Varying with many other posters, I have some sympathy with the OP in
that I want to be able to control volume exclusively on my amp and get
a (fixed) best possible output from the connected Squeezebox (Duet).
I am awaiting the day when the volume buttons on the controller can IR
control my amp!
I admit that I actually like the volume control and use it, even though
I have a high-end system where I can hear the difference. Since I have
a purist preamp with no remote, I use the volume control on the SB3 all
the time, especially when I'm too lazy to get out of my chair or have
had one (or
smc2911 wrote:
I would conclude from the discussion here that I'm not really
suffering in any way by doing this (other than missing out on a bit
of volume of course :))
Can you hear any deficiency? If not, you're not missing out on anything.
Actually, you're not anyway but, even if you were,
I could never hear any deficiency and now I know why.
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It's an important point. I have mentioned it lots of times but Logitech
have still not got the point. The Yamaha CDRH1500 does not have it,
apple tv does not have it, and it makes absolutely no sense at all
anyway. I know Logitech love covering their keyboards with buttons no
one ever uses but
willyhoops;278214 Wrote:
What we really want on this tread is 50 people saying yes logitech
please remove the stupid volume control from the analogue out on
squeezebox. I won't be one of the 50. Prior to getting a SBC I used a
Harmony remote
to control my SB3, amp, TV, etc and had the
why kill it? it is useful for some people. if u don't like it, set
your prefs to fixed output. whats the big deal?
i wouldn't call u a troll however. just misguided.
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Why kill it? Yes you can find a thread on here where you can hack a file
and disable the volume control for good. But 99% of the users are not
going to do that and are going to find they have to play with the
volume on thier amp and on thier squeezebox to try and get the level
they want. and then
why does your cd player not have a volume control?
Mine does, but only for the analog out.
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On 11-Mar-08, at 1:05 AM, willyhoops wrote:
Why kill it? Yes you can find a thread on here where you can hack a
file
and disable the volume control for good. But 99% of the user
:ove to see that stat backed up with data :)
Sorry, but I use it all the time. I guess that means you now need
willyhoops;278238 Wrote:
logitech you got to stop listening to the nutters on this forum who all
want xyz. think about the average user and make his life simple. do you
you really think that Grandma is going to telnet into her dodgy qnap and
edit various text files in vi (notepad can't see
MrSinatra;278224 Wrote:
why kill it? it is useful for some people. if u don't like it, set
your prefs to fixed output. whats the big deal?
i wouldn't call u a troll however. just misguided.
I personally do not mind the volume controls on the box, but I do not
use them. I set the
willyhoops wrote:
LOGITECH ASK YOURSELF: why do apple not have a volume on the apple tv?
do you think you are as smart as steve jobbs? i don't think so why
does the denon ipod dock disable the ipod volume control and fix the
level correctly? (what do most people buy instead of a squeezebox
It's a lonely world
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willyhoops;278251 Wrote:
Powered speakers... the downmarket things you plug into your computer
which don't have a remote volume becuase you adjust it on the
computer.ROFLMAO...do you have any idea what you're ranting about?
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All music also sounded completly different , and extremly
willyhoops;278238 Wrote:
But 99% of the users are not going to do that and are going to find they
have to play with the volume on thier amp and on thier squeezebox to try
and get the level they want. and then they are going to switch the
channel to the radio and blow their speakers etc. and
egd wrote:
willyhoops;278251 Wrote:
Powered speakers... the downmarket things you plug into your computer
which don't have a remote volume becuase you adjust it on the computer.
ROFLMAO...do you have any idea what you're ranting about?
Heh, that is quite clearly a rhetorical question,
willyhoops;278251 Wrote:
Powered speakers... the downmarket things you plug into your computer
which don't have a remote volume becuase you adjust it on the computer.
i agree in this case the volume control is a very nice feature.
on the other hand the many more people (?) who have a hifi
amazon.co.uk
squeezebox duet product description:
Product Description
Listen to the music you love in any room in your home Music
everywhere Connect the Squeezebox Receiver to your stereo or powered
speakers and create a musical oasis
OK I am really wrong. Maybe this is the way most
willyhoops: can you explain what the fundamental problem with volume
control is, other than that it is not cool anymore? I have read
elsewhere that it is advisable to have full volume on the digital out,
but what's the problem for the analog out?
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But the Squeezebox does not bother, has only variable volume, and
You can fix the digital out's volume.
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willyhoops;278293 Wrote:
OK I am really wrong. Maybe this is the way most people use it- I didn't
know that. So the stereo market is not so important.Now you're swinging too
far the other way: I certainly think that the
stereo market is important. Personally I use my SB3 via the stereo
yes if you use a stero and the volume control you are making a big
mistake. in your case (maybe you are only a small part of the logitech
market however) you have significantly reduced sound quality becuase
logitech gave you a stupid setup and or did not explain it properly. do
you understand it
ok maybe i am wrong on the exact details but smc2911 i will try and
calculate just how bad the quality of your squeezebox playback has been
the last few years.
using:
http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/voltageloudness.html
To get a doubling of loudness, it is important to note that an
willyhoops;278303 Wrote:
LOGITECH PLEASE GET RID OF THE VOLUME BUTTON - YOU MESSED ME UP FOR
YEARS AND I DIDN'T EVENT KNOW IT UNTIL NOWclearly in your case ignorance is
bliss and it seems you'd prefer it
remains this way. we cannot help you if you don't want to be helped.
your misconceptions
willyhoops wrote:
ok maybe i am wrong on the exact details
Heh, you can say that again, without the maybe, and perhaps adding a
completely.
but smc2911 i will try and calculate just how bad the quality of your
squeezebox playback has been the last few years.
using:
I don;t think you work for Logitech... manger of a mac donalds?
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gee you are not reading it... not me they messed up.
are you understanding what i am saying... if 6v is the max level that
when it comes out of his hifi makes a party kick...
then one third of that will be the level for normal listening...
imagine the line in had an analogue to digital
Posted before I saw Robin's reply: sounds like I was wrong about bits if
the volume adjustment is done in the digital domain, but I still
struggle to see the problem here.
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willyhoops;278309 Wrote:
egd, I don't think you work for Logitech do you? you also don't get it.
so please leave the thread aloneheh, you're right, I use active speakers so
clearly I have no idea what
you or I are on about. :P
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willyhoops wrote:
gee you are not reading it... not me they messed up.
Er, I am reading it. I'm obviously not understanding you very well.
are you understanding what i am saying... if 6v is the max level that
when it comes out of his hifi makes a party kick...
then one third of that will
smc2911 i guess the 16 bit signal gets the volume level applied to it
and then it get output directy in one place, and then upscaled and
output as analogue in the other place.
but it would be possible to build a computer soundcard that applied the
final volume adjustmet in the analogue domain
I followed the link, but I don't see how it applies to the SB volume
control. If I use analog out and use the squeezebox remote to turn the
volume down, how is that different to using the volume on the amp?
Since it's in the analog stage, talking about bits being lost wouldn't
seem to apply.
willyhoops;277907 Wrote:
Anyone noticed the Apple TV has no volume control?
Yes, and it annoys my wife and I that we have to juggle two remotes
with our AppleTV. We have chosen to use a Harmony remote from a
company that understands how consumers use their streaming products.
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if you are worried that you blow your speakers when changing from SB to
another source.
http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html
It's easily found in the PlugIn page also.
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?PluginsAudio
I use the analog output and set the volume to 100% and lock it
thanks for that - i did not know about the plugin- that's very good
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willyhoops;278323 Wrote:
i am sorry i made a meal of this tread... we need an expert...Point your
browser to
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?ConnectToPowerAmp and if you
still have questions afterward, feel free to ask, without shouting your
mouth off.
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This is an odd thread. How would I adjust the volume of my hifis if the
Transporter/SB3 did not have a volume control?
Transporter Bryston S4 PMC OB1s
Controlled by controller
SB3 AudioEngine 2s
Controlled by backlit remote and controller
I, and I imagine a lot of other people, would be
To get a doubling of loudness, it is important to note that an increase
of 10dB is necessary. And to reproduce that volume through our
loudspeakers, note that we require ten times more power from the
amplifier, which is voltage increase of 3.16 times.
If your stereo volume is set to a point
MrSinatra;278224 Wrote:
i wouldn't call u a troll however.
The issue wasn't with the message (I'm happy for people to have issues
with how things are done) - it was with the way it was presented. A
simple Can anyone explain why the SB has a volume control? or I
believe the volume control
st2lemans,
Ah that's interesting and makes sense. So reducing the loudness by half
cuts 1.66 bits off the resolution. I knew there might be a problem with
my calcualation- didn't know it's as big as that!
I see that now at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth
It looks like you
can u explain why you don't just use fixed outputs? u have that option
to set. just set it, forget it, and be done with it.
better yet, why not just max the volume and never touch it again?
and if ur so concerned, why not use the digital output as well?
if someone has different sources going
MrSinatra;278465 Wrote:
can u explain why you don't just use fixed outputs? u have that option
to set. just set it, forget it, and be done with it.
Exactly, the OP does know there is a very easy to set setting under
player config (no hacking required) to have the volume fixed and no
willyhoops;278386 Wrote:
Wadia claims it has mitigated the disadvantages of digital domain volume
control by starting out with a 21-bit signal [upscaled from the CD's 16
bits in the digital filter before the DAC]. Losing a little resolution
from 21 bits is an acceptable situation, Wadia
This thread has exceeded its signal to noise ratio.
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Phil Leigh;278476 Wrote:
This thread has exceeded its signal to noise ratio.Consider it an
inefficient means of dispelling myths and (hopefully?)
educating someone in dire need thereof.
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monkeys can be taught
egd;278502 Wrote:
Consider it an inefficient means of dispelling myths and (hopefully?)
educating someone in dire need thereof.
OK. Maybe there should be a sticky explaining for those who are hard
of understanding about 24-bit digital level control... so we don't
have go through this again
Phil Leigh;278505 Wrote:
OK. Maybe there should be a sticky explaining for those who are hard of
understanding about 24-bit digital level control... so we don't have go
through this again and again and again
I agree. There are a few threads and wiki entries that everyone should
read after
Yes - it would be a rather monumental task...just thinking about the
Things you MUST do before posting about your problem on this board
makes my head hurt!
1) Install latest version of server AND firmware for your OS
2) Factory reset your SB
3) Clear library and rescan
4) TRY IT WIRED!
5) disable
Despite a certain amount of heat and light in this thread, I've actually
learnt something here. Thanks for the pointer to the wiki article (I use
the wiki a fair bit, but hadn't come across that page), and thanks to
Robin for the 24 bit upscaling explanation. The way I tend to use the
SBC volume
Thank god for common sense :-)
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anyone.
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