mherger;673108 Wrote:
I checked the code again: the time should be adjusted when prefs are
synced between Touch and mysb.com.
Where within Touch (TinySC) menu's would one find this setting?
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I checked the code again: the time should be adjusted when prefs are
synced between Touch and mysb.com.
Where within Touch (TinySC) menu's would one find this setting?
There's no such setting in the GUI. It's enabled by default. You'd have to
edit a prefs file, or use the CLI to modify
mherger;673145 Wrote:
I checked the code again: the time should be adjusted when prefs are
synced between Touch and mysb.com.
Where within Touch (TinySC) menu's would one find this setting?
There's no such setting in the GUI. It's enabled by default. You'd have
to
edit a prefs
i.e. I don't want playing settings Sync'd between TinySC and MySB but
I do want an accurate clock
There's a 60mins timer too, running a time check every hour.
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i.e. I don't want playing settings Sync'd between TinySC and MySB but
I do want an accurate clock
There's a 60mins timer too, running a time check every hour.
Oh, I was actually wrong: the prefs sync has nothing to do with this...
only this timer is used to keep the clocks in sync.
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mherger;673106 Wrote:
Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work
with
TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected
to
LMS
Why not? TinySBS is LMS less the web server. But it provides the
same
JSON/RPC interface as LMS.
That is exactly
TinySC and accurate time follow up:
Touch's own clock is already 1 minute behind after three days.
Streaming services via Apps using MySB in the background did not help
with the clock.
Obviously this means Erlands Daylight Clock Applet on Touch while
running TinySC is indeed doing ckeck-ins to
toby10;672956 Wrote:
TinySC and accurate time follow up:
Touch's own clock is already 1 minute behind after three days.
Streaming services via Apps using MySB in the background did not help
with the clock.
Obviously this means Erlands Daylight Clock Applet on Touch while
running TinySC
Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work with
TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected to
LMS
Why not? TinySBS is LMS less the web server. But it provides the same
JSON/RPC interface as LMS.
That is exactly the question asked by those who
Feels strange that Daylight Clock should have anything to do with it
but maybe the fact that I'm using mysqueezebox.com image proxy to
retrieve rescaled daylight images makes it sync the time also.
There's no relation there :-).
I checked the code again: the time should be adjusted when prefs
toby10;672346 Wrote:
You peaked my interest on this subject so I've tried it myself. I left
my Touch connected only to it's own TinySC server for one week, never
connecting it to LMS or MySB. It has maintained the correct time so
far (7 days).
Now there are two aspects of my usage
What about trying Erlands Applet Daylight Clock on your Touch? TinySC
and that Applet is all you need (no MySB or LMS).
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toby10;672551 Wrote:
What about trying Erlands Applet Daylight Clock on your Touch? TinySC
and that Applet is all you need (no MySB or LMS).
I just have to connect to MySB or to LMS to fix the clock.
I know Touch clock is not reliable, so I have no real problem, I have
others clocks besides.
Just need the Daylight Clock Applet, nothing more.
Yes, I understand fixing the actual issue. I'm suggesting the Daylight
Clock Applet for two simple reasons:
1. comparison/data point on YOUR setup for diagnosis
2. possibly gets you a reliable time/clock until the actual fix
happens (if ever)
I just have to connect to MySB or to LMS to fix the clock.
I know Touch clock is not reliable, so I have no real problem, I have
others clocks besides.
Did anyone seeing this problem ever check the device's log file
(/var/log/messages)? If it fails to update the clock, then it should leave
ooops I thought I mentioned this in my post from yesterday, but I
did not include it (turkey distractions)
I've now uninstalled Daylight Clock Applet, now running the stock Touch
clock on TinySC.
I'm suggesting you do the opposite, you install run the Daylight
Clock.
We'll check back
toby10;672566 Wrote:
ooops I thought I mentioned this in my post from yesterday, but I
did not include it (turkey distractions)
I've now uninstalled Daylight Clock Applet, now running the stock Touch
clock on TinySC.
I'm suggesting you do the opposite, you install run the
Why would you need to stop MediaMonkey to install an Applet or see the
clock displayed?
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mherger;672568 Wrote:
I just have to connect to MySB or to LMS to fix the clock.
I know Touch clock is not reliable, so I have no real problem, I
have
others clocks besides.
Did anyone seeing this problem ever check the device's log file
(/var/log/messages)? If it fails to update
toby10;672576 Wrote:
Why would you need to stop MediaMonkey to install an Applet or see the
clock displayed?
Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work with
TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected to LMS
...
And I don't want any plugin or applet.
Ah, ok, I gotcha. :)
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People having commented the bug probably still have it, and could check
their logs.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17164
As far as I am concerned, I'll have to be gone for several days before
I can.
When I am at home, I normally use the Touch several times per day.
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Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work with
TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected to LMS
Why not? TinySBS is LMS less the web server. But it provides the same
JSON/RPC interface as LMS.
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mherger;672587 Wrote:
Because MonkeySqueeze requires LMS connection (it doesn't work with
TinySBS for now), and there is no clock drift if I am connected to
LMS
Why not? TinySBS is LMS less the web server. But it provides the same
JSON/RPC interface as LMS.
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That is
nicolas75;670906 Wrote:
.
I know those things are not atomic clocks, but 5 minutes within a week
is a lot.
I have a netbook I didn't connected to any network for two weeks, clock
was fine.
I also have the most cheapest toy watch you can imagine, it doesn't
loose a few seconds within a
I speculate that problem is for tiny lms users only and that it fails
to check the clock with mysb.com during these circumstances .
And there are users who don't network thier network music player :)
(Intended use is networked with internet conection)
Most computers and computer like things
sebp;671521 Wrote:
My only point is that you're calling now, and already have been before,
Logitech to stop developing SBS/LMS as we know it today, to move to a
Windows centric product. And that would really suck for all of us using
non Windows-based systems if they hear you. Dot.
I won't
erland;671265 Wrote:
...
Well, as usual, I agree with everything you wrote above.
I wasn't probably clear enough that I also think it is too late for
LMS.
Contributors on this forum should have push in the right direction
several years ago, when Logitech took control of slimdevices, and
nicolas75;671328 Wrote:
I really thing there is a real hope with MediaMonkey as software, and
LMS as a kind of driver for squeezebox behaving as network sound
cards
I also usually agree to most of erlands pow's .
But something better has to come for us not using the system as a
network
I think the squeeze box machines are for the most part very self
explanatory. They are great for Pandora etc. It also works well if
you want to store music in the server and simply retrieve it. I owned
a Duet and the remote was easy to use and self explanatory. I also
find the same with the
Mnyb;671332 Wrote:
But something better has to come for us not using the system as a
network sound card .
Why not ?
I can't see what MediaMonkey lacks compared to LMS (except native
control of Squeezeboxes).
May be some sync feature not fully working.
But it evolves quickly, in the right
Mnyb;671332 Wrote:
I also usually agree to most of erlands pow's .
But something better has to come for us not using the system as a
network sound card .
Erland and friends are pursuing such a project they lack developers, I
can't code myself out of a paperbag, So I volunteered to test
artintampa;671331 Wrote:
Those area are designed for the geeks for sure. I saw my son work on it
and reaized that it will require time and motivation that I do not have.
In that case, there's nobody to blame but myself.I am sure creating
playlists and basic stuff could be mastered with
nicolas75;671337 Wrote:
Why ?
I can't see what MediaMonkey lacks compared to LMS (except native
control of Squeezeboxes).
1. It's a Windows application and due to this it doesn't work reliably
on any of my computers
2. I don't want a desktop or laptop computer to be turned on to play
nicolas75;671337 Wrote:
I can't see what MediaMonkey lacks compared to LMS (except native
control of Squeezeboxes).
Will MediaMonkey run on my Mac, my Linux laptop and my QNAP NAS?
If there's a single no in the answer, then it lacks *essential*
features to me.
The more I read your posts, the
nicolas75;671336 Wrote:
Phone apps is the plus thing when everything else is fine.
It cannot bring you real file selection and library management, or help
you getting rid of scans.
Seriously, if you haven't yet, give a try to MonkeySqueeze.
I am happy with it, but it doesn't mean everybody
erland;671343 Wrote:
1. It's a Windows application and due to this it doesn't work reliably
on any of my computers
2. I don't want a desktop or laptop computer to be turned on to play
music, having the server in another room turned on is fine but that's
never going to be running Windows.
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sebp;671344 Wrote:
Will MediaMonkey run on my Mac, my Linux laptop and my QNAP NAS?
If there's a single no in the answer, then it lacks *essential*
features to me.
The more I read your posts, the more I wonder why you haven't gone the
Apple AE + Airfoil way, since it would have let you
sebp;671344 Wrote:
If there's a single no in the answer, then it lacks *essential*
features to me.
You illustrate what Erland said, and I agree with him.
One of the biggest problem which led LMS where it is, is people only
paying attention to their own needs, not asking themselves if it
nicolas75;671361 Wrote:
Mac and Linux yes.
If you can mess with Linux, you have no problem which such basic stuff
as virtual machines.
Okay, so it clearly doesn't work on any of these platforms natively.
LMS does at the moment, and doesn't require running funky
virtualization software,
In an expended user base if squeezeboxes get real mainstream win would
be dominant but not in the current user-base .
Some old tread presented stats from mysqueezebox.com
30%-40% win the rest linux(includes wierd NAS distros)+mac .
I certainly don't use a nas (I'm not into pain).
But my
nicolas75;671354 Wrote:
You don't have to.
As far as I am concerned, messing with weird platforms means looking
for problems.
That's why I usually stick with standard computers with Windows or
Linux, never weird NAS.
I'm not talking about NAS boxes, I completely agree with you that one
sebp;671364 Wrote:
Faites ce que je dis, pas ce que je fais.
You're exactly telling us that LMS should suit YOUR NEEDS (edit: and
don't give a damn what other people's are, just to be clear).
Absolutely not.
I am telling that LMS should suit the needs of NON-GEEK people.
Obviously those
erland;671371 Wrote:
I'm not talking about NAS boxes, I completely agree with you that one
shouldn't try to run LMS on a NAS, it just causes too much issues and
bad performance. I'm talking about Linux and OSX servers which is all I
have.
I already use Windows in VirtualBox from time to
Mnyb;671367 Wrote:
But my server has no gui So no x system nowhere to have a virtual
windows desktop it's command line only and has no monitor or keyboard.
Virtual machines can easily be installed and accessed from remote
computers.
It is even the most common way to control them.
There is
nicolas75;671439 Wrote:
What is the problem with people like you ?
People like you, I guess.
You don't seem to understand that many other people have been perfectly
happy with the server software for years, even if there were some
glitches now and then, and it misses some features (often found
nicolas75;671449 Wrote:
Virtual machines can easily be installed and accessed from remote
computers.
It is even the most common way to control them.
There is absolutely no problem there.
[Edit] why don't you install X11 and desktop so you can have easy
graphical remote access and
sebp;671471 Wrote:
People like you, I guess.
You don't seem to understand that many other people have been perfectly
happy with the server software for years, even if there were some
glitches now and then, and it misses some features (often found in
plugins).
Who are you to tell me
Mnyb;671479 Wrote:
...
I don't want a GUI overhead virtuals on that 1,2ghZ single core via cpu
is a no go .
...
Your sugestion is extremely messy for my needs consider that some user
actually wants a distributed solution .
I abonded the pc centric way of playing music because i don't
nicolas75;671491 Wrote:
But please, do not prevent people who do not share your views to try the
excellent work of MonkeySqueeze developers.
Because all in all, sorry if I am a bit harsh, you simply imply that
MonkeySqueeze excellent work is useless crap, just because you don't
like
sebp;671521 Wrote:
If you want Logitech to sell more Squeezebox, rather ask them to make
mysqueezebox.com more reliable and add more and more online services.
Because that's what normal people expect from such a device today.
yes having local files in the first place is for the really
nicolas75;670946 Wrote:
Sorry not for me ...
The clock was wrong, not the same time than the computer.
And since I was playing flac files from the USB stick, there is no
doubt I was running TinySC, not MySB.
May be just starting LMS, without connecting to it, is enough to make
the option
toby10;671061 Wrote:
Unless Touch is actually connected to LMS then LMS cannot communicate
anything to the Touch, certainly not give Touch an added menu item
Touch by itself is lacking.
Plugins are not usable on TinySC, so again unrelated.
I am talking about a plugin developed by Erland
nicolas75;671068 Wrote:
LMS necesseraly communicate with TinySC in some basic way, because when
both are available, you have the option to switch from TinySC to LMS, so
TinySC knows LMS is available
No magic there, it is simple TCP/IP discovery, both Touch and LMS (ie
your computer)
toby10;671071 Wrote:
No magic there, it is simple TCP/IP discovery, both Touch and LMS (ie
your computer) are simply broadcasting there presence, nothing more.
Same as your WiFi being seen by your device (SB player, computer,
whatever), just because they see each other does not mean they are
nicolas75;671068 Wrote:
I am talking about a plugin developed by Erland to suppress any kind of
automatic scan.
It was especially useful for TinySC and Erland developed it after I
asked him for TinySC.
I actually used it with TinySC 7.6.1, so guess this plugin is usable on
TinySC :)
nicolas75;671072 Wrote:
I have some network knowledge, and know how TCP/IP and Wifi works :)
Well call it whatever you want and explain it however you like.
(the word magically was ironic)
Well, if you know how it works then you would not be making the claims
you are making. ;)
Two
Sorry, what I called a plugin was a patch, and was installed through a
plugin.
You are right about that.
We could go on playing with words, but I don't think it is really funny
for anyone.
Unlike what you say, the option Swith to MySB was actually NOT
available on my Touch when connected to
nicolas75;671076 Wrote:
Sorry, what I called a plugin was a patch, and was installed through a
plugin.
You are right about that...
You know, the big problem with SBS/LMS on this forum is that it seems
you often have to dive into endless discussions with people DENYING
FACTS, or
toby10;671081 Wrote:
Then you misunderstand the forums. :)
People try to help others, part of that help is explaining the basic
architecture of the SB system (hardware software) and share
experiences.
About what is useful and really helps ...
nicolas75;671105 Wrote:
About what is useful and really helps ...
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=669304postcount=26
Well perhaps after you read Mnyb's other 7,600+ forum posts you will
come to a different conclusion. ;)
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toby10;671110 Wrote:
Well perhaps after you read Mnyb's other 7,600+ forum posts you will
come to a different conclusion. ;)
I read a lot of them as well as yours.
It confirms my conclusion about what's helpful or not, and not mistake
quantity vs quality.
To be honest, I knew that before,
nicolas75;671120 Wrote:
I read a lot of them as well as yours.
It confirms my conclusion about what's helpful or not, and not mistake
quantity vs quality.
To be honest, I knew that before, since I have been developing
softwares way more complicated than LMS for quite a lot of time
Everyone I have come across has been superb here. I walked in her
totally blind to the system and Garym has been patient and a wealth of
information. Now I just have a bad case of cataracts lol.
garym;671124 Wrote:
aha! Another data point for my anecdotal conjecture I've reported before
garym;671124 Wrote:
aha! Another data point for my anecdotal conjecture I've reported before
that posters that profess to have extensive networking or software
development expertise sometimes report struggling the most with SB
software and/or hardware. ;-)
p.s. In my opinion, mnyb and
I am not an expert on computers, LMS or anything. From what I gather,
it seems like a system that is semi-raw/rough on the edges. This has
some disadvantages in that it does require a learning curve which some
people are unwilling go through. I do wish the layout was more more
user-friendly. On
artintampa;671132 Wrote:
I am not an expert on computers, LMS or anything. From what I gather,
it seems like a system that is semi-raw/rough on the edges. This has
some disadvantages in that it does require a learning curve which some
people are unwilling go through. I do wish the layout
nicolas75;671129 Wrote:
You know I have no problem with Squeezeboxes and networking, but I have
problems to accept the poor user interface and behavior..
I'd add poor documentation to that as well. This is an area that has
always been lacking with these devices. :(
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toby10;671139 Wrote:
I'd add poor documentation to that as well. This is an area that has
always been lacking with these devices. :(
That's true, but I'd add another thing developers usually don't like.
The RTFM thing is stupid.
When a user interface is good and clear, you should almost
nicolas75;671129 Wrote:
.
Of course it is a lot more fun (and far easier) to spend time helping a
lot people and show how good and helpful you are.
But it is far more effective to point out what should be corrected
(instead of saying everything is great), so that people do not need you
nicolas75;671140 Wrote:
...
When I try a new software I always start to run it without reading the
doc.
.
We're guys! Who reads manuals! :)
But there are indeed glaring omissions in their minimal docs manuals.
A quick example: Right out of the box for initial setup on both the
SB3
toby10;671143 Wrote:
I think if you look at the top posters in here compared to the top
bug/enhancement contributors, they are likely the very same people.
;)
The bug/enhancement section gets real issues data directly to the
actual (sadly few) developers. Whereas in here it's almost
nicolas75;671129 Wrote:
You know I have no problem with Squeezeboxes and networking, but I have
problems to accept the poor user interface and behavior.
Funny that you and them seems to have very few problems with SBS/LMS,
and claim everywhere it is fantastic.
That's probably why you can
garym;671158 Wrote:
this forum IS FOR USERS HELPING OTHER USERS. It is NOT the forum for
asking logitech to fix or change anything.
That's the usual fanboy complaint when users are not happy and complain
on those forums.
I totally disagree.
In my opinion, on slimdevices forums, people are
My intitial reason for buying squeezbox products is that the 'duet' was
relatively inexpensive. I was always very disatisfied with the sound.
The duet started having issues (many issues) that simply became more
frustrating than it was worth. I started to do research on an
alternative. I
artintampa;671173 Wrote:
I hope I didnt derail the discussion too much.
Since you are the original poster, I guess we are (may be especially
me) the ones who derailed the discussion :)
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nicolas75;671129 Wrote:
It would be far more effective to push Logitech and developers to make
problems disappear.
(asking weird NAS platform, or funny plugins, instead of getting decent
library management push them the other way).
That's what I have always been doing for what I
The problem is resolved all the rest of the information from that point
on has been very informational which is something that in this topic I
could surely use! I find myself reading just to see if I catch
anything through osmosis lol
nicolas75;671175 Wrote:
Since you are the original poster,
nicolas75;671172 Wrote:
That's the usual fanboy complaint when users are not happy and complain
on those forums.
I totally disagree.
In my opinion, on slimdevices forums, people are talking about
slimdevices (now Logitech) products and softwares.
They can tell if they are happy, unhappy,
Mnyb;671180 Wrote:
So is there something wrong with helping each other and make good use
of what there is instead of just ranting.
There is nothing wrong in helping each other.
There is something wrong saying no other discussion should be allowed
(Garym words, not yours ...)
I experienced
garym;671182 Wrote:
You're wrong. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. I gave you
the links to the OFFICIAL logitech squeezebox forums. They are
different. The forums we are posting in now are the old slimdevices
forums that logitech was nice enough to leave open for users to talk
garym;671182 Wrote:
I gave you the links to the OFFICIAL logitech squeezebox forums.
Guess what ? I knew them and I have already posted there :)
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nicolas75;671183 Wrote:
There is nothing wrong in helping each other.
There is something wrong saying no other discussion should be allowed
(Garym words, not yours ...)
I've NEVER said that a person couldn't discuss anything they wanted on
these forums. You are the one that attack others for
garym;671186 Wrote:
I've NEVER said that a person couldn't discuss anything they wanted on
these forums. You are the one that attack others for helping solve
problems with the existing software rather than demanding that the
software be improved. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder
nicolas75;671191 Wrote:
Well I suggest you cool down and take it easy.
You replied to me
this forum IS FOR USERS HELPING OTHER USERS. It is NOT the forum for
asking logitech to fix or change anything.
The fact is I understood you consider I should not be allowed to rant
here.
I disagree,
nicolas75;671129 Wrote:
So you keep spending your time giving advices and tricks, for problems
which should simply not exist at all.
It would be far more effective to push Logitech and developers to make
problems disappear.
(asking weird NAS platform, or funny plugins, instead of getting
nicolas75;670658 Wrote:
Thanks, I found it after powering on the computer and starting LMS.
But I was running TinySBS (not connected to MySB, LMS not running,
computer switched off)
It's on TinySC as well, same instructions. ;)
Clock drift for network devices is common. Don't
When I got home, I set the server's time. The other squeezebox picked
up on it instantly. I had to unplug the Touch in order for it to reset
itself and find the correct time. I'll keep an eye on it to find out
how much drifting it will do if any. I use the server regularly so I
am assuming
toby10;670758 Wrote:
It's on TinySC as well, same instructions. ;)
Clock drift for network devices is common. Don't connect your laptop
to any network for a few weeks and that laptop's clock can also drift.
These are network appliances, not atomic clocks, so connection to a
network is
I think that i must have caused some confusion. The 5 minutes off is
not anything recent. The computer/server has been that way for a long
time. Up until now I used a duet (which after several years died),
then a transporter. My wife got me a Touch which when off will be
displaying the time.
artintampa;670911 Wrote:
I think that i must have caused some confusion. The 5 minutes off is
not anything recent. The computer/server has been that way for a long
time. Up until now I used a duet (which after several years died),
then a transporter. My wife got me a Touch which when off
ok good.. sorry to butt in. I honestly didnt know what that 'tiny'
thing is and not sure if I had a tiny one lol
nicolas75;670913 Wrote:
Don't worry for the confusion.
There is really a problem with TinySC clock.
But apparently you are not using it, so your problem was just to fix
your
Touch can run a dowscaled server version when faced with attached media
.
so theoretically it could be your only server.
but it does not have the cpu to do this is any good way if your already
content with running the full version of server , forget about it .
the server has it issues, but it's
nicolas75;670906 Wrote:
...
But it was really not available before (TinySC running, not connected
to MySB, I am sure because I was playing flac files from the USB stick
...)
...
I assure you, it was/is there in TinySC if the Touch is updated to the
firmware version that allows
toby10;670944 Wrote:
I assure you, it was/is there in TinySC if the Touch is updated to the
firmware version that allows for Home menu customization.
TinySC was the first place I added that item to my Home menu. ;)
Without any LMS running, using only TinySC, go to Settings Advanced
nicolas75;670946 Wrote:
Sorry not for me ...
The clock was wrong, not the same time than the computer.
And since I was playing flac files from the USB stick, there is no
doubt I was running TinySC, not MySB.
May be just starting LMS, without connecting to it, is enough to make
the option
It gets the time from your server. Is the computer time correct?
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artintampa;670543 Wrote:
Hi,
The time on the squeezebox's display is consistently 5 minutes fast. I
never payed much attention to it in the past. My wife got me the Touch
and when it's not in use i opted to have it display time and date. Is
there a fix for this?
Thanks Nicolas and Ghostrider. I will look into the fix when I get
home. I wasn't aware of the server being the source of time. I always
assumed it came from Logitech somehow. This forum/community has been
great with me getting my feet wet. Again thanks!!
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