Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-06 Thread Wirrunna
slartibartfast wrote: > I am still considering doing this. Did you choose -18 as the target > level for EBU R128? Yes, default setting in dbPoweramp. DrMatt, I have my "master" music library on a windows box where I rip, tag etc, and use Vortexboxes as servers for pCp payers. (I have 2 SB3 and

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-06 Thread slartibartfast
Stratmangler wrote: > At least you can set things going, turn around, and walk away from it > while the process runs. > Can you imagine how stressful things would be if you had to supervise > things every step of the way? :eek:True but it doesn't help when someone > unplugs the laptop instead of

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-06 Thread Stratmangler
slartibartfast wrote: > Finally decided to convert all my replaygain tags to EBU R128. It would > take around 18 hours of continuous processing for 46000 tracks. Twice > that including the backup drive but probably still quicker than > resynchronizing the files. Sometimes you start something and

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-06 Thread slartibartfast
Finally decided to convert all my replaygain tags to EBU R128. It would take around 18 hours of continuous processing for 46000 tracks. Twice that including the backup drive but probably still quicker than resynchronizing the files. Sometimes you start something and wish you hadn't bothered. Sent

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-05 Thread slartibartfast
Wirrunna wrote: > Interesting thread. First I have heard of EBU R128. A quick google > brings up the details, so I thought I would compare calculated Replay > Gain (RPG) from some music ripped in 2009 with dbPoweramp 13.2 > (presumably using Peak algorithm) and RPG re calculated using dbPoweramp

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-04 Thread drmatt
Wirrunna wrote: > re-calculate RPG for my whole library, and for DrMatt I use > BulkFileChanger to manipulate the file Modified Time to preserve the New > Music order. I'm on Linux, I'd script it myself. But then, I'm not going to be using dbpoweramp either! -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Ta

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-04 Thread slartibartfast
Wirrunna wrote: > Interesting thread. First I have heard of EBU R128. A quick google > brings up the details, so I thought I would compare calculated Replay > Gain (RPG) from some music ripped in 2009 with dbPoweramp 13.2 > (presumably using Peak algorithm) and RPG re calculated using dbPoweramp

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-04 Thread Wirrunna
Interesting thread. First I have heard of EBU R128. A quick google brings up the details, so I thought I would compare calculated Replay Gain (RPG) from some music ripped in 2009 with dbPoweramp 13.2 (presumably using Peak algorithm) and RPG re calculated using dbPoweramp 15.3 which uses the new E

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread Wombat
bakker_be wrote: > As far as I can see, metaflac is still using standard replaygain. Yes, the code calculates levels still the same. The only thing changed a while back was the support for higher samplerates. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread bakker_be
drmatt wrote: > I've always used metaflac but never investigated the algorithm in > detail. I took the view as long as it was consistent I didn't care > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- As far as I can see, metaflac is still using standard replaygain. Main System: Touch; M

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread drmatt
I've always used metaflac but never investigated the algorithm in detail. I took the view as long as it was consistent I didn't care -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 45

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread bakker_be
If you use foobar to calculate replaygain, you've been using R128 since v1.1.6 (http://www.foobar2000.org/changelog#section41), which to the best of my knowledge is ±7 years old. Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA Premium 901 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 + BK Monolith+ FF +

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread drmatt
Well, off topic, but, dither is the reason. Applied correctly or not. Argue at length.. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albu

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread Apesbrain
slartibartfast wrote: > I've never noticed any deterioration of sound quality with it on. Why would there be? It's a simple amplification factor applied uniformly to every audio sample. The only issue is when a RG tag drives a sample into clipping, but LMS is designed to avoid that. -

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread slartibartfast
drmatt wrote: > I've not noticed any either tbh, but I leave it off because then I have > to blame the mastering engineers not replaygain for the sound being not > to my satisfaction, and like the OP, I'm ok with operating my volume > control about once every 45 minutes... :) > > > -Transcoded

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread drmatt
I've not noticed any either tbh, but I leave it off because then I have to blame the mastering engineers not replaygain for the sound being not to my satisfaction, and like the OP, I'm ok with operating my volume control about once every 45 minutes... :) -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread slartibartfast
drmatt wrote: > True, but personally I have more than one player and tend to leave it > off on the players I care about and on everywhere else. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-I've never noticed any > deterioration of sound quality with it on. Maybe I'm not listening carefully

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread drmatt
Mnyb wrote: > Some tagging software has options to not touch the timestamps .Yeah and you > can record mtime and set it back manually after the retagging via a script or a short program but you can't fix the ctime, which some programs use instead of mtime to determine what's new and what's not (

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread drmatt
slartibartfast wrote: > It would be nice if an on/off switch for replaygain was available on > players and control apps and not just hidden away in player settings of > the web GUI. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using TapatalkTrue, but personally I have more than one > player and tend to leave it o

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread Mnyb
drmatt wrote: > I don't see the downside.. for non critical listening replaygain in > album mode is perfectly good, and when you feel like properly listening > to something, turn replaygain off. Bingo the music data is the same and > sounds the same as it did before the file was tagged. > > The

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread slartibartfast
drmatt wrote: > I don't see the downside.. for non critical listening replaygain in > album mode is perfectly good, and when you feel like properly listening > to something, turn replaygain off. Bingo the music data is the same and > sounds the same as it did before the file was tagged. > > The

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-03 Thread drmatt
I don't see the downside.. for non critical listening replaygain in album mode is perfectly good, and when you feel like properly listening to something, turn replaygain off. Bingo the music data is the same and sounds the same as it did before the file was tagged. The one and only pain in the as

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-02 Thread Stratmangler
slartibartfast wrote: > It is only a tag and EBU R128 tags are the same as Replaygain tags, just > calculated differently. By apply I meant the tag. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk I was just seeking clarification regarding the tags. My experience with Replaygain tags, and LMS using t

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-02 Thread slartibartfast
Stratmangler wrote: > I wouldn't be applying anything that irrevocably changes anything with > the music files in my library. > All of the files in my library have Replaygain *tags*, but there's been > nothing applied to the files. > > Why the question about EBU R128 - does LMS handle the EBU R1

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-02 Thread Stratmangler
I wouldn't be applying anything that irrevocably changes anything with the music files in my library. All of the files have Replaygain *tags*, but there's been nothing applied to the files. Why the question about EBU R128 - does LMS handle the EBU R128 tags now? Chris :) --

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-02 Thread drmatt
cd /music find . -type f -exec applygain {} \; .. wait .. It's just tagging, tags can be removed just as easily. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs.

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-02 Thread slartibartfast
pinkdot wrote: > Why would you not apply this to all your files. Consistency is key here > imo.Purely because of the hassle of actually doing it. I know I could set up a batch convert but it would still take a long time. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk --

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-02 Thread slartibartfast
Stratmangler wrote: > I find use of the term "apply it to all of their files" alarming.Why? Only > audio files obviously. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/mem

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-02 Thread pinkdot
Why would you not apply this to all your files. Consistently is key here imo. -LMS on Raspian Stretch -> 2x Radio -RPI 3 ('Mopidy' (https://www.mopidy.com/)), Aune S6 - Exposure 3010S2 - PMC FB1i pinkdot's Profile: http:/

Re: [slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-02 Thread Stratmangler
I find use of the term "apply it to all of their files" alarming. Chris :) Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=1089

[slim] Replaygain vs EBU R128

2018-04-02 Thread slartibartfast
Does anyone have any preference for Replaygain or EBU R128? If anyone is using EBU R128 did they bother to apply it to all of their files or just change over to it from a point in time? I am considering the changeover but not entirely sure it is worth doing. -