such non-OSGeo local groups and o
Hi
Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo groups? Does
OSGeo have a strategy to
build communication with them?
Maxim
Вы писали 30 сентября 2009 г., 11:03:35:
>> where the cost of software licenses is far to high for the
>> budgets thay have. Naturally, some of the use
Frank Warmerdam wrote:
I would instead express this as OSGeo needs end users (including their
managers), and those interested in it's marketting (which I would prefer
to call promotion) to get more actively involved and contribute.
Education activities are, of course, one form of promotion. Ther
That kind of high-touch approach will have to be left to those (like,
hopefully OpenGeo) who are building and monetizing products around the
core software. The non-profit core organization can't do that unless
it's willing to become much more vendor-like, which is something OSGeo
has repeatedly shi
- "Christopher Schmidt" wrote:
> >
> > Speak to whom? Decision makers with no real knowledge of the thing
> they are
> > signing off on, being advised by lazy people who have some
> understanding but
> > want to ensure they cover their back and don't have to try too hard
> rather
> > than im
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Christopher Schmidt
wrote:
> For this reason, efforts like "Marketing" are (in my opinion) less important
> than, for example, setting up a test server for running buildbot, or other
> things that help software become successful.
I agree with Chris, and I think i
Rafal Wawer wrote:
Hi Frank, For your end-users I see a lot of opportunities in developing
countries,
Rafal,
So do I, particularly because I think in those countries people will
see that some elbow grease and investment in their own knowledge can
give them what they need for a low cost, and p
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 02:57:15PM +, Chris Puttick wrote:
>
> - "P Kishor" wrote:
>
> > 2009/9/30 Cédric Moullet :
> > ..
> > > - The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input
> > from
> > > management, end user, marketing etc...
> > ..
> >
> > noo!
> >
> >
From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org]
On Behalf Of Frank Warmerdam
Sent: 30 September 2009 17:14
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Jacolin Yves wrote:
> Hello Cédric,
>
> I think more people think same as
Jacolin Yves wrote:
Hello Cédric,
I think more people think same as you relating this point of view :) :
Le Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:28:20 Cédric Moullet, vous avez écrit :
The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from
management, end user, marketing etc...
Fo
force for good in that area.
-mpg
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> From: discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-
> boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:58 AM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Dis
- "P Kishor" wrote:
> 2009/9/30 Cédric Moullet :
> ..
> > - The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input
> from
> > management, end user, marketing etc...
> ..
>
> noo!
>
> Let our work, and not marketers and management, speak for us.
>
Speak to whom? Decision
Christopher Schmidt wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 04:28:20PM +0200, Cédric Moullet wrote:
I'm sorry (and unhappy) to say that the
GIS leaders (ESRI, Autdoesk, Intergraph etc...) don't see OSGEO has an
important contradictor: from my point of view, this is what needs to be
changed in the next 5
2009/9/30 Cédric Moullet :
..
> - The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from
> management, end user, marketing etc...
..
noo!
Let our work, and not marketers and management, speak for us.
--
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Carbon Model http://carbonmode
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 04:28:20PM +0200, Cédric Moullet wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I read these interesting answers and I'd like to bring my point of view. I
> know, I'm quite new in the OSGEO world (1 year, previously by Autodesk and
> other "porprietary" structures), but I'm sorry (and unhappy) to say th
Hello Cédric,
I think more people think same as you relating this point of view :) :
Le Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:28:20 Cédric Moullet, vous avez écrit :
> The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from
> management, end user, marketing etc...
Best regards,
Y.
--
Yv
Hi,
I read these interesting answers and I'd like to bring my point of view. I
know, I'm quite new in the OSGEO world (1 year, previously by Autodesk and
other "porprietary" structures), but I'm sorry (and unhappy) to say that the
GIS leaders (ESRI, Autdoesk, Intergraph etc...) don't see OSGEO has
Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote:
I want to add that for me it is also a goal to limit OSGeo's growth wrt
the number of paid staff and budget. We can make good use with 100k more
for hardware, services and to have more reserves for the conferences.
But I believe that we should not let the budget grow
:
> From: Massimo Di Stefano
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
> To: "OSGeo Discussions"
> Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 11:14 PM
> Hi All,
>
> I agree with you i think we need a "local chapter" policy,
> to redistribute knowl
Hi All,
I agree with you i think we need a "local chapter" policy, to
redistribute knowledge and organizational experience through the LC,
helping ourselves to organize hack meetings and local conferences.
I think we also need to focus on an "educational strategy" to promote
FOSS inside u
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:40:17PM -0500, Howard Butler wrote:
>
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over
>> the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the
>> matter
>> and pool a few
Howard,
your list looks good to me. OSGeo should focus on:
* Local Chapters
* Conferences (FOSS4G + many, many localized versions)
* Global strategic binding (that is cross project, journal, marketing, etc.)
I want to add that for me it is also a goal to limit OSGeo's growth wrt
the number of paid
In my opinion, a major challenge is to extend OSGeo beyond it's
present topical range. Presently, OSGeo deals mainly with "classical"
GIS, webmapping, and underlying technologies (generalised). I think
this is also captured in this thread where references to and
comparison with commercial G
Dimitris Kotzinos ha scritto:
> Dear all,
>
> I think that organizations like OSGeo have the difficult task to combine
> two - not always compatible - lines of action:
One thing I would like to see is more infrastructure for projects: I think this
would make life
easier for several projects, and
Perhaps this is related to Helena's OSGeo Edu posting , but more efforts
towards outreach to the Elementary, Middle, and High School ( pre-college)
educational communities. Working with them to set up pre-packaged lessons
involving geographic concepts in which you can give the student a CD/DVD
w
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> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:35 PM
> > To: OSGeo Discussions
> > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for
Monday, September 14, 2009 2:35 PM
> To: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
>
> What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical
> tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put
> the facilities in pla
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
On
ay, September 14, 2009 2:35 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical
tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put
the facilities in place for people to program thei
On Behalf Of maning sambale
Sent: 15 September 2009 06:16
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.
data format libraries - done!
algorithm/analytic libraries = +1 . GRASS has an extensive collec
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On Behalf Of maning sambale
Sent: 15 September 2009 06:16
To: OSGeo Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGE
>
> Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.
>
>
+1, from a software point of view.
I can compare my experience as a user and programmer in the last five years
with OSGeo (and other FOSS tools) against my parallel experience with
ArcGIS, Erdas, Isatis, etc. A very sintheti
Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.
data format libraries - done!
algorithm/analytic libraries = +1 . GRASS has an extensive collection.
Would be good for other OSGEO projects to reuse them.
cartographic libraries = +1
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Helena Mit
On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Howard Butler wrote:
On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo
over
the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the
matter
and pool a few of the ideas togethe
On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over
the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the
matter
and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst
committees, projects,
What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical
tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put
the facilities in place for people to program their own tools. However,
as I have noticed over the years, people are reluctant to move to open
source imple
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