Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-28 Thread oktup
It would be really interesting to start an open source player hardware project, if anyone had the necessary skills etc. Must be possible given the success of Raspberry Pi, Arduino, Kickstarter, 'maker' culture etc - 'print' your own Squeezebox at home even? ;) It would also bring it full circle,

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-28 Thread esharpmajor
I just wanted to weigh in with my two cents here. I'm new to the SqueezeBox platform (and to this forum), having got a SB Duet after Logitech discontinued the whole SB line. However, I had been experimenting with the server and software client for a while after embarking on a project to rip all

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-27 Thread erland
dasmueller wrote: My concern w the whole Squeezebox system going forward is that by attempting to appeal to more of a mass market that Logitech is shooting itself in the foot. Logitech needs to do mass market, that's their strength, as a company they don't have the experience and

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-27 Thread guidof
agillis wrote: We already have a fork that we are running as part of the VortexBox distro and we already have a player that can replace Logitech hardware. Now that all the logitech code is on Git Hub it should be really easy to do a proper fork if we want. I'm a satisfied but naively ungeek

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-27 Thread garym
guidof wrote: I'm a satisfied but naively ungeek user of the VortexBox Appliance. I appreciate your statement (and Andrew's on the VB Forum) and I hope that you will continue to support those of us who use both SBs and VB. However I am perplexed by your assertion that you already have a

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-27 Thread guidof
garym wrote: I'm 99% sure he means the VB Player. And you are correct, although a very nice software player, it does not take the place of a TOUCH (that can sit in a different room from the VB server/computer and be connected via WIFI or ethernet back to the server). I was sort of hoping

[slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread tigersim
Just read The News... very sad, but not surprising :( Well there's not much I can add to the 47 page thread I've just read. Instead, I would like to think about constructive ways forward. A few observations: 1) The Squeezebox ecosystem and community is strong, active, knowledgeable and

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread castalla
An excellent post. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96572 ___ discuss

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread pallfreeman
tigersim wrote: start considering contingencies before we wake up one day and find the lights have gone out. Thoughts? I'm already awake, but it's pretty dark in here. So let's take a stab in this 'ere dark: I think the fact that the devs are putting LMS into git speaks volumes.

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread tigersim
Just to add... I would fully accept that such a move would be aimed at satisfying the geekier/hobbyist end of the spectrum. In a way that seems to me to have always been the Squeezebox's true calling, and maybe that's why Logitech struggled to take it to the masses. There's nothing wrong with

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread tigersim
pallfreeman wrote: I'm already awake, but it's pretty dark in here. So let's take a stab in this 'ere dark: I think the fact that the devs are putting LMS into git speaks volumes. Perhaps we should move this to the developers forum. Into git? Interesting! Maybe you're right, the

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread bluegaspode
tigersim wrote: So I suppose my question is, what are the legal and technical barriers, if any, of forking the LMS development and moving away from reliance on Logitech? Without written permission by Logitech I suppose that: - all images contained in the repository are under copyright

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread tigersim
bluegaspode wrote: Without written permission by Logitech I suppose that: - all images contained in the repository are under copyright - binary firmware is not allowed to be redistributed - the name Squeezebox is trademarked and should be removed Not that I would expect Logitech to

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread erland
tigersim wrote: This to me suggests there is a good possibility to sustain this ecosystem just in the same way that other open source projects live on. Maybe in time there's even a possibility to come up with basic 'thin' players (think SB Receiver) based on a Raspberry Pi or whatever.

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread erland
tigersim wrote: Images and name can be re-imagined... :) If someone with the necessary drawing skills is interested to spend some time drawing completely new icons/logos for whole LMS and Touch/Radio firmware, that would be a great start if some developer wants to make what you suggested

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread tigersim
erland wrote: Those of us that can do it has already thought about doing it several times during the last years with decreased Logitech development resources, but we have all realized that even if Logitech only puts one or two full time developers into maintaining it, that's still better

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread tigersim
erland wrote: If someone with the necessary drawing skills is interested to spend some time drawing completely new icons/logos for whole LMS and Touch/Radio firmware, that would be a great start if some developer wants to make what you suggested happen, most developers I know (including

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread erland
tigersim wrote: As for a new business entity taking it on, well I'm sure most people here would wish any such venture the very best, but with my objective hat on I'm not sure I can yet see a strong enough commercial case - one that would stand on pure business merits, independent of

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread agillis
We already have a fork that we are running as part of the VortexBox distro and we already have a player that can replace Logitech hardware. Now that all the logitech code is on Git Hub it should be really easy to do a proper fork if we want.

Re: [slim] Fork it!

2012-09-26 Thread dasmueller
Erland while I do not use your plugins I have great respect for the efforts you have put in to accomodate peoples wishes on how the SBS/LMS system could be improved to fit needs they have expressed. Your posts in this thread I believe show a level of perspective that is not often seen these days