Peter Hunt;362629 Wrote:
In Squidgy and/or Ipeng native apps, can one tap the scroll bar at the
bottom of the Now Playing screen to advance to specific timepoints
within a track?
This would be an important function for me.
Thanks,
Peter
iPeng: yes.
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kidstypike;362664 Wrote:
A mountain in the English Lake District
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidsty_Pike
kidstypike
Does that beat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseberry_Topping ?
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Labarum;362669 Wrote:
Does that beat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseberry_Topping ?
Yeah, I know that one, sounds like something you'd have with your
ice-cream!
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I don't use any of my Squeezeboxen as an alarm.
I don't use SqueezeNetwork.
I leave all my Squeezeboxen powered up when I shut down my PC.
When SqueezeCenter is shut down my SBB displays the time.
When SqueezeCenter is shut down my SB3 displays a blank screen.
Is this a firmware difference, or
Those errors are probably due to:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9423
It's caused by a database that has been upgraded since 6.5 through
7.0.0 to a current release. The easiest way to fix them without
upgrading to 7.3 is:
1. Shutdown SqueezeCenter
2. Delete the Cache directory
3.
new at digital music understanding. A question on sample rates when
I copy CD's to the PC FLAC format they are all at 44khz. Is it the
source that determines the sample rate?
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This is a firmware hardware difference so the SBB can act as alarm
clock even if it's disconnected from SC/SN.
There's even a small battery inside which will power a backup clock
and eventually trigger alarms scheduled for the next time.
AFAIR the SBB has some sound samples in the firmware for
jazztime;362695 Wrote:
I'm planning to buy some remote solution for my one Transporter and two
Squeezeboxes setup. But I'm uncertain if I should buy the Controller or
a iPod touch (or Iphone) with some of the iPeng, iSqueeze/Squeemote,
Squidgy software. The Controller i 370$ and the iPod
schiegl;362690 Wrote:
This is a firmware hardware difference so the SBB can act as alarm
clock even if it's disconnected from SC/SN.
There's even a small battery inside which will power a backup clock
and eventually trigger alarms scheduled for the next time.
AFAIR the SBB has some sound
hmm...when i played with downsampling i set player.source=debug (as you
did already) and copied the command which eventually will be executed
to the windows command line:
(a guess, you need to find this string in your logfile)
Code:
kidstypike;362701 Wrote:
I think it would be a good idea if the SB3 had some visual indicator
showing that it was connected to the mains.
kidstypike
There have been hot discussions (search the forums) about this topic.
Some folks want to power down the SC/WLAN-Router/Network and expect
mattybain;362699 Wrote:
$370 for 1 controller, are you sure? that sounds very expensive, I
didn't pay that much for my Duet here in the UK.
I have 2 controllers and 1 iPhone and have been on the beta test for
iSqueeze (Squeemote).
To be honest I have been frustrated with the
Hi, im running Visa 64 and was wondering how to suppress the DOS box
also. I want a headless player, but a DOS box is not headless :)
I have tried -o, but i still get a DOS box.
Many thanks.
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Only Squidgy is publicly available; I doubt the beta-testers for the
other apps will comment until released on the AppStore.
As of now, I find the Controller with CustomeBrowse a much more viable
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I'm planning to buy some remote solution for my one Transporter and two
Squeezeboxes setup. But I'm uncertain if I should buy the Controller or
a iPod touch (or Iphone) with some of the iPeng, iSqueeze/Squeemote,
Squidgy software. The Controller i 370$ and the iPod touch (8gb) is
270$ (I'm in
kidstypike;362664 Wrote:
A mountain in the English Lake District
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidsty_Pike
kidstypike
:) .. I grew up on the foot of Wild Boar Fell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Boar_Fell
Lovely place, but still glad we moved to Switzerland.. I would have
ended up
How does Settings | Advanced | File Types work?
And does Settings | Player | Audio have any impact on it?
If I understand it correctly, SqueezeCenter can convert any given input
file type on the fly to three or four different other stream formats
before sending it to the player concerned ??
If
Honva;362658 Wrote:
For those with powerline adapter, I have a question.
Does the adapter work if plugged in a UPS(uninterrupted power supply)?
My area has short power outage every few days.
Thanks.
The ones I have, which I bought several years ago, specifically say not
to plug into a
Quoting jazztime ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
I'm planning to buy some remote solution for my one Transporter and two
Squeezeboxes setup. But I'm uncertain if I should buy the Controller or
a iPod touch (or Iphone) with some of the iPeng, iSqueeze/Squeemote,
Squidgy software. The Controller i 370$
Andrew - that's a mega-question!
I'll make a start:
1) Slim can't support Apple natively because Apple is a proprietory
format - sorry but AFAIK that will never happen, thanks to Apple.
2) Your player settings are independent of each other - even when
synced.
3) You should set ALAC to stream as
schiegl;362708 Wrote:
hmm...when i played with downsampling i set player.source=debug (as you
did already) and copied the command which eventually will be executed
to the windows command line:
(a guess, you need to find this string in your logfile)
Code:
Browsing in 1.1, my three most populated genres (most of my stuff) will
not display.
It does the the 'contacting server' bit but I just get a blank list.
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David C;362687 Wrote:
new at digital music understanding. A question on sample rates when
I copy CD's to the PC FLAC format they are all at 44khz. Is it the
source that determines the sample rate?
CD's (normal ones - aka redbook CD's) replay at 44.1kHz sample rate
with 16-bit bitdepth.
I've got three boxen and all are working and connected to my server - i
can play music via the remotes. However, none are showing up in
Squeezecenter - the players tab is blank.
I've just updated my install to the latest 7.2.1 release but it hasn't
fixed it. I think this started when i changed
ddewey;362766 Wrote:
I spent a large chunk of time listening yesterday while working on some
computer issues, with both my iPhone and Controller next to me. Every
time, it was more convenient to pick up the Controller to make
a quick change to what was playing - fast forward, check the song
AndrewFG;362755 Wrote:
How does Settings | Advanced | File Types work?
And does Settings | Player | Audio have any impact on it?
They're related. First comes the File Types settings, which is
universal and mostly tells SqueezeCenter what it is permitted to do as
far as streaming and
odd. i've installed my broken plugins - Alien BBC and MusicInfo.scr
(why is this not yet part of the standard install? It's even used on
the Boom publicity shots) - restarted and it's all back to normal.
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Honva;362658 Wrote:
For those with powerline adapter, I have a question.
Does the adapter work if plugged in a UPS(uninterrupted power supply)?
My area has short power outage every few days.
Thanks.
That should not work on a good UPS (which would be the on-line type).
Even with a
Phil Leigh;362768 Wrote:
6) LAME quality level is about degree of compression vs. CPU load not
sound quality - leave it set on 9
That's incorrect. It isn't a compression level, but a separate quality
level. This is a LAME setting, so it's only used when bitrate limiting
is set. It would be
Goodsounds;362553 Wrote:
If you're in the US, I have one suggestion before you toss the powerline
stuff. US houses are frequently wired with two phases (two different 110
supplies, to keep it simple). Outlets throughout the house (and often in
each room) are mixed between the two to spread
JJZolx;362778 Wrote:
The other reason is debatable, but I'll mention it, and hope the thread
doesn't go off on a tangent. Some audiophiles claim that WAV sounds
better than Flac (and some claim Flac sounds better than WAV, so it
goes both ways). This shouldn't be the case, as Flac is
Phil,
good job! putting pieces from my post together :-)
you're welcome,
Markus
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AndrewFG;362795 Wrote:
I notice that on Settings | Advanced | File Types | Apple Lossless, the
dropdown selection box for FLAC offers alac/flac whereas the dropdown
for WAV offers alac.
Does this mean that when Apple Lossless is transcoded to FLAC it goes
through first an ALAC processor
JJZolx;362783 Wrote:
That's incorrect. It isn't a compression level, but a separate quality
level. This is a LAME setting, so it's only used when bitrate limiting
is set. It would be nice if related options like this in the SC server
settings could be grayed out or hidden when another
You are right, it depends on what you want to do.
The controller is better for quickly making simple changes (pause,
skip) while the iPhone apps are better for browsing and selecting
content and managing your playlist.
At least iPeng is much, much better as soon as you need to control more
than
AndrewFG;362795 Wrote:
I notice that on Settings | Advanced | File Types | Apple Lossless, the
dropdown selection box for FLAC offers alac/flac whereas the dropdown
for WAV offers alac.
Does this mean that when Apple Lossless is transcoded to FLAC it goes
through first an ALAC processor
MillmoorRon;362770 Wrote:
Browsing in 1.1, my three most populated genres (most of my stuff) will
not display.
It does the the 'contacting server' bit but I just get a blank list.
Does it get ANY list? Because for me it doesn't
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Phil Leigh;362798 Wrote:
From a sound quality point of view, lossless is lossless and it doesn't
matter how long the code path length is, the sound remains the same...
Indeed lossless is lossless. No dispute on this truism.
But on the other hand if you ask the sound processing to jump
Thank you for your response Erland. Todays result in my debugging:
1. I removed the TrackStats plugin in the SS plug-in setup and the
problem did disappear after SS restart! So TrackStats definitley
involved in my problems.
2. I am about to try your recipe, but can you tell me where I find the
AndrewFG;362812 Wrote:
Indeed lossless is lossless. No dispute on this truism.
But on the other hand if you ask the sound processing to jump through
hoops on the journey from A to B then the more hoops you add, the
higher the chances that something WILL get lost.
{ I hope you guys are
pippin;362803 Wrote:
The controller is better for quickly making simple changes (pause, skip)
Why is that? Because of the dedicated buttons? Couldn't this be
addressed in the iApplication by having a quickly accessible screen
with a similar set of control buttons? And maybe an option to use
Hi,
I purchased this app and I like it. It seems to work pretty well. I've
got a large library (3200 albums).
Everytime I select Favorites the app crashes and returns to the ipod
touch home screen. Restart app and try again and same result?
Hope you can keep the fixes and improvements coming
bpa;362673 Wrote:
network Searver Health monitoring can help identify which component
within SC is causing/incurring delays.
I have re-installed SC 7.2 from scratch and things seem to be working
now as expected (knock on wood). One weird aspect is that SC reports
the following in the log
Random Lurker,
I sent you a private message. Click on the User CP in the menu bar.
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If I enter multiple artists in the Artist field in the song tag, the
Transporter's Extended Text Display seems to ignore the separators or
to rearrange the order of the artists. I.e. Van Cliburn; Fritz Reiner;
CSO in the Artist field are displayed in the Extended Text Display
with ampersands
JJZolx;362818 Wrote:
Why is that? Because of the dedicated buttons? Couldn't this be
addressed in the iApplication by having a quickly accessible screen
with a similar set of control buttons? And maybe an option to use this
screen as a screensaver, so that when the iPhone/Touch is sitting
Phil Leigh;362817 Wrote:
I am a designer of VERY large scale computer systems, and I'm more than
happy to state that lossless audio computer software doesn't behave
like analogue electronics! :o). There is no direct equivalent of
transfer loss or generation loss.
There is no sound
I sometimes listen to my transporter while drifting to sleep. While
doing so, I set the screen brightness to minimum or off, but often it
will jump to full brightness a minute or two later.
Today, while working away, I've noticed that it is turning its display
off - I can't win! Has anyone else
I had been observing issues with erratic SC performance, and no issues
where apparent whatsoever. One weird thing is the following, persistent
entry in the logfile, which happens every 20-something minutes...
.. [08-11-23 09:20:28.9819]
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 11:21 PM, pablolie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No other programm does that, this computer has 8GB of memory and a very
fast processor. Resources are not an issue. I have no doubt it is SC
related. Something hangs for some reason on some occasions. I open the
SC window,
I think this was discussed in another thread where it was determined
that the SB Classic stuff was already covered well enough in the
General Discussion forum. Of course it has also been suggested that the
current SB Classic sale and rumours of a surprise feature in 7.3 portend
the pending
Ben Sandee;362846 Wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 11:21 PM, pablolie
pablolie.3jbc3n1227417901 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com
wrote:[color=blue]
I realize that you have no doubt and it's clear that you've made up
your mind. This is a very helpful attitude when someone is trying
pablolie;362821 Wrote:
I have re-installed SC 7.2 from scratch and things seem to be working
now as expected (knock on wood). One weird aspect is that SC reports
the following in the log every 20 mins or so
Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::PrefSync::_syncDown_error (359) Sync
Down
Ben Sandee;362846 Wrote:
... This is a very helpful attitude when someone is trying to
help you. It's good that you've closed off all possible paths except
the one that you know is true.
I would also like to make one thing clear: my request was not for help
in solving the issue. It was a
I'm finding the iPod Touchscreen perfect for browsing through albums
artists.
If you had a small music library then the scroll wheel on the SBC would
be OK but it is unusable with a large collection - we went back to the
standard remote with it's number/alpha keys just because of this.
Having
DeVerm;362784 Wrote:
The multiple phase thing is for most homes in the developed countries
and for sure in western Europe (up to 3 phases in most houses). I still
don't understand why they don't market a device that'll bridge across
them all but I think it's because of safety and regulations
pippin;362805 Wrote:
Does it get ANY list? Because for me it doesn't
No, just lots of grey lines!
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I took my iPod controller on holiday, watched a couple of films on the
plane, listened to my song collection on the rented house's music
centre, hooked onto a free WiFi connection at a local coffee bar and
then listened to some more songs on the flight back. Got home and sat
down, selected one of
Squeemote has now been submitted to the app store. I'm away from Monday
to Thursday but I don't expect it to be available until the end of the
week at least. Price is £4.99/$7.99.
If it does get released before Thursday, obviously I wont be around to
start a thread on here but feel free to email
Lesu;362876 Wrote:
I took my iPod controller on holiday, watched a couple of films on the
plane, listened to my song collection on the rented house's music
centre, hooked onto a free WiFi connection at a local coffee bar and
then listened to some more songs on the flight back. Got home and
.:.impossible;361619 Wrote:
Of course, I've bought a few apps here and there, but I rarely use them.
I actually like the ShoppingList app. People look a bit confused when
they see me using it in the supermarket though... but they looked
confused when they saw me without it too so it's no
Some more information,
- Restarting SqueezeCenter also seems to bring all devices back into
sync again (in addition to cycling the units). When I previously said
that this didn't help, I wasn't shutting down SqueezeCenter properly.
- I am running SqueezeCenter inside of a virtual machine. So, I
Lesu;362873 Wrote:
Well, the last time I looked, the UK was in western Europe and I think
we qualify as developed, but I don't know of a normal household with 3
phase supply. 3 phase is normally restricted to factories and
workshops.
Well... I am confident you have it but it's invisible,
The Rig:
All of my music is ripped to a 3x250GB/1x300GBSATA RAID-5 (ubuntu mdadm)
array in a box with an amd64 3800 and 1G of RAM. The box was running along
just fine until (I think this is what happened) the water pump on the water
cooler died. The machine heated-up and shut down to avoid
Hi all,
before entering an enhancement request on the bugtracker, I would like
to hear your thoughts on this;
I hear many complaints about the rotary dial when your library is
really big. If have trouble too, not getting to the right letter (it
takes some time but less than selecting first
hi
my main problem to scroll through long lists with
the SBC scroll-wheel is the acceleration which
kicks in like hell all of a sudden, e.g. I overshoot
my target (stopping at S when aiming at P)
I think some settings to control the acceleration
function could work wonders.
Just my 5c worth
I think this thread about says it all:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54974highlight=sb4
Can we at least give it a few more months before we go over it all
again? :)
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finnbrodersen;362901 Wrote:
hi
my main problem to scroll through long lists with
the SBC scroll-wheel is the acceleration which
kicks in like hell all of a sudden, e.g. I overshoot
my target (stopping at S when aiming at P)
I think some settings to control the acceleration
function
I've been setting up my learning remote for various things, and I got
around to the task of having a marco automatically start up my SB3 and
other stereo equipment each morning to my desired 'net station. I've
already had the SB3 remote learned into mine for quite some time, so
that's no problem.
DrNic;362614 Wrote:
PS: Not too serious now, please :)
Maybe I should have put this bit in capital letters ;)
Though I am looking forward to the microphone input.
Nic
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MySQL
Why not hit one of the dedicated buttons like Browse so you're at a
known location?
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DeVerm wrote:
Hi all,
before entering an enhancement request on the bugtracker, I would like
to hear your thoughts on this;
I hear many complaints about the rotary dial when your library is
really big. If have trouble too, not getting to the right letter (it
takes some time but less than
DHCP can be flaky with bridging, and it's usually the fault of the DHCP
server - I've had all sorts of trouble with it in the past. Basically
the server is getting confused as to why there are two devices asking
for IPs from what looks to it like the same place. If the server was
implemented
akushnir;362381 Wrote:
Could this attempt at connecting another device through the SB bridge
function have crashed my router?
Maybe, but it really shouldn't cause any problems. Give it another go
and see what happens. You may have DHCP problems when using bridging,
in which case use a
Hmm, I hadn't tried Browse yet. I did try adding my desired station to
Favorites, but that didn't work. It seems the URL that is generated
when the station is selected and played doesn't stay the same when the
station is left but then selected again at another time, so when I
picked it off the
pippin;362608 Wrote:
With 1.1 I cannot sync the database anymore against my Mac.
SC 7.3.
If I click the button it immediately skips Albums and then doesn't show
my database anymore.
It did work on 1.0
Any ideas?
Is it just your mac you have the problem with or can you not connect it
to
OK thanks - I'll give that a try... though I would have thought that the
bridging doesn't reuse the MAC address (that's why it's a bridge), so it
doesn't look like the same place ...
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DrNic;362911 Wrote:
Maybe I should have put this bit in capital letters ;)
Though I am looking forward to the microphone input.
Nic
Hey, I did smile at the end of my reply! sheesh, a bit touchy aren't
you? :D
(note the BIG SMILE!) :P
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DeVerm;362891 Wrote:
Well... I am confident you have it but it's invisible...
I see, maybe only you can see it?
Comments on this topic within the last few months suggested that one
phase residential supply was the norm in the UK. If so, then powerline
connections there would less frequently
idowantapickle;362926 Wrote:
Is it just your mac you have the problem with or can you not connect it
to your other servers?
Also, did you do an upgrade or a fresh install?
Upgrade
And just the mac, the ubuntu servers seem to work (with authentication)
although syncing is extremely slow
Try a factory reset? All my SB2/SB3 use DHCP, and I've often used them
as bridges for other devices. Neither the Squeezeboxes nor the bridged
devices have had any trouble getting DHCP leases or using the network.
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Hi and thx for the howto.
The stream works very nice with my Nokia E51 and I use Opera Mini for
managing the SqueezeCenter.
Can I set a fixed IP for my mobile so that I dont have to change the
playlist every time I move from one location to another?
dsjovik
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toby10;362474 Wrote:
http://radio.internode.on.net:8100/
Sorry, my mistake. That :8100 station is public, non-restricted.
*Any other station doesn't work* with noscan or not.
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I just set up my Squeezebox and the first thing I wanted to be able to
do is listen to the same music on my computer as what was being played
in the other room. I have installed squeezeslave and am probably
missing something rather obvious.
I did not fully understand this instruction:
5a)
toddrc;362965 Wrote:
I just set up my Squeezebox and the first thing I wanted to be able to
do is listen to the same music on my computer as what was being played
in the other room. I have installed squeezeslave and am probably
missing something rather obvious.
I did not fully understand
JJZolx;362970 Wrote:
I assume that's the target of a shortcut?
You have to tell Squeezeslave where the SqueezeCenter server is, unless
both are running on the same computer. Something like:
C:\Program Files\squeezeslave-0.8-12-win32\squeezeslave.exe
192.168.1.2
That was the target to
When you run squeezeslave, it appears as another player in the web
interface and on the controller (if you have one of those).
To listen to the same music on you PC as on your other player, you need
to synchronize them. This can be done either through the web interface
or via the menus on the
C:\Program Files\squeezeslave-0.8-12-win32\squeezeslave.exe 127.0.0.1
space between the .exe and the 127.
-Chris
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:27 PM, maggior
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you run squeezeslave, it appears as another player in the web
interface and on the controller (if you have
By default, it listens to the local loopback adress (127.0.0.1). On my
server where I use squeezeslave, I use the command line squeezeslave -s
-r3. This means run in background mode and retry every 3 seconds if
squeezecenter is not running.
It doesn't hurt to be explicit about the IP address,
cak;362928 Wrote:
OK thanks - I'll give that a try... though I would have thought that the
bridging doesn't reuse the MAC address (that's why it's a bridge), so it
doesn't look like the same place ...
The frame comes from the bridge, because that's the device which is
actually connected to
I have 1 SB3, 3 Booms and 2 Duets. One of my Duets is paired with a
T-Amp and drives some speakers on my patio.
I tried to play some music this afternoon, and I could select from my
local library or Rhapsody just fine, but when it played, it would play
1-2 seconds of the music, then make a
We just moved to a new house, and new wireless routers have been
installed. The SB2 finds the new router fine, but when it comes to
entering the password key with the remote, I'm stumped. Pressing the
0-9 keys doesn't result in any response on the SB's display, and even
if they did, how can I
New routers? As in, more than one router?
Is your new house in Frostbite Falls, by any chance?
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AndrewFG;362840 Wrote:
Don't get me wrong. I don't dispute that lossless is lossless. The word
lossless is a definition of meaning and it simply CANNOT be
disputed...
I am not talking about theory, I am talking about practice. I am simply
stating that, in real world systems, as you insert
Phil Leigh wrote:
Yes, the software stack might be so deep that the CPU struggles and the
systems slows to an unusable crawl. I say that's not lossy - it's
broken. The music will eventually stutter and stop.
Flac was designed to be asymmetric on the processing load for
compression and
I have a similar problem. my music files are stored on an Airlink NAS
(a saamba server) with UTF8 support. I could see chinese and japanese
characters correctly from windows, but these are not displayed
correctly in SC7,2,1.
would like to find out how to fix.
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I've been setting up my learning remote for various things, and I got
around to the task of having a marco automatically start up my SB3 and
other stereo equipment each morning to my desired 'net station. I've
You should teach it the press-and-hold-number action. Then assign your station
to
I have a similar problem. my music files are stored on an Airlink NAS
(a saamba server) with UTF8 support. I could see chinese and japanese
characters correctly from windows, but these are not displayed
correctly in SC7,2,1.
Where are you running your SC?
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lanierb;362380 Wrote:
For the SB3 in my bedroom I just have the display turn off when it's not
playing music. That will solve your problem.
Thanks for the hint, I already did this. The problem is that when the
display is turned off... I can't read the time on the SB3
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