Gandhi wrote:
> If you've been away a long time, perhaps you have yet to discover
> Archimago's enlightening measurements of many different audio devices?
>
> http://archimago.blogspot.ca
Interesting... thanks. The jist seems to be, for 16-bit streams all DACs
are much of a muchness, but for 24
simbo wrote:
> I've been away from the SB scene for a while (except for using them to,
> well, listening to music) but my wife bought me a Little Dot I+
> headphone amp for Christmas and I think I'm getting the bug again.
>
> So my question is, after all these years, how good are the SB DACs
> c
Gazjam wrote:
> Shame the OP isnt getting the kind of discussion and help he was looking
> for.
> Ive gave my experience, maybe others might pitch in too.
Sorry guys, I've been away (bad timing for posting something so
contentious by the looks of things!). Perhaps this was better suited to
the Au
Gazjam wrote:
> Why do I have to put forth an argument or challenge anyone's point?
>
I didn't state you have to.
>
> I've related my own personal experience for the benefit of the OP, and
> that's enough.
>
Yeah, and it has been implied that the OP might want to discount your
experiences con
poing wrote:
> You've acknowledged what Clive wrote, yes. But I don't think you've put
> forth any kind of argument that challenges Clive's point. (His point
> essentially being that, in addition to the physics/technology of your
> player, other factors affect what sounds your brain perceives. If
Gazjam wrote:
>
> I'm not ignoring anything Clive, whilst disagreeing with it in my case,
> I've acknowledged your point twice now.
>
You've acknowledged what Clive wrote, yes. But I don't think you've put
forth any kind of argument that challenges Clive's point. (His point
essentially being t
cliveb wrote:
> Of course sometimes differences are so clear cut that they are obvious.
>
> But modern DACs are sufficiently similar that you really can't ignore
> the likelihood that non-auditory cues will be the dominant factor in a
> sighted test.
>
> You really, REALLY cannot ignore the fac
Gazjam wrote:
> I would posit that sometimes the difference between kit can be obvious
> enough to over-ride the psychological factors which you mention whilst i
> absolutely agree they can be a factor.
> Particularly so if your talking subtle differences.
Of course sometimes differences are so c
cliveb wrote:
> I would not presume to question what you heard. You heard a difference
> and that is not in dispute.
>
> All I am saying is that if you did your comparison sighted, then you
> cannot conclude that the difference you heard was necessarily due to any
> difference in the soundfields
Gazjam wrote:
> Sorry you disagree with my findings Clive, but if your saying that I
> cant be sure of what I heard...
> how can you possibly be?
I would not presume to question what you heard. You heard a difference
and that is not in dispute.
All I am saying is that if you did your comparison
Hooked up my Transporter to my external Dac for the first time last
night.
Had a hifi buddy over to have a listen, an interesting night.
Short version,
The Transporter was improved by hooking it up to my M2Tech Young
Dac...substantially improved.
We listen to the TP over its analogue outs using
I was using my SB Touch with a Schiit Über Bifrost. I added a Sys
passive pre-amp and was able to a/b the Touch analog to the Bifrost.
I've since sold the Bifrost.
Given that I'm 69 and my hearing rolls off @ 13.5 kHz more sensitive
ears may be able to discern subtle differences at higher frequen
Gazjam wrote:
> Shame the OP isnt getting the kind of discussion and help he was looking
> for.
> Ive gave my experience, maybe others might pitch in too.
Given the direction this thread has turned to, the OP may get more
responses in the Audiophile section.
Regards,
Bob
FLAC->SB Touch (wire
don't suppose you have a Beresford DAC to compare it to do you? be
intrigued to see what you think
Transporter (Lounge)
Touch (Office)
Touch (Kitchen)
Radio (Bedroom)
Radio (Garage)
SqueezePlay 7.8 on 2 x Windows 7 PCs
LMS 7.7.3 on DIY UnRaid NAS now upgraded to 7.8 (06/01/2015)
Squeeze user
markiii wrote:
> don't suppose you have a Beresford DAC to compare it to do you? be
> intrigued to see what you think
Had a few Beresford Dacs in my time, various versions of Stans 6 series,
a 7520 and a couple of Caimans.
modded one of them using better cspacaitors, op amps etc.
the Bushmaster
Shame the OP isnt getting the kind of discussion and help he was looking
for.
Ive gave my experience, maybe others might pitch in too.
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Gazjam wrote:
> Know what your saying Clive, but been in the game long enough to know
> about abx testing, level matching, expectation bias all that good stuff.
> Its valid enough, and it was level matched, .but I know my ears and it
> wasn't a lab experiment ;)
>
> I trust my first impressions,
Sorry you disagree with my findings Clive, but if your saying that I
cant be sure of what I heard...
how can you possibly be?
I said previously I know where you were coming from...you may have
missed that.
With respect, I've heard all the circular arguments from both sides over
the years and if
Gazjam wrote:
> ...
> Its valid enough, and it was level matched, .but I know my ears and it
> wasn't a lab experiment ;)
Pleased to hear it was level-matched.
But nobody "knows their ears". It has been demonstrated time and time
again that what you hear is influenced by *all* stimuli, so a sigh
you misunderstand me, meant that if I had any expectations it would have
leant towards the more modern Oppo, :D
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Gazjam wrote:
>
> If anything the Transporter being older might have thought the Oppo
> would have been better.
There's no better than transparent.
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cliveb wrote:
> Was the comparison level-matched? If not, then whichever DAC happens to
> output a slightly louder signal is likely to sound better (even if the
> difference in level is small enough that you don't consciously notice a
> difference in loudness).
>
> Was the comparison sighted? If
Gazjam wrote:
> Did a comparison between the Dac in my TP and my Oppo 103d disc player
> last night.
> Playing same CD from analogue outs of Oppo (using its internal Dac) and
> comparing with Oppo as transport into Dac of Transporter.
>
> Cd sounded better playing through TP's Dac, conclusion Tr
Fair question though?
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I think given the fact that a 'modern' external DAC can be plugged into
the SB's, it's kind of a moot point whether the internal DAC's have held
up.
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I've been away from the SB scene for a while (except for using them to,
well, listening to music) but my wife bought me a Little Dot I+
headphone amp for Christmas and I think I'm getting the bug again.
So my question is, after all these years, how good are the SB DACs
compared to what is on the
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