[slim] Re: Playing WMA in native format.

2006-01-31 Thread ceejay
Native WMA playing has only recently been added to the Squeezebox firmware, not sure if its made it into Softsqueeze yet (you mention version 2.2 which makes me think you mean Softsqueeze rather than Squeezebox). Slimserver will play AAC files, though the extension is more usually M4A, I think -

[slim] Re: Swapping wireless card? (repost)

2006-01-31 Thread mpjohnst
seanadams Wrote: It would probably be easier to get a 5GHZ phone but... there is a possibility that an Atheros 802.11a card would work - it's been a LONG time since I've tried it though. Yeah, unfortunately I just got a whole setup a few months ago with 1 base unit + 4 handsets.

[slim] Re: Access to SlimServer 6.2 from the internet

2006-01-31 Thread chris . mason
I regularly listen to music streamed from my SlimServer at home, from work. I have windows XP, running Slim, behind a router and firewall. I connect using SSH. I have Cygwin installed on my windows PC, and have port 22 (standard SSH port) forwarded to that machine. In my work place, I can get

[slim] Re: Squeezebox 1g for sale (UK)

2006-01-31 Thread Bruce Hartley
Shipping to Canada £33 + £6 insurance. Rgds, Bruce. -- Bruce Hartley Bruce Hartley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20544

[slim] Re: Yes, SB2 as alarm clock

2006-01-31 Thread bglad
how about an enhancement to turn off the display a minute after you've set the sleep function? from that state, hitting any key should reactivate the display -- bglad bglad's Profile:

[slim] Re: Can't access Radioio Ambient - Anyone else?

2006-01-31 Thread chrism
Yep - same here. I thought it was just me and haven't persued it, but I think you are right. -- chrism chrism's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3476 View this thread:

[slim] Re: Yes, SB2 as alarm clock

2006-01-31 Thread Gatchers
From my experience of using these displays back in the days of writing fruit machines many years ago, the displays are kind of controlled by their own firmware which allows brightness setting, etc, but you don't have low enough level access to PWM the brightness level properly yourself. You can

[slim] Re: Squeezebox Remote Control Question

2006-01-31 Thread vdorta
I remember seeing a different JVC code: 756 -- vdorta vdorta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20580

[slim] Re: Playing WMA in native format.

2006-01-31 Thread b_prem
Thanks Ceejay. 1. Apart from the using Softsqueeze 2.2, i have also used a client written by me, with which I read from the slimserver. When ever I clicked a WMA file, I get a stop slimproto command. Also when I read the HTTP stream, i get only zero bytes. Slimserver is not at all streaming this

[slim] Re: Playing WMA in native format.

2006-01-31 Thread funkstar
b_prem Wrote: 2. Does it mean that, Slimserver does not stream in native AAC format? Correct. Only MP3, FLAC, WMA (lossy, not lossless) and Wav/PCM/AIFF are streamed directly to the SB -- funkstar funkstar's Profile:

[slim] Re: When should I switch from SQLLite to MySQL?

2006-01-31 Thread max . spicer
I've never heard of ungrant. To be honest, if you're not comfortable with MySQL already, you may be better off using the supported solution i.e. the sqllite db. You don't need to specifically create the slimserver user. 'grant all on slimserver.* to slimserver' implicitly creates the user

[slim] Re: Squeezebox 1g for sale (UK)

2006-01-31 Thread Michaelwagner
Ouch! Thanks. I'm going to try to find one a little closer to home. Plus I forgot yours will have european plug connectors on it ... -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile:

[slim] Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread Kevin Weller
I'm not sure how I can achieve this and I suspect it's not possible but here goes anyway. My Squeezeboxes are on random mix pretty much full time. That can give me an issue if music with bad language is played at an inopportune time such as when children or 'sensitive' people are in the house.

[slim] Are you willing to pay for a Sirius Radio plug-in?

2006-01-31 Thread Kyle
A developer has come up with an XM plug-in, but so far there is no Sirius plug-in. I'd be willing to pay for such a program, and if others are too, maybe we could entice the XM developer or someone else to work on it. Post here if you'd be willing to kick in a nominal amount to encourage

[slim] Re: Playing WMA in native format.

2006-01-31 Thread b_prem
Thanks Ceejay for the update on AAC. Also, have you tried streaming WMA, with the settings which I have specified. Are you able to stream with those settings? ServerSettings -- File Types --FileFormat=Windows Media, StreamFormat =Windows Media, Decoder=Windows Media. -- b_prem

[slim] Re: Problem refreshing handheld skin from pda

2006-01-31 Thread artherstrasse
I'm on 6.2.1. Just tried to replicate your issue. No, mine works fine. I'm using Palm Garnet 5.4.9 and Blazer 4.3 on a Palm TX. -- artherstrasse artherstrasse's Profile:

[slim] Radioio Connection problem

2006-01-31 Thread sleepysurf
Anybody else having problems with Radioio streams? I can connect and stream Radioio via Squeezenetwork, but when trying to play directly via my Squeezebox2/3/Slimserver, can't connect? I am using WinXP, 6.2.2 nightly (1/31), and Firmware 29. Never encountered this before. -- sleepysurf

Re: [slim] who wrote server in java?

2006-01-31 Thread Josef Shvejk
Here is the link: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19843 Ido not knowwhat the current status is. On 1/30/06, Peter Speck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,Didn't somebody write a little time ago that he/she had startedwriting a server in java for the SqueezeBox? The only thing I can find

[slim] Re: Are you willing to pay for a Sirius Radio plug-in?

2006-01-31 Thread jonheal
Kyle Wrote: A developer has come up with an XM plug-in, but so far there is no Sirius plug-in. I'd be willing to pay for such a program, and if others are too, maybe we could entice the XM developer or someone else to work on it. Post here if you'd be willing to kick in a nominal amount

[slim] Re: Are you willing to pay for a Sirius Radio plug-in?

2006-01-31 Thread duff138
I dislike free radio, so a Sirius Radio plug-in sounds interesting -- duff138 duff138's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20621

Re: [slim] Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread Greg Klanderman
Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (It just occured to me that if I add pseudo-genres to music (bad language, party, exercise...) I could exclude them based on genre but is Slimserver capable of decoding multiple genres in a tag and is the genre table for random mix populated based on

[slim] Re: Squeezebox 1g for sale (UK)

2006-01-31 Thread malsbury
radish Wrote: I have a 1G I don't need in the US (NJ), shipping should be less than from the UK. Interested?I'm in NJ too, and I might have an interested friend if Bruce doesn't take it and it is wireless unit. You can PM me here on the forums or email directly with the details if you would

[slim] Re: Squeezebox 1g for sale (UK)

2006-01-31 Thread radish
I have a 1G I don't need in the US (NJ), shipping should be less than from the UK. Interested? -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread:

[slim] SlimServer v6.2.1 working with MySQL - flawless results after a week

2006-01-31 Thread Dave Strickler
Its been a little while running SQLite, and I thought I would chime in an give you a "report from the field"... 1. I have seen no slow-downs in Slimserver's response, either from the web or from the SB itself. It's as snappy as the day I hooked in MySQL. 2. Both my SB2 and SB3 have not had a

Re: [slim] Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread Kevin Weller
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Klanderman wrote: I haven't tried Random Mix yet, but judging from threads on this forum it does not yet support including and excluding genres which is really needed for this to work right. Oh yes, you're quite correct of course and I'd forgotten that. The

[slim] tags and solutions

2006-01-31 Thread Steven Moore
I noticed that tag issues keep cropping up again and again through different versions of slimserver and I was wondering how slimserver 'expects' the tags to look like. ie what is the proper format of the tags that will mean that that tracks/albums etc are scanned in correctly into slimserver.

[slim] Re: Are you willing to pay for a Sirius Radio plug-in?

2006-01-31 Thread vain4
i'd like a sirius plug in as well -- vain4 vain4's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3502 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20621

[slim] Re: Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread Kyle
FWIW, MusicMagic allows you to exclude albums, artists, tracks, etc., from its mixes. It also allows you to rate tracks via a rating system and exclude certain ratings from the mix. There's a free trial. -- Kyle Kyle's

[slim] Re: Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread snarlydwarf
If you have the following: Genre: Rock ; Explicit Genre: Rock Genre: Explicit RandomPlay will let you choose the rock and/or the explicit genres. If you choose rock, the first two tracks will play. If you choose explicit, the last two will. In other words, it's an or of the tags, which may

[slim] Re: Choppy play on Synched SB3 + 2x SB2s causes Synch delays/Unsynched

2006-01-31 Thread ajmitchell
You shouldn't see choppy play on either the sb2 or sb3 unless you're doing transcoding on the server or streaming something uncompressed I agree I shouldn't see it, but there it is nevertheless. The computer has plenty of capacity Athlon 2800 1GB RAM CPU useage very low throughout. No other PC

[slim] Re: Swapping wireless card? (repost)

2006-01-31 Thread seanadams
mpjohnst Wrote: Yeah, unfortunately I just got a whole setup a few months ago with 1 base unit + 4 handsets. Considering how congested my apartment building is already, I thought I would approach it from the other angle. Thanks I may give a try sometimes if the phone static becomes

[slim] Thanks

2006-01-31 Thread vain4
just got my squeezebox2 yesterday and the setup was very easy. i actually downloaded the server software last weekend and had been playing with it so i was already familiar with the funtions of the device and the remote which i think is what helped me set it up so quick. i was actually looking

Re: [slim] Re: Choppy play on Synched SB3 + 2x SB2s causes Synch delays/Unsynched

2006-01-31 Thread Ben Sandee
On 1/31/06, ajmitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You shouldn't see choppy play on either the sb2 or sb3 unless you'redoing transcoding on the server or streaming something uncompressed I agree I shouldn't see it, but there it is nevertheless. The computerhas plenty of capacity Athlon 2800 1GB RAM

Re: [slim] Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread Kevin Weller
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Klanderman wrote: SS does support multiple, custom genres: you have to set the option to allow multiple tags and tell it the separator you want to use. Seems a number of people are using semicolon ;. Actually, thinking about this some more I'm a bit

[slim] Re: Can't access Radioio Ambient - Anyone else?

2006-01-31 Thread Mike Anderson
^^ Thanks. -- Mike Anderson 'FREE RADICAL RADIO!' (http://nvo.com/cd) Hours of free radical MP3s. Mike Anderson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1705 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread Richie
Actually, thinking about this some more I'm a bit confused. ID3V2.3 supports multiple genres so shouldn't Slimserver just follow the standard? (not that there are many programmes around that allow the input of multiple genres in this way - ID3-TagIT is the only I've come across). Slimserver

[slim] Re: Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread snarlydwarf
I think that's the problem -- the standard is null-terminated strings, so if a program doesn't actually support them it may be impossible to fake it. You may be able to use '\0' as the seperator in slimserver. I haven't tried, but it may very well work... but then you're back to the how the

[slim] Re: Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread snarlydwarf
Richie Wrote: Slimserver does read multiple genres in separate tags. For FLAC. yes, but it's misformatted to have multiple TCON frames in an id3 tag. id3v2.3 spec Wrote: There may only be one text information frame of its kind in an tag. (And actually with id3v2.3, the delimiter for

Re: [slim] SB3 coaxial output losing lock signal...

2006-01-31 Thread Mark Lanctot
Replace the light dimmer. They are notorious EMI emitters. empty99 wrote: whenever I use light dimmer switches in the house, causing loud scratchy noises. I am currently forced to use the optical out. Any cure appreciated, TN SB3MF A3.24/192K DACAlps Blackwidow pot2 Naks PA7BW 802

[slim] Re: Access to SlimServer 6.2 from the internet

2006-01-31 Thread mparin
Yesterday, I downloaded OpenSSH and installed and configured it on the same machine as my SlimServer. Note that this machine is behind my linksys router/firewall but I have forwarded port 22 to the machine. I also setup the rsa, i.e. authentication keys, etc. and it all works great.. I

[slim] Re: Access to SlimServer 6.2 from the internet

2006-01-31 Thread MrC
mparin Wrote: However, the wife has to try it. She'll be at work tomorrow and i'll have her try it then.. Did your wife attempt port 22 access to my server? I didn't get a response from you on this. mparin Wrote: A quick question on OpenSSH, is there a way for me to change the

[slim] Re: SB3 coaxial output losing lock signal...

2006-01-31 Thread Patrick Dixon
I'd guess it's more likely to be earth related: the optical connection provides electrical isolation between the SB and the DAC, whereas the S/PDIF doesn't. You could try attaching an earth to the earth sleeve on one of the SB phono outputs. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk

Re: [slim] Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread Kevin Weller
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richie wrote: Slimserver does read multiple genres in separate tags. Mp3tag and foobar2000 also allow you to set multiple genres in separate tags. Ah thanks, It sounds like it's worthwhile me pursuing that line in case Random Mix is ever updated to include

[slim] Re: Radioio Connection problem

2006-01-31 Thread sleepysurf
I emailed Radioio to inquire if the problem is at THEIR end, and it appears to be. This was their response... We've been having problems off and on at the network end of things since Saturday. All I can tell you right now is they are working on it. -- sleepysurf squeezebox2 (with elpac

RE: [slim] Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread Peter van Cooten
Slimserver is perfectly capable of handling multiple genres: check the multiple items in tag in the behaviour settings. Another question is what happens when you have the genre tag rap;indecent, and start a random mix INcluding rap and EXcluding indecent. I don't know, but I guess it still would

[slim] Re: Thanks

2006-01-31 Thread slimdemage
is your new Squeezebox a v3? If so, what wireless router are you using it with? -- slimdemage slimdemage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3606 View this thread:

[slim] Squeezebox display doubled

2006-01-31 Thread Bruce Tucker
This may have been answered before, but I'm just returning to the list after a long absence. I recently installed Slimserver 6.2.1 and Softsqueeze 2.2, but my Softsqueeze displays the same line twice. Is this a known bug or is something wrong that can be corrected? Bruce

[slim] Hard drive format for Windows 98

2006-01-31 Thread Kyle
I bought a new hard drive to back up my music files and also use on another computer that is Windows 98. I converted my original external hard drive (where my music files are now stored on a Windows XP macine) to NTFS from FAT32. The new hard drive is FAT32, and I'm thinking I want to keep that

[slim] Re: Hard drive format for Windows 98

2006-01-31 Thread tfec
NTFS - FAT32: no problem if files are not larger than 4 GByte. Securitysettings are not copied. FAT32 - NTFS: no problem -- tfec Gruss, TISI entweder man lebt, oder man ist konsequent. -(erich kästner)-

[slim] Re: Hard drive format for Windows 98

2006-01-31 Thread dwc
Kyle, Copying files should not be an issue, but the FAT32 file system doesn't handle errors as well as ntfs does, so you may be more prone to drive errors. It's be best to get off 98 if you can and move to XP if the box can handle it. It looks like Win98 scandisk has issues with large fat32

[slim] Re: Hard drive format for Windows 98

2006-01-31 Thread Kyle
dwc Wrote: Kyle, Copying files should not be an issue, but the FAT32 file system doesn't handle errors as well as ntfs does, so you may be more prone to drive errors. It's be best to get off 98 if you can and move to XP if the box can handle it. I think the box could handle it. How

[slim] Re: Hard drive format for Windows 98

2006-01-31 Thread radish
You can get the XP Home Upgrade edition for around $100, the upgrade from 98 should be as straightforward as sticking the disc in and answering some questions. If you're feeling braver, take a backup, wipe the disk and do a clean install. -- radish

[slim] Re: SB3 coaxial output losing lock signal...

2006-01-31 Thread abdomen
empty99 Wrote: whenever I use light dimmer switches in the house, causing loud scratchy noises. I am currently forced to use the optical out. Any cure appreciated, TN SB3MF A3.24/192K DACAlps Blackwidow pot2 Naks PA7BW 802 Nautilus I don't know if this will be helpful, but below are

[slim] Re: Playing WMA in native format.

2006-01-31 Thread RalphO
I had a similar issue which turned out to be due to the WMA files being protected. I found that all files I loaded through Windows XP media center were protected but with Media player I could turn this off when I stored my Cd's to the PC. Also I had to delete any that I had already added and

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox Remote Control Question

2006-01-31 Thread Charles Stanton
MyOnkyo remtoe does not have a learning function and I think I have tried 20 or 30 codes (all possible JVC codes I could find in the Onkyo manual as well as anywhere else plus just some other random ones (trying to 'get lucky'). None work, so I suppose I am out of luck. BTW, in response to

[slim] Optimizing Slimserver on a dedicated machine

2006-01-31 Thread Charles Stanton
I have slimserver 6.2.2 running on a dedicated Pentium III 1.2 G with 512 RAM. The OS is W2K Pro. The machine does nothing except run slimserver and music magic. I am looking for advice on what I can do to optimize slimserver for this environment. In Windows, besides removing pretty much all

Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox Remote Control Question

2006-01-31 Thread kdf
Quoting Charles Stanton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BTW, in response to kdf, I thouhgt the codes were set by the manufacturer of the box you are trying to control, not set by the manufacturer of the remote and its corresponding component. what you seem to be saying is the manufacturer of the remote

[slim] Re: Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread dborn
Peter van Cooten Wrote: Another question is what happens when you have the genre tag rap;indecent, and start a random mix INcluding rap and EXcluding indecent. I don't know, but I guess it still would be played based on the rap tag. I would think that any EXclude should take precedence

[slim] Documenting the use of tags in Slimserver

2006-01-31 Thread dborn
Hi, I've read many threads and have had my share of tagging questions concerning slimserver. It would be very useful to have documentation on the subject of what tags should be used and how, in order to use all the great features in slimserver. Maybe it's just me but I can't get most of the

Re: [slim] Re: Random Mix: Limiting what is played

2006-01-31 Thread Robin Bowes
dborn said the following on 01/31/2006 11:27 PM: Peter van Cooten Wrote: Another question is what happens when you have the genre tag rap;indecent, and start a random mix INcluding rap and EXcluding indecent. I don't know, but I guess it still would be played based on the rap tag. I

[slim] Re: Thanks

2006-01-31 Thread vain4
vain4 Wrote: just got my squeezebox2 yesterday and the setup was very easy. linksys WRT54G Firmware Version: v3.03.1 and WPA/tkip DHCP address i am on the same floor as the wireless router but there are 2 walls between them and i'm well within the range of the wireless signal the squeezebox

[slim] Re: Optimizing Slimserver on a dedicated machine

2006-01-31 Thread radish
Well, firstly you don't state what you're trying to achieve - is there a specific problem you're trying to solve? To answer some of your points in a general sense: I set it to optimize for background services, rather than applications under Performance Options (I assume this should help as

[slim] Re: Documenting the use of tags in Slimserver

2006-01-31 Thread Michaelwagner
One of the problems is that development in this area moves so quickly, it's hard to document ... -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread:

[slim] Re: SB3 internal pic?

2006-01-31 Thread Michaelwagner
seanadams Wrote: Makes sense - we probably should at least start a new thread for this though... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20644 -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile:

[slim] Re: SB3 internal pic?

2006-01-31 Thread radish
Michaelwagner Wrote: A Occasionally a DJ will want to speed up a song part way through to make the energy higher, or to match the next song that's coming up (beat matching). In most of those cases, 10% is plenty (at least in my experience ... but then, I'm not the sort of DJ that does beat

[slim] Varying volumes of tracks in Random Mix

2006-01-31 Thread jimcdenver
I am sure I am not alone in this problem. The volume level varies quite substantially from track to track when playing a Random Mix, and I expect this same behaviour would occur during a Playlist. I have tried changing the SB3 to use Smart Gain, Track Gain and Album Gain but nothing has worked so

[slim] Re: Varying volumes of tracks in Random Mix

2006-01-31 Thread snarlydwarf
jimcdenver Wrote: I am sure I am not alone in this problem. The volume level varies quite substantially from track to track when playing a Random Mix, and I expect this same behaviour would occur during a Playlist. I have tried changing the SB3 to use Smart Gain, Track Gain and Album Gain

Re: [slim] Re: Optimizing Slimserver on a dedicated machine

2006-01-31 Thread Charles Stanton
Thanks. The 'problem' I am trying to address is to get the web interface to work more quickly. I primarily use the web interface, not the remote. It can take 30 seconds to load certain pages (like Browse Albums or Browse Artists). The music library is about 10K songs. The slow load times are not

Re: [slim] Re: Optimizing Slimserver on a dedicated machine

2006-01-31 Thread Robin Bowes
I really don't think it is much of a RAM problem: I notice that the CPU pretty much gets maxed out when loading pages like Browse Artists, Browse Albums. It just may be that I need to move slimserver to a machine with a faster CPU. I was hoping I could use the older PIII as it is a

[slim] Re: SB3 internal pic?

2006-01-31 Thread Michaelwagner
radish Wrote: The industry standard is +/- 8% My later decks can do 2 ranges, (I think) ±8 and ±16%, switchable. [QUOTE}As for that pitch correction, well you're right, it's hard to do well. [/QUOTE} My decks do it well. And it's all embedded software in a not very impressive processor. So it

[slim] Re: Playing WMA in native format.

2006-01-31 Thread b_prem
Thanks Ralpho, Were you able to stream unprotected WMA files, with settings as below? ServerSettings -- File Types --FileFormat=Windows Media, StreamFormat =Windows Media, Decoder=Windows Media. -- b_prem b_prem's

[slim] Re: I want a Squeezebox boombox

2006-01-31 Thread BRB
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17185 Question:

[slim] Re: SB3 internal pic?

2006-01-31 Thread radish
Michaelwagner Wrote: My later decks can do 2 ranges, (I think) ±8 and ±16%, switchable. Sure, plenty of decks (particularly Vestax) can do wider ranges, but since 90% of clubs use 1210s, that's what DJs expect to have - hence industry standard. My decks do it well. And it's all embedded

[slim] Re: Anyone else seeing evidence of a memory leak?

2006-01-31 Thread tim
I have a memory leak caught on tape http://mywebpages.comcast.net/t.limon/slim/P1310860.MOV I'm running XPSP2 on a headless dedicated box (512Meg Kingston ram, AMD Duron 800 Mhz, Shuttle Mobo) SlimServer Version: 6.2.1 - 5194 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252 Every 3 or 4 days, I get Virtual memory

[slim] Re: SB3 coaxial output losing lock signal...

2006-01-31 Thread empty99
I will check on the grounding potential, a likely culprit and fairly EZ to test. I am quite happy with optical output quality but just want to find out why the problem w/ coax. Thanks again, TN -- empty99 empty99's

[slim] Re: Optimizing Slimserver on a dedicated machine

2006-01-31 Thread ceejay
You haven't mentioned which database you are using, but there is always the option of switching to mySQL. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20281 for a recent discussion on this. Have you tried this one? Ceejay -- ceejay