date:20111119


erland;671265 Wrote: 
 ...

Well, as usual, I agree with everything you wrote above.
I wasn't probably clear enough that I also think it is too late for
LMS.
Contributors on this forum should have push in the right direction
several years ago, when Logitech took control of slimdevices, and
probably even sooner.
My criticism is that in a certain way, the LMS software is now what top
posters have been asking for, for several years.
After all a lot of them are very happy with it, and don't appreciate
when people point out LMS flaws.
So you cannot put all the blame on developpers, and even not on
Logitech ...

I know you really tried to push things in the right direction, and
developped useful plugins to correct the basic core flaws of SBS/LMS.
I agree with you there is probably no hope now.

I am really happy with MonkeySqueeze which keep the sound quality of
the Touch, without suffering OS audio settings problems.
The only minor problem I have is that transitions between tunes are
sometime a little abrupt (probably minor lag problems, disable any
feature like fading in MediaMonkey)

I don't know if you tried the MonkeySqueeze thing, but you should
really have a look.
The solution could be to keep LMS or TinySBS, only to communicate
between MediaMonkey and Squeezeboxes, using the MonkeySqueeze bridge.

Some could require only some minor adjustments in MonkeySqueeze and
LMS.
Once in MediaMonkey, you have a really good software, with server and
DLNA capabilities, a community, specifications to develop plugins (may
be better than LMS), and smartphone control.

I really thing there is a real hope with MediaMonkey as software, and
LMS as a kind of driver for squeezebox behaving as network sound
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nicolas75;671328 Wrote: 
 
 I really thing there is a real hope with MediaMonkey as software, and
 LMS as a kind of driver for squeezebox behaving as network sound
 cards

I also usually agree to most of erlands pow's .

But something better has to come for us not using the system as a
network sound card .

Erland and friends are pursuing such a project they lack developers, I
can't code myself out of a paperbag, So I volunteered to test if any
beta should emerge...

Speaking of phone and pad apps have you tried iPeng it greatly improves
on the stock UI or squeezepad who or any other third party app .

You should not even consider logitech's own app don't waste your time
with it, given your opinions you will have an episode of some kind if
you try...


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2011-11-19 Thread artintampa


I think the squeeze box machines are for the most part very self
explanatory.  They are great for Pandora etc.  It also works well if
you want to store music in the server and simply retrieve it.  I owned
a Duet and the remote was easy to use and self explanatory.  I also
find the same with the Transporter and Touch.

In contrast the server software does require a learning curve.  I am
certain that if I was able to dedicate some time I would understand it
much better.   There are areas that I do not fully understand and don't
have the energy and that's just fine.  Those area are designed for the
geeks for sure.  I saw my son work on it and reaized that it will
require time and motivation that I do not have. In that case, there's
nobody to blame but myself.I am sure creating playlists and basic
stuff could be mastered with little  time.  The fault that it does have
is that it isn't readily logical.  If one was to not use it for a year
they would stumble a few times at first.


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Mnyb;671332 Wrote: 
 
 But something better has to come for us not using the system as a
 network sound card .
 

Why not ?
I can't see what MediaMonkey lacks compared to LMS (except native
control of Squeezeboxes).
May be some sync feature not fully working.
But it evolves quickly, in the right direction, and nothing forbid to
keep LMS for specific tasks not yet covered by MediaMonkey.
Why not developping MediaMonkey plugins instead of LMS plugins when the
bridge is fine ?


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Mnyb;671332 Wrote: 
 I also usually agree to most of erlands pow's .
 
 But something better has to come for us not using the system as a
 network sound card .
 
 Erland and friends are pursuing such a project they lack developers, I
 can't code myself out of a paperbag, So I volunteered to test if any
 beta should emerge...
 
 Speaking of phone and pad apps have you tried iPeng it greatly improves
 on the stock UI or squeezepad who or any other third party app .
 
 You should not even consider logitech's own app don't waste your time
 with it, given your opinions you will have an episode of some kind if
 you try...

Phone apps is the plus thing when everything else is fine.
It cannot bring you real file selection and library management, or help
you getting rid of scans.
Seriously, if you haven't yet, give a try to MonkeySqueeze.
I am happy with it, but it doesn't mean everybody will.
The more people will try it, the more something could emerge.
Nothing prevent you to use LMS or MediaMonkey when you like, their are
not exclusive.


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vagskal;671320 Wrote: 
 I guess there is no way to change the volume on the SB players in MC.Of 
 course there is! JRMC has a volume slider and mute button under the
player controls.


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artintampa;671331 Wrote: 
 Those area are designed for the geeks for sure.  I saw my son work on it
 and reaized that it will require time and motivation that I do not have.
 In that case, there's nobody to blame but myself.I am sure creating
 playlists and basic stuff could be mastered with little  time.  The
 fault that it does have is that it isn't readily logical.  If one was
 to not use it for a year they would stumble a few times at first.

You are not to blame.
The software is to blame.
There is no excuse whatsoever to have poor user interface.
Poor user interface means loosing time for useless things.
Experts should not accept it, and others simply cannot use it at all.
Playlist is an area where LMS is especially bad, and even biggest LMS
fans hardly deny it.


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nicolas75;671337 Wrote: 
 Why  ?
 I can't see what MediaMonkey lacks compared to LMS (except native
 control of Squeezeboxes).
 
1. It's a Windows application and due to this it doesn't work reliably
on any of my computers
2. I don't want a desktop or laptop computer to be turned on to play
music, having the server in another room turned on is fine but that's
never going to be running Windows.
3. I don't want to control the music from a computer, I always have
access to a iPhone, iPad or IR remote in the listening room but I don't
always have direct access to a computer and if I had it would be a WiFi
conected laptop with limited harddisc space that can't contain all my
FLAC music files.

However, I do understand that MediaMonkey could be an excellent choice
for everyone that have a stationary computer in their listening room,
but these people should really also consider an Apple solution using
AppleTV or AirPort Express as these works a lot better when being
controlled from a computer than devices like Squeezebox/Sonos.


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nicolas75;671337 Wrote: 
 I can't see what MediaMonkey lacks compared to LMS (except native
 control of Squeezeboxes).
Will MediaMonkey run on my Mac, my Linux laptop and my QNAP NAS?
If there's a single no in the answer, then it lacks *essential*
features to me.

The more I read your posts, the more I wonder why you haven't gone the
Apple AE + Airfoil way, since it would have let you using any software
you want to manage your library...


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2011-11-19 Thread vagskal


AndrewFG;671339 Wrote: 
 Of course there is! JRMC has a volume slider and mute button under the
 player controls.

In that case I have to consider removing the 100% volume setting I have
for 2 of my 4 SB players (and use the SB DAC for all players) and switch
on sync player volume


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nicolas75;671336 Wrote: 
 Phone apps is the plus thing when everything else is fine.
 It cannot bring you real file selection and library management, or help
 you getting rid of scans.
 Seriously, if you haven't yet, give a try to MonkeySqueeze.
 I am happy with it, but it doesn't mean everybody will.
 The more people will try it, the more something could emerge.
 Nothing prevent you to use LMS or MediaMonkey when you like, their are
 not exclusive.

It just the multiroom and player syncing aspect .

Your probably aware of that there is a similar script for foobar2000
users and two add on UI's native to a windows desktop Moose and Muso .

Would not get rid of scanning thou . Some kind of scan is always
needed most desktop software performs similar actions how else to
present album covers and song details and make search work from a
player .

Most things i tried imports the music the first time I use them..
or it takes a while before list and artist appears when I choose a
folder (guess what they are doing).

So I'm on different page here , my grief with the dB aproch is that LMS
don't really use it to it's full power, you have a nice dB that is
treated as a disposable thing to throw away when the next scan fails ?
And don't leverage the obvius plus side of having the LMS app know
everything about your music it could bring great integration and music
exploring features .
It can't even create a smart playlist from this knowledge ? or play
similar artists or find similar things on spotify or what services you
have installed.

Some very basic thing they never managed to explain to anyone given
that you accept scanning (you don't so stop reading here ).

If the software stumble on corrupt files or files with conflicting tag
info et al why must the scanner crash ? .

Either just guess and present something wierd in the playlist if my
friends are representative they don't mind much if their pc software
present some tracks out 1000's weirdly, use the file name .
Some of my friends use winamp and a close look at their playslist you
see song names like track 1 etc this much better than a application
crash.

Even a comletely f**d up library will be played in some way all bets
are of regarding enhanced functions like search or genres or years but
it plays music in some way.

Skip files that don't work .

Put issue files in human readable list.

Another scanning thing LMS does not scale well it is much faster on a
powerfull pc than on my low power server, but it could be even faster
on powerfull machines much faster.

Then the scanning or importing or what you want to call it could be a
much more transparent thing.

Another thing they never managed automatic discovery of new music to
work ?
This was in the development for a while, that you just added files to
wherever you stored them and SBS/LMS would find them by itself without
user intervention .

They never managed to get thier dB consistent regarding how or when you
scanned or added files, hence why many users completly rescan their
library on a schedule ??


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erland;671343 Wrote: 
 1. It's a Windows application and due to this it doesn't work reliably
 on any of my computers
 2. I don't want a desktop or laptop computer to be turned on to play
 music, having the server in another room turned on is fine but that's
 never going to be running Windows.
 3. I don't want to control the music from a computer, I always have
 access to a iPhone, iPad or IR remote in the listening room but I don't
 always have direct access to a computer and if I had it would be a WiFi
 conected laptop with limited harddisc space that can't contain all my
 FLAC music files.
 
 However, I do understand that MediaMonkey could be an excellent choice
 for everyone that have a stationary computer in their listening room,
 but these people should really also consider an Apple solution using
 AppleTV or AirPort Express as these works a lot better when being
 controlled from a computer than devices like Squeezebox/Sonos.

You don't have to.
As far as I am concerned, messing with weird platforms means looking
for problems.
That's why I usually stick with standard computers with Windows or
Linux, never weird NAS.
As far as multimedia is concerned, I'd stick with Windows, and the vast
majority of users do so.

When I need a software which only runs on Windows and has server
capabilities, and if you really want Linux, just install something like
Virtualbox on your Linux server, so it runs Windows as a distinct
machine.

In the end, you don't need desktop computer.
Just the smartphone app to control your remote Monkey server.
You have Linux server and virtual Windows on your physical machine
located elsewhere.
(This is basic stuff for computer guys, I agree it is not for non-tech,
but if you are not tech-aware, itis wise to stick with Windows).

You will answer that there is nothing for OSX ...
Well, you can use virtualbox on OSX as well as with Linux, and frankly
speaking, when you are an Apple people, it is much better to stick with
Apple software an Apple devices.
Apple is very nice, but it is certainly not meant to work flawlessly
with non Apple stuff.
Squeezeboxes are not Apple stuff.


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sebp;671344 Wrote: 
 Will MediaMonkey run on my Mac, my Linux laptop and my QNAP NAS?
 If there's a single no in the answer, then it lacks *essential*
 features to me.
 
 The more I read your posts, the more I wonder why you haven't gone the
 Apple AE + Airfoil way, since it would have let you using any software
 you want to manage your library...
 
 -Edit: Erland shot faster than me. ;-)-

Mac and Linux yes.
If you can mess with Linux, you have no problem which such basic stuff
as virtual machines.
QNAP NAS ? well for multimedia server, I call it looking for problems
and I can do nothing for you.

The more I read your posts, the more I think you should stick with LMS
and should not pay attention to alternative solutions :)


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Re: [slim] Android Controller App

2011-11-19 Thread mkozlows


For some reason, it wasn't downloading in the browser, so I just emailed
it to myself, and that worked.

It fixes the rotation thing -- it orients itself depending on how I'm
holding it, like I'd expect -- so looks good that way.  One bug I did
notice, though, is that on the Now Playing screen, if you tap the
album/track/artist information up at the top, the resulting dialog box
is hidden behind other UI elements so can't be interacted with.  Not
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sebp;671344 Wrote: 
 
 If there's a single no in the answer, then it lacks *essential*
 features to me.

You illustrate what Erland said, and I agree with him.
One of the biggest problem which led LMS where it is, is people only
paying attention to their own needs, not asking themselves if it push
the software in the right direction.


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nicolas75;671361 Wrote: 
 Mac and Linux yes.
 If you can mess with Linux, you have no problem which such basic stuff
 as virtual machines.
Okay, so it clearly doesn't work on any of these platforms natively.

LMS does at the moment, and doesn't require running funky
virtualization software, paying expensive licences to Microsoft, or
upgrading hardware (RAM expansion at least) to get it running perfectly
well.

And you dare saying I'm the one looking for problems, here? :D

nicolas75;671361 Wrote: 
 One of the biggest problem which led LMS where it is, is people only
 paying attention to their own needs, not asking themselves if it push
 the software in the right direction. 
Faites ce que je dis, pas ce que je fais.
You're exactly telling us that LMS should suit YOUR NEEDS.


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In an expended user base if  squeezeboxes get real mainstream win would
be dominant but not in the current user-base .

Some old tread presented stats from mysqueezebox.com

30%-40% win the rest linux(includes wierd NAS distros)+mac .

I certainly don't use a nas (I'm not into pain).

But my server has no gui So no x system nowhere to have a virtual
windows desktop it's command line only and has no monitor or keyboard.

Hence the web-UI it's made to run on anything as a background service
and can be reached remotely. Having MM or foobar2000 to provide the
music would have my yet agin be using my destop for music playback it's
size noise and power consumption would make unattractive .

Having a better PC frontend to make playlist and manage stuff would be
an improvement thou.

For that I could run one more virtual ( I have one to cater for my iPad
ugh :-/ with urgh iTunes, but it has an excellent app that makes any
mutiremote including logitechs harmony etc completely obsolete + iPeng
of-course , otherwise I've would have gone android ).

To make every one happy their should simply be alternatives and it is
possible to make alternatives MonkeySqueeze is proof of that .

To use the Touch as a soundcard it would be possible to invent some
app that could be added on to it and a corresponding driver for a
virtual soundcard on the PC.
it is open source I quite surprised that it have not been hijacked for
this purpose yet.

But what makes the squeezebox  PC sound driver independent is the fact
that it is the player that plays the file not the server it only
serves it .

This is what making the effort to integrate it as a plugin to MM or
foobar2000 or winamp or whatever a bit tricky .

Normally a PC software plays the file and it goes via the OS
soundsystem and drivers to a soundcard .

But not in LMS the actual playback is done on the squeezebox player
itself the file/stream is sent there and buffered and decoded and
played .

That you can see track progress on the web-UI is because the player
reports that back to the server (such info is also used for syncing,
server must know where everyone is to sync and keep the players
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nicolas75;671354 Wrote: 
 You don't have to.
 As far as I am concerned, messing with weird platforms means looking
 for problems.
 That's why I usually stick with standard computers with Windows or
 Linux, never weird NAS.
 
I'm not talking about NAS boxes, I completely agree with you that one
shouldn't try to run LMS on a NAS, it just causes too much issues and
bad performance. I'm talking about Linux and OSX servers which is all I
have.

I already use Windows in VirtualBox from time to time, but it isn't
stable enough to use as music server. Let's just face it, Windows is a
desktop operating system and not a server operating system, they have
tried to make it work as a server but there are a lot of issues with
using it that way, at least as long as you aren't a Windows geek and
know how to configure it to run smoothly as a server.

MediaMonkey on a Windows desktop computer is probably working great and
might be a good solution for people with a stationary Windows computer,
but it's important to remember that most non geeks are getting a laptop
or tablet these days when their current computer is getting old, and a
Wifi connected Windows laptop or tablet is not the best server device
for a trouble free Squeezebox setup. It's also not the best way to
store a large music library as laptop drives tends to be limited in
size.

What we need to reach the non geeks is a player which can take music
from a Windows shared drive or a USB drive, pretty much what Sonos
already provide today. If the Squeezebox Touch hardware was faster and
had more memory it would be able to do this but it doesn't work with
its current very limited hardware. But it's pretty pointless to discuss
it here because most people on these forums are geeks in one way or
another and want to run a separate server and doesn't want the
Squeezebox to be simplified to fit the masses as it means we will also
loose flexibility and advanced features.


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'


Here's (my rough and probably inaccurate translation for) an excerpt
from 'an interview'
(http://www.clubic.com/internet/google/google-tv/actualite-458400-logitech-interview-junien-labrousse.html)
by Junien Labrousse (Executive Vice President, Products and President,
Logitech Europe):
 NOW THAT AIRPLAY TECHNOLOGY BECOMES THE GENERAL RULE, WHAT'S THE FUTURE
 OF THE SQUEEZEBOX DIGITAL MUSIC STREAMING RANGE OF PRODUCTS?
 The Squeezebox range of products fills a very specific need. Listening
 to Internet radios, accessing online music services (Deezer and
 Spotify, for example). There are several things to improve: we have to
 simplify the product's positioning because it's hard to sell, but we
 also have to work on the user interface. The first Squeezebox was used
 to stream music anywhere in one's house. Internet radios came later. In
 fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the
 Internet radio capability. Many of our developments aren't absolutely
 necessary any more, and we need to rework the product from start for a
 positioning change. Naturally, we'll keep the features our users have
 liked so far.
Doesn't smell very good, if you ask me...


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sebp;671384 Wrote: 
 Here's (my rough and probably inaccurate translation for) an excerpt
 from 'an interview'
 (http://www.clubic.com/internet/google/google-tv/actualite-458400-logitech-interview-junien-labrousse.html)
 by Junien Labrousse (Executive Vice President, Products and President,
 Logitech Europe):
 
 Doesn't smell very good, if you ask me...

Blast :-/ wonder if we be able to access local files at all and with
what sound quality.

With our usual luck dumbing down the product will not make it easier to
use or make it more attractive for new customers it will just get dumber
.

Most of the complications is still outside logitechs controll (wifi +
computer firewalls and antivirus and network setup ) If the install
process where simply to throw it trough the front door the masses would
still think it's geeky and to hard to use and return to their iPod docks
.
And squeezeboxes will be useless.

If by a slim chance they suceed they will immediately be outcompeted by
all other cheap internetradios out there .
It will just be another cheap internet radio, no special sauce here ?

Next thing to sacrifice is sound quality and build quality to get to
the 99$ mark


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On the other hand fixing all the bugs could get us along way without
sacrificing anything


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'

2011-11-19 Thread toby10


 In fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the
Internet radio capability. 

Like it or not (I do) this is the future of the entire product line and
I'd bet it's the key reason Logitech was really interested in SB in the
first place.


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Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released

2011-11-19 Thread Wigster


Hi AndrewFG,

So I have finally had a bit of time to investigate my problems further

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90842page=2

Just to remind you:

SBS 7.6.2 r33593 on WHS. I'm accessing it from WMP-12 on Win7 x64.
Whitebear is version 2.2.1.2161

AndrewFG;669890 Wrote: 
 Hi Wigster,
 
 Yes indeed that does look very odd; basically Whitebear just acts as an
 intermediary between the client (in your case WMP) and Squeezebox
 Server. So I think the first thing you should check is whether the same
 track also appears in the Squeezebox web UI. This might give some hint
 about whate the track is, and why it appears in the library.

I have looked more closely. In addition to all the strange files with
Unknown artists whose titles are various elements of HTML mark-up
span, quant.js',true) , p etc, I also have a lot of doubled
files. My SBS reports 15 299 files in its library, whereas WMP (after
resetting and redownloading the Whitebear-served library) reports 23
163 files (so about every other file appears twice, and about 300 are
these weird unknown files). 

Taking one of those duplicated files, the path is WMP appears as 

Code:


  
http://192.168.1.2:31416/tid_157953/src_mp3/tgt_mp3/pid_1/music.mp3?WMContentFeatures=DLNA.ORG_PN=MP3;DLNA.ORG_OP=01;DLNA.ORG_CI=0;DLNA.ORG_FLAGS=0100WMHME=1WMHMETitle=UABpAG8AbgBlAGUAcgAgAHQAbwAgAHQAaABlACAARgBhAGwAbABzAA==


whereas for the other

Code:


  
http://192.168.1.2:31416/tid_157953/src_mp3/tgt_mp3/pid_1/music.mp3?WMContentFeatures=DLNA.ORG_PN=MP3;DLNA.ORG_OP=01;DLNA.ORG_CI=0;DLNA.ORG_FLAGS=0100WMHME=1WMHMETitle=UABpAG8AbgBlAGUAcgAgAHQAbwAgAHQAaABlACAARgBhAGwAbABzAA==
  



So they both appear the same.

A couple of screenshots can be found here:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15242944/WB.PNG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15242944/WB_2.PNG

The SBS library does not have these problems. Here is the output of
searching for one of the albums in the WMP screenshot:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15242944/WB_3.PNG

Any ideas?


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'


toby10;671395 Wrote: 
  In fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the
 Internet radio capability. 
 
 Like it or not (I do) this is the future of the entire product line and
 I'd bet it's the key reason Logitech was really interested in SB in the
 first place.

that is not the part I'm troubled by :) it's the rest, using internet
radio with a squeezebox is already quite simple, improvements here
could probably gain more varied and better content.
And some bug s ironed out with mysb.com it's noted unreliability for
many users defunct alarms etc.
better and easier apps and search mechanism .
the streaming market is somewhat neglected by logitech all kinds of
services popping up all around the world. We are often the  last to
enjouy a new service rarely the first.


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Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

2011-11-19 Thread forestcaver


Quick question - if my squeeze server is setup to set its ip address
with DHCP, how do I use Net::UDAP to configure the receiver to find the
server with a movable ip address ? (Can you ?)

(Couldnt find an answer here)

Cheers,
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Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released


Wigster;671396 Wrote: 
 So they both appear the same.I am guessing that the duplication is due to WMP 
 12 cache being in a
mess.

You can clear the WMP 12 cache as follows:

1) In Windows Services select Windows Media Streaming and Stop the
service (if it is running)
2) In Windows Explorer browse to
C:\Users\[YourName]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Media Player and delete all
the files in that (cache) folder.
3) Restart the Windows Media Streaming service

I don't know why WMP 12 is showing HTML tags in your tracks. Certainly
Whitebear is not capable of making up such tags. My assumption is still
that the tags are being delivered by SBS or one of its plug ins. We
could verify that if you can turn on logging on the Http Server in
Whitebear and send me (part of) the results (search the log file an if
you see something like this embedded HTML send me that bit).


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Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

2011-11-19 Thread garym


or even if laptop that you don't want fixed ip, at least reserve the
IP in your home network. That way the laptop will always get the same
IP address from DHCP server.


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Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool


forestcaver;671404 Wrote: 
 Quick question - if my squeeze server is setup to set its ip address
 with DHCP, how do I use Net::UDAP to configure the receiver to find the
 server with a movable ip address ? (Can you ?)
 
 (Couldnt find an answer here)
 
 Cheers,
 Andy

I'm not sure you realy need to ? the server broadcast it's presence on
the local network if port 3483 is open in the firewall , so when you
have it firmly connected to the network check the web-UI .

If it needs a nudge maybe squeecomander could help if your are using
that instead of the controller.

Or set the servers current adress with net::udap , i wonder if that's
not updated when the servers moves ?

But why not have the server on a fixed ip too ?


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Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool


garym;671410 Wrote: 
 or even if laptop that you don't want fixed ip, at least reserve the
 IP in your home network. That way the laptop will always get the same
 IP address from DHCP server.

+1 right so, youve done that


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Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

2011-11-19 Thread garym


Mnyb;671415 Wrote: 
 +1 right so, youve done that

yep, not required, but I like to use a true static/fixed IP for any
devices that don't leave the house (SB players and server), but
reserved IP addresses for laptops, iphones, ipads, etc.


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garym;671416 Wrote: 
 yep, not required, but I like to use a true static/fixed IP for any
 devices that don't leave the house (SB players and server), but
 reserved IP addresses for laptops, iphones, ipads, etc.

I've not bothered with the iPad nothing to hack on it so I don't have a
direct need to know where it  is .

But like you my whole server + 5 squeeze devices are static and my
desktop, most of it directly connected via switches..


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Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released

2011-11-19 Thread Wigster


Well, I wiped the cache last week, but I'll try again.

I just tried searching the HTTP server logs and nothing like these
strings appears. I tried playing them, etc.


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Re: [slim] Android Controller App

2011-11-19 Thread tonyptony


mherger;670443 Wrote: 
  Just got my Kindle Fire today.
 
  Tried to install Logitech Controller App from GetJar but no joy.
 
  Any chance Logitech could publish this app officially in the
 Amazon
  App store?
 
 I've forwarded your request - just to get a mail from a different
 corner  
 within the company to check whether the app would be compatible a few 
 
 minutes later. It seems we're checking the options :-).
 
 -- 
 
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+1+1+1+1

I suspect there will be a lot of users of the Kindle Fire or Nook
Tablet who also own one or more of the Logitech devices. Assuming the
press hype is right, between the two of these they will make a huge
impact on the 7 tablet market. Making this app available through
Amazon would be killer.


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[slim] Slacker Premium?

2011-11-19 Thread reneallard


Being in Canada, with few music services, and having just recently been
told that Napster Canada is packing it in, it would be really nice if
Logitech offered access to all the Slacker Premium options (artists,
songs, and albums on demand).  It seems to me the future of music
streaming is more about music service integration - and less about
DLNA...


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Re: [slim] Time is off


sebp;671364 Wrote: 
 
 Faites ce que je dis, pas ce que je fais.
 You're exactly telling us that LMS should suit YOUR NEEDS (edit: and
 don't give a damn what other people's are, just to be clear).

Absolutely not.
I am telling that LMS should suit the needs of NON-GEEK people.
Obviously those needs are not yours.
There are crowds of customers fed up with SBS/LMS, and nobody can
seriously say that this software is satisfying, except for geeks.

You are happy with QNAP ? people are happy for you (seriously)
You are happy with LMS ? people are happy for you (seriously)
Nobody is going to tell you to change if that suit yours needs.

Now crowds of non geek people are fed up with SBS/LMS and those
software are a big failure for Logitech.
Everybody is wondering if it has a future or not, what a success ...

For the first time in more than 4 years, I have the best experience I
have ever had with squeezeboxes, the less frustrating one.
The simple fact that a solution could be satisfying for the vast
majority people, but not for your geek configuration, seems to make you
angry.
That's now that I am satisfied, than a bunch of people like you come to
tell me I should not use a squeezebox.

When I read your posts, and some others, it seems that you would prefer
almost everybody unhappy and frustrated, than fully satisfied with a
solution you don't like.

What is the problem with people like you ?


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Wigster;671422 Wrote: 
 I just tried searching the HTTP server logs and nothing like these
 strings appears.So if Whitebear is not sending those strings, then either WMP 
 12 is
inventing them or some other UPnP library is providing them. Or ??


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Re: [slim] Time is off


erland;671371 Wrote: 
 I'm not talking about NAS boxes, I completely agree with you that one
 shouldn't try to run LMS on a NAS, it just causes too much issues and
 bad performance. I'm talking about Linux and OSX servers which is all I
 have.
 
 I already use Windows in VirtualBox from time to time, but it isn't
 stable enough to use as music server. Let's just face it, Windows is a
 desktop operating system and not a server operating system, they have
 tried to make it work as a server but there are a lot of issues with
 using it that way, at least as long as you aren't a Windows geek and
 know how to configure it to run smoothly as a server.
 
 MediaMonkey on a Windows desktop computer is probably working great and
 might be a good solution for people with a stationary Windows computer,
 but it's important to remember that most non geeks are getting a laptop
 or tablet these days when their current computer is getting old, and a
 Wifi connected Windows laptop or tablet is not the best server device
 for a trouble free Squeezebox setup. It's also not the best way to
 store a large music library as laptop drives tends to be limited in
 size.
 
 What we need to reach the non geeks is a player which can take music
 from a Windows shared drive or a USB drive, pretty much what Sonos
 already provide today. If the Squeezebox Touch hardware was faster and
 had more memory it would be able to do this but it doesn't work with
 its current very limited hardware. But it's pretty pointless to discuss
 it here because most people on these forums are geeks in one way or
 another and want to run a separate server and doesn't want the
 Squeezebox to be simplified to fit the masses as it means we will also
 loose flexibility and advanced features.

I am surprised you have problems with virtual windows.
I use professionally virtual servers with various Linux flavors, and
Windows (XP, Seven, 2008 Server, etc ...) without stability problems.

I had not pay attention to yout SMD thread, may be it is a better
thread to discuss about that, be here are the first thoughts coming to
my mind.

As far as Windows is concerned, don't reinvent the wheel, MediaMonkey
is fine, can satisfy most needs, can be an effective solution, and is a
proof of concept that interfacing a good software with Squeezebox can be
achieved.
There are others softwares for Windows, may be as good as MediaMonkey.
There is just to make the same thing for them.

I read very quickly about SMD and may be what I will say is pointless,
but anyway ...
A lot of people asked MediaMonkey for a Linux version and open source
code.
They always refused, and (I think it is a wise answer) said there is no
secret here, that a good software team can develop a MediaMonkey for
Linux with good management and good understanding of user interface.
If every geek rush in to develop his own weird idea, they will probably
ruin the concept.

If I get it right, you need a MediaMonkey like software for Linux, with
decent library management.

Two options :

- it already exists, make the MonkeySqueeze-like for it
- it doesn't exist, start the project, but don't limit it to
Squeezeboxes

If you want people to help, you need a much wider use of it.
It should be able to control Squeezeboxes, but also others devices,
soundcards, external dacs ...

I doubt you will find a lot of useful contributors if it is limited to
a specific product line, which future is questioned.

As far as I am concerned, I would start with Windows, desktop, server,
virtual or not.

Then check if there is a good equivalent software for Linux.

If there is none, there may be a reason for that ... not enough demand,
or geeks simply not able to come with good understanding of what is a
user interface.

If there is really no other solution, that means you have to be the
manager for the Linux MediaMonkey ... that is a big project ...


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'

2011-11-19 Thread CharlieG


toby10;671395 Wrote: 
  In fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the
 Internet radio capability. 
 
 Like it or not (I do) this is the future of the entire product line and
 I'd bet it's the key reason Logitech was really interested in SB in the
 first place.

I guess I'm one of the few Squeezebox users who does not use Internet
radio at all (just used it for a short time in 2009).  I do understand
how some would use it to discover new music but I don't see myself
using it as a primary source (unless sound quality has gotten better).


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Re: [slim] Time is off


Mnyb;671367 Wrote: 
 
 But my server has no gui So no x system nowhere to have a virtual
 windows desktop it's command line only and has no monitor or keyboard.
 

Virtual machines can easily be installed and accessed from remote
computers.
It is even the most common way to control them.
There is absolutely no problem there.


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Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released

2011-11-19 Thread Wigster


I've just recreated the cache, and the new library is again being
populated with dupes too.

How would I know if two Whitebears are running? It would appear in the
task list, wouldn't it? There is only one WB there right now.

All the sharing services on the WHS are disabled. There isn't a UPnP
server running in 7.6.2, AFAIK. I have a bunch of plugins, but nothing
strange.


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'

2011-11-19 Thread garym


CharlieG;671447 Wrote: 
 I guess I'm one of the few Squeezebox users who does not use Internet
 radio at all (just used it for a short time in 2009).  I do understand
 how some would use it to discover new music but I don't see myself
 using it as a primary source (unless sound quality has gotten better).

I use internet radio a lot, but not so much for music (although I
sometimes use Radio Paradise 192 streams as background music). I have
lots of my own music and for main music listening I use that. But my
wife and I prefer all the many news stations we can get from elsewhere.
For example I like things that are on WNYC-AM (one of the public radio
stations in NYC). And I enjoy (in a strange way) the morning Jazz show
(as much history/talking as music) called Bird Flight on NYC's WKCR
with Phil Schaap. These are just a handful of examples. I like canadian
broadcasting for certain things, local stations in Texas where I'm from,
etc.

This said, I want LMS to be excellent for my own FLAC files *and* for
internet radio and services (spotify, pandora, etc.).


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Re: [slim] What should be in the next version of SqueezePad (part 2)

2011-11-19 Thread topster



A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83106

Question: What's your highest priority

- More images of your music collection
- More Screensafers
- Better player syncing
- Mysqueezebox.com - Player Switching
- Better Search
- Drag'n'Drop for the playlist
- TrackStat Ratings
- IRBlaster integration
- Big Screen with Album Covers for selection
- Something else


Hello,

I voted for better search as it'll be much easier to find music without
selecting multiple options. Also, as part of Better search, being able
to do a lazy search, where items are automatically displayed based on
the search string, would be even better.

One minor enhancement request: I love soundtracks and want to be able
to browse my soundtrack albums and select one to play easily. However,
choosing My Music-Genres-Soundtrack displays all the artists before
All Albums. Since All Albums is a single entry, it would be nice to
see it at the top rather than the bottom of the list.

Thanks for the great job!

Oh, and portrait mode support please.


Cheers!


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Re: [slim] Slacker Premium?

2011-11-19 Thread johnas


reneallard;671436 Wrote: 
 Being in Canada, with few music services, and having just recently been
 told that Napster Canada is packing it in, it would be really nice if
 Logitech offered access to all the Slacker Premium options (artists,
 songs, and albums on demand).  It seems to me the future of music
 streaming is more about music service integration - and less about
 DLNA...

Reneallard, Slacker Premium is not available in Canada. Slacker does
not offer this subscription option here on any platform. Slacker Radio
Plus is the subscription they offer (no ads, no on demand music,
unlimited song skips, mobile device support). Slacker Canada seems to
have a pretty limited music library at least based on my experience.


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Re: [slim] Slacker Premium?

2011-11-19 Thread MeSue


Vote for it - http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17281


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Re: [slim] Android Controller App

2011-11-19 Thread pippin


Assuming
a) it works and
b) Logitech's lawyers are prepared to eat Amazon's ridiculous store
contract. Will be interesting to see the outcome of that. Although it's
probably not as bad for free Apps as for paid ones.


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'


Much of internet radios problems is in it's multitude of everything from
streaming quality to a plethora of formats apps and streaming
aggregatetors broadcasters and whatnot .
Sometimes working against there user interest and revert to obscure
formats only usable from a pc , or by constantly shift url to something
else .

Constanly shifting URL should be a crime

There are at least 1's of stations playing greatests hit's or
dance music why ? there is so much repetition .

Helping users to wade trough that and locate the content of interest
would be the mission statement

Talk radio and pods is it any better, not gotten i to that yet .

Make squeezebox a better podcast player bookmark and resume anyone ?

If you build a meta service it should not only aggregate and present.
mysqueezebox.com does that but in 1/100 of the speed needed to keep up
with the development, why not present a new app/service every week.

The apps should be better .

Example Triode surpased logitechs spotify implemetation on his
sparetime ? Try the shoutcast app, every time I try to use it has
crashed in some new funny way.

But a greater goal would be to traverse *all* apps and services a user
subcribes to and get the content presented in a user friendly way in a
consistent UI .

If I want to listen to science podcasts or have some party music with
the latest electronica I don't really care for if the playlist is
aggregated from 758 different providers.

Or if I want to hear Blues mysqueezebox.com should use be able to
find in everywhere in all my services and radio stations and make
sugestions .

mysqueeezebox.com should of-course learn my preferences and eventually
be able to smartly present things I might be interested in.

Ofcourse in a user friendly fashion.

Improvement of their own phone/pad app could be great for
mysqueezebox.com only users .

Why not global settings ? I would like to able to filter out any radio
channel 128kbs if it music and 64k if it is talk and make it prefer
higher bitrates and put those on top in the searches.


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Re: [slim] Announce: Whitebear Media Server v2.2 Released

2011-11-19 Thread MrC


I haven't said thanks recently, so I sent you 30.00 EUR.  Enjoy dinner
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Re: [slim] Slacker Premium?

2011-11-19 Thread reneallard


Actually, Slacker Premium IS available in Canada - I have it on both my
iphone and ipad.  Full on-demand access to millions of artists, along
with their premium radio services.  I've had it for months now, and
really enjoy the service - especially since MOG/Spotify/Pandora etc.
aren't available in Canada, and since Rdio is not available for
Squeezebox period (although available in Canada on other platforms.  I
will definitely vote for this bug/enhancement.


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Re: [slim] Time is off


nicolas75;671439 Wrote: 
 What is the problem with people like you ?
People like you, I guess.

You don't seem to understand that many other people have been perfectly
happy with the server software for years, even if there were some
glitches now and then, and it misses some features (often found in
plugins).

Who are you to tell me that I must stop using my players the way I've
always done?


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'

2011-11-19 Thread Gingernut63


Is having your own music collection now a thing of the past?
Do the majority of Squeezebox users what their music collection in the
cloud?
Do the majority of Squeezebox users only listen to radio? 
Do they care about the fidelity of the sound?

Big decisions. Could have huge ramifications for Squeezebox at it's
users. I doubt that the status quo will remain. If this is true then be
prepared for major changes and not necessarily good ones. I've yet to
see positive outcomes when businesses reinvent a line to make it more
profitable. As already highlighted, standards will drop straight away.
From a business point of view the current hardware is too expensive for
mass adoption so there will be a push to produce cheaper units with less
quality. If they retain the high quality gear while doing this then not
a problem but only time will tell.

If they concentrate on internet sources at the expense of local content
then I'm sure a large number of users will be annoyed and will rethink
their use of Squeezebox. Maybe I'm in the minority on this one or am I
just showing my age? 

Interesting times. Of course until we get more facts this is all
supposition.


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Re: [slim] Time is off


nicolas75;671449 Wrote: 
 Virtual machines can easily be installed and accessed from remote
 computers.
 It is even the most common way to control them.
 There is absolutely no problem there.
 [Edit] why don't you install X11 and desktop so you can have easy
 graphical remote access and configuration ? it makes things so much
 easier ...

it not needed it's a very simple server all it does is LMS the server
OS has it own web based admin interface it is basically made to not
have a desktop or monitor it is very easy to admin I basically do
nothing with it, I upgrade LMS/SBS the OS minds it own business
automatically I just installed it there is rarely anything to adjust
ever.
The players boot it via WOL so I don't need to touch it's power
button.

I don't want a GUI overhead virtuals on that 1,2ghZ single core via cpu
is a no go .

The whole point with a headless server is that it is just that, a
square small box sitting in a corner/basement/closet it appaers as
share/fileserver on my desktop thats how I add music to it .

Your sugestion is extremely messy for my needs consider that some user
actually wants a distributed solution .

I abonded the pc centric way of playing music because i don't like it
.

SBS/LMS makes my files available to me on my players so it works for me
.

They way I organize my music does not require any folder browsing at
all. all my music is already on the server, I don't need to constantly
manage music only when I add new stuff and that is a quick operation
imo .

It takes time the rip and tag or download and tag and a couple of
minutes  extra to add it to the server so what ? guess which part that
uses least time and effort ;) 

Downloading ripping and tagging is done on my desktop computer, I used
to run the server on that too but is to noisy and power hungry ( I can
hear it from my listening room ) Then i simply put them on my network
share who is the music folder LMS uses , browse to the new album via a
player and listen to it or (start a new and changed scan if it's a
whole bunch of albums I add)

And as I said the server is a network share so tag adjusting or some
file maintance can be done from my destop without much fuzz .

I may clarify my setup  I got one Linux desktop and one barebones Linux
server this server runs LMS .


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Re: [slim] Keep SB3 or get touch...please help me decide!!

2011-11-19 Thread wonder boy


bonze;671315 Wrote: 
 50% discount!
 
 Buy two Touches :)

Good idea, code is for one item sadly!


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'

2011-11-19 Thread paulster


I hear you.

I was dismayed enough when they introduced a mono product (the Radio)
and then discontinued the Transporter without a proper hi-fi component
replacement.

Funny enough I was just thinking about adding a couple of Touches to
get some more zones, but I'm now going to look at the alternative
products available where there is some sort of commitment to hi-fi.


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Re: [slim] Time is off


sebp;671471 Wrote: 
 People like you, I guess.
 
 You don't seem to understand that many other people have been perfectly
 happy with the server software for years, even if there were some
 glitches now and then, and it misses some features (often found in
 plugins).
 
 Who are you to tell me that I must stop using my players the way I've
 always done?

Who am I to tell you that you must stop using your players the way
you've always done ?
Are you kidding ?

I specifically told you everybody (including me) is happy for you if
you keep on using it the way you do, since you seem to be satisfied
with it.
I specifically said that this is the same for all those ones who are
satisfied with it.

I said you should continue to use it the way you do, and not loose your
time with alternative solutions going against your most important
requirements.

I rewrite exactly what I wrote :

The more I read your posts, the more I think you should stick with LMS
and should not pay attention to alternative solutions
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=671361postcount=72

Nobody is going to tell you to change if that suit yours needs.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=671439postcount=77

I have no problem understanding that some people can be happy with
LMS.

But I do know a lot of people are frustrated with SBS/LMS and I do
think there is no way they can be satisfied using it the way you do.

So once again, keep on using it the way you do.

But please, do not prevent people who do not share your views to try
the excellent work of MonkeySqueeze developers.
Because all in all, sorry if I am a bit harsh, you simply imply that
MonkeySqueeze excellent work is useless crap, just because you don't
like Windows.
I would even say I think you are nearly insultant towards MonkeySqueeze
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Re: [slim] Time is off


Mnyb;671479 Wrote: 
 
 ...
 I don't want a GUI overhead virtuals on that 1,2ghZ single core via cpu
 is a no go .
 ...
 Your sugestion is extremely messy for my needs consider that some user
 actually wants a distributed solution .
 
 I abonded the pc centric way of playing music because i don't like it
 .
 
 SBS/LMS makes my files available to me on my players so it works for me
 .
 
 ...
 

Well I'd say that if you are happy with what you have, the best is to
stick with it ...
As far as I am concerned, Linux becomes a problem as soon as you need
softwares not available on Linux.
When I don't need them Linux can be the best.
When I do need them and cannot find the equivalent for Linux, I'd
rather use Windows.
I have no religion about that.
In my opinion, when you see how small and silent is something like a
Asrock NetTop, I have no problem hiding it behind a TV or on a shelf,
use Windows, and basta ...
Different people have different needs, and there are different
solutions, not a single one.
It is as simple as that.


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'


paulster;671487 Wrote: 
 I hear you.
 
 I was dismayed enough when they introduced a mono product (the Radio)
 and then discontinued the Transporter without a proper hi-fi component
 replacement.
 
 Funny enough I was just thinking about adding a couple of Touches to
 get some more zones, but I'm now going to look at the alternative
 products available where there is some sort of commitment to hi-fi.

The Touch is still a fine player , but uncertain future is never good
.
For local playback one could just stick to the current version of
everything for a long time .

However this indicates that there may be some kind of future for the
products the alternative would have been that they discontinued it.


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'

2011-11-19 Thread castalla


Why all the panic and rumour?

The Touch is perfectly useable via LMS, even if development stops
and/or mysb.com shuts down.  That's a lot more then many other systems
which depend almost exclusively on a database server accessible via the
internet.

Calm down.


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Re: [slim] Time is off


nicolas75;671491 Wrote: 
 But please, do not prevent people who do not share your views to try the
 excellent work of MonkeySqueeze developers.
 Because all in all, sorry if I am a bit harsh, you simply imply that
 MonkeySqueeze excellent work is useless crap, just because you don't
 like Windows.
 I would even say I think you are nearly insultant towards MonkeySqueeze
 authors work.
Err, where have I said anything about MonkeySqueeze?

My only point is that you're calling now, and already have been before,
Logitech to stop developing SBS/LMS as we know it today, to move to a
Windows centric product. And that would really suck for all of us using
non Windows-based systems if they hear you. Dot.

If you want Logitech to sell more Squeezebox, rather ask them to make
mysqueezebox.com more reliable and add more and more online services.
Because that's what normal people expect from such a device today.


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Re: [slim] Time is off


sebp;671521 Wrote: 
 
 
 If you want Logitech to sell more Squeezebox, rather ask them to make
 mysqueezebox.com more reliable and add more and more online services.
 Because that's what normal people expect from such a device today.

yes having local files in the first place is for the really
interested/geeks today.

All other use spotify/napstert/MOG whatever .

It's was rather common where I live before spotify, there where no
music services  I think spotify has local monopoly here but wimp have
emerged as competition. US citizen are more fortunate they had a
variety of streaming services for years .

People cant be bothered to torrent when they have spotify , thats it .
And ripping CD's crew old when iTunes store opened .


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Re: [slim] MonkeySqueeze

2011-11-19 Thread Gingernut63


The NAS settings have been updated and are now placed in the first post
of The MonkeySqueeze Development topic. For further updates I'll post
in this forum and tweet on twitter.

Support Forum:
http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=59515

If you want the latest info on MonkeySqueeze then the quickest way is
to follow us on twitter. The link is in my signature.

Cheers


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'

sebp;671384 Wrote:
Here's (my rough and probably inaccurate translation for) an excerpt
from 'an interview'
(http://www.clubic.com/internet/google/google-tv/actualite-458400-logitech-interview-junien-labrousse.html)
by Junien Labrousse (Executive Vice President, Products and President,
Logitech Europe):

NOW THAT AIRPLAY TECHNOLOGY BECOMES THE GENERAL RULE, WHAT'S THE FUTURE
OF THE SQUEEZEBOX DIGITAL MUSIC STREAMING RANGE OF PRODUCTS?
The Squeezebox range of products fills a very specific need. Listening
to Internet radios, accessing online music services (Deezer and
Spotify, for example). There are several things to improve: we have to
simplify the product's positioning because it's hard to sell, but we
also have to work on the user interface. The first Squeezebox was used
to stream music anywhere in one's house. Internet radios came later. In
fact, most of Squeezebox customers today are more interested by the
Internet radio capability. Many of our developments aren't absolutely
necessary any more, and we need to rework the product from start for a
positioning change. Naturally, we'll keep the features our users have
liked so far.

Doesn't smell very good, if you ask me...

If you ask me, this was a very positive message, because it shows
that:
1. Logitech is aware that they need to focus on the user experience to
make the products a success, something they haven't done during the
last years with all the technical non music and non user related
focus.
2. Logitech is planning for a future and doesn't plan to abandon the
Squeezebox products as some people seems to think.
3. Logitech are aware of the fact that even if some people doesn't like
it online streaming services is important for a success among the
masses.
4. Logitech are aware that they can't drop important features that
exist today, like playback of locally stored music.

If I ask more or less any of my friends when they last purchased a CD,
it's not during the last years, they all get their music through other
channels than CD's these days. Some purchase music as electronic
downloads from Apple, some of gets music from torrent sites, but most
of them just gets music from online streaming services. I'm not sure
how it looks like in other countries but I'm imagining it's going to be
pretty much the same situation everywhere around the world fairly soon.

Audiophiles are still going to want the CD because of the quality
difference, but Logitech can't target audiophiles because on that
market they are going to compete with HiFi manufacturers and most
audiophiles are going to trust something with a HiFi manufacturer logo
on the front a lot more than something with a Logitech logo on the
front.

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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'


paulster;671487 Wrote: 
 
 I was dismayed enough when they introduced a mono product (the Radio)
 and then discontinued the Transporter without a proper hi-fi component
 replacement.
 
 Funny enough I was just thinking about adding a couple of Touches to
 get some more zones, but I'm now going to look at the alternative
 products available where there is some sort of commitment to hi-fi.
 
I would suggest that anyone that wants HiFi should either get a
Squeezebox Touch, as it's likely going to be the last Squeezebox with
excellent audio quality, or get something from a HiFi manufacturer that
you know is going to be there tomorrow and you know is going to focus on
HiFi also tomorrow.

The only issue with HiFi manufacturers is that even if they are
focusing on audio quality they aren't necessarily focusing on streaming
audio, so their products can have other disadvantages compared to
Squeezebox products, but if audio quality is the number one priority my
feeling is still that a HiFi manufacturer is the right choice for you.
Just be aware that things like synchronized playback between different
rooms aren't necessarily going to be something they focus on 2 years in
the future, because it's not something that enhance the audio quality
from an audiophile perspective.


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Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'

2011-11-19 Thread paulster


erland;671554 Wrote: 
 Audiophiles are still going to want the CD because of the quality
 difference, but Logitech can't target audiophiles because on that
 market they are going to compete with HiFi manufacturers and most
 audiophiles are going to trust something with a HiFi manufacturer logo
 on the front a lot more than something with a Logitech logo on the
 front.

They still own the SlimDevices brand.  Use it.

My Ultimate Ears personal monitors are still called Ultimate Ears since
Logitech bought them, because no touring professional in their right
mind would rely on a Logitech-branded product.  There's no reason why
they can't do the same for hi-fi, and use Logitech for the more
consumer-oriented products like the radio et. al.


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