Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?

2011-12-05 Thread Pascal Hibon

That is just one of the many advantages of Squeezebox; no matter how one
wants to use it, it is supported by the system. Users have the option to
use a computer (PC / laptop) to control the system. But users who don't
want to use a computer (PC / laptop) to control the system have many
options too (iPones, iPads, Android devices and even Blackberry). 
Same thing goes for the local server: users have the choise not to have
a local server, or run the local server on a NAS, PC, laptop etc. 
The Squeezebox system is able to integrate into your existing
environment very easy and adapt itself to your way of working.


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[slim] SBS vs LMS vs SSOTS

2011-12-05 Thread johan d

Hello, i have a duet and a radio squeezebox running on a QNAP P219+ nas.
It runs om SBS 7.5.3.
Now with this new naming convention of Squeezeboxserver i don't know
which software to install or upgrade. 
Can anyone give a light on this?

SBS=...
LMS=...
SSOTS=...

thx, Johan


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Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?

2011-12-05 Thread AndreE

The discussion is getting hot ;-)
There was quite simple question: what can be used as an alternative to
my duet? 
Receiving an offer for Apple TV (second generation) with price tag
below 100 Euro (Touch costs still 250+) I see it would be hard to keep
the battle

Again, I am happy with my Logitech setup, just worry about its future.

if mysb.com will be off – will my whole system be able to listen radio?


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Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?

2011-12-05 Thread Pascal Hibon

As a result of my quest for an alternative system to Squeezebox I'm
going to buy a Touch. The store where I usually buy these thing have
them for 239 Euro. They are currently sold out though. I guess this is
due to the holiday season. 
I sold one of my SB3's when I bought the Sonos ZP90. But now that I've
sold the Sonos player I'm going to complete my system again with a
Touch. For me there is still no Squeezebox alternative out there. 

As to your question about listening to radio streams without
mysqueezebox.com, yes that is possible. You can use a local server
instead, or you can use TinySBS inside the Touch. Many radio stations
have an URL for audio streaming and don't require a plugin.


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Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox alternative?

2011-12-05 Thread toby10

AndreE;674669 Wrote: 
 T. 
 if mysb.com will be off – will my whole system be able to listen radio?

As Pascal suggests, yes.  But in a very limited capacity.  You would
loose all Apps and services hosted by MySB, along with all internet
based stream navigation.  

The only thing that *might* work within the Internet Radio menu item at
all is Tune In URL, everything else in that menu is hosted by TuneIn.com
which would not be usable absent MySB.

Internet Radio usage would essentially be down too cut  paste basic
URLS's from other programs into your Favorites.


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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music2touch 1.4.3 for the Blackberry Playbook released

2011-12-05 Thread Rick B.

Hi, friedit - nice to see you are planning an update. Looking forward to
it!


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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music2touch 1.4.3 for the Blackberry Playbook released

2011-12-05 Thread friedit

Rick B.;674697 Wrote: 
 Hi, friedit - nice to see you are planning an update. Looking forward to
 it!

Well don't get your hopes up for any thing big - only the mentioned
features are in it (utf-8 fixes, add folders to playlists, power on/off
your squeezebox). I don't plan any big updates since for me the playbook
platform is more dead than alive and I think the app is pretty much
feature complete. However bug fixes and tiny useful updates are always
possible.

Next stop android :)


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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music2touch 1.4.3 for the Blackberry Playbook released

2011-12-05 Thread Lakes_Puma

friedit;674180 Wrote: 
 You should check the http port.

you were spot on my nas uses port 9001

many thanks


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Re: [slim] Squeezebox receiver cutting out..very frustrated..

2011-12-05 Thread Rob Zimmerman
I have had the same problem beginning about two releases prior to the current 
release.  I am on 7.7.0 now.  My Squeezebox classic is on a wired ethernet 
connection.  I have a Squeezebox radio that I do not have a problem with.  I 
normally see two players listed, but when the classic cuts out, the server only 
shows the radio.

Does this help anyone with finding a solution?

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Re: [slim] Squeezebox receiver cutting out..very frustrated..

2011-12-05 Thread Soulkeeper

jasongilliland;674218 Wrote: 
 Should I just connect to the receiver with an ethernet cable?

If that is an option, the answer is *Yes!* (Bold text, capital Y and
exclamation mark included.)

Never let WiFi be a pain in your back if you can connect it via
Ethernet.


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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android

2011-12-05 Thread emalvick

flattermann;674202 Wrote: 
 BTW: I just tried it here and for me, SqueezeCommander always shows the
 Track Artist (but not the Album Artist) on the NowPlaying screen and in
 the Album view.

For me it only shows the Album Artist in both those views.  Perhaps
there is a setting elsewhere I need to set.  I'd be happy if it was
only showing the Track Artist.

On my duet controller, I get both Album Artist and Track Artist(s). 
That isn't necessarily ideal, but I find it preferable to Album Artist
only.


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Re: [slim] Do not list compilation albums under srtist?

2011-12-05 Thread emalvick

JJZolx;674480 Wrote: 
 Such an album isn't a 'compilation' in the sense that Squeezebox Server
 uses. And an album with an album artist also isn't a compilation.

This is always a hazy area, which is why I doubt we'll see the one best
fix.  Saying an that because there is an Album Artist, Compilation = 0
(which is what is assumed by Squeezebox) is a bit of a disservice.  Of
course, we can manually set Compilation = 1.  

Ideally, the logic would be a bit more inteligent.  For instance, if a
track artist exists on all tracks on an album, even if they aren't the
only track artist, then this type of album should be treated as
Compilation = 0.  Album Artist should not fall into the equation of
what is a compilation or not.  

I know we've had these discussions before, but it is just screwy, and
it doesn't help that there are a lot of bugs out there.  I appreciate
the fact that you are very aware of the bugs and their numbers.  I vote
for them, but as a pessimist, I assume they'll never be fixed.  Then
again, I see these bugs popping up for a lot more people, so perhaps
there is hope.


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Re: [slim] Thank you Slim Devices.

2011-12-05 Thread jazzcat

First of all, I'm glad to have found this Community. Have been reading
for hours and days, before I bought my SB products, and now that I have
them I still keep reading and learning. (You'll note I wrote SB
product*s*).

You see, just a few days ago I bought a new Touch. Connected to my
vacuum tubed power amps, DIY dac and Vandersteen 2C speakers, it blew
me away. What's more, it was on sale for $50 off!! Then just a day
later, I saw the same store had the SBRadio on sale also for $50 off.
Took it home (for the bedroom). Sync'd them up and now the cat is
grooving to 500+ jazz stations, not to mention his personal
library,yeah man!!

I always have to have good, swingin' music flowing through the house.
Used to have XM satellite. It was OK until the merger with Sirius,
after which it went down the tubes for my tastes. Cancelled the subs
and dumped all my Sat-Rad gear. 

So to end this unabashed fan letter, I'm so happy to have discovered
Logitech SB. I love it. It's changed my musical life! I'm sure the
people from Logitech look in here sometimes. To them I say: Please
accept my most enthusiastic Thank You !!

jazzcat


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Re: [slim] Do not list compilation albums under srtist?

2011-12-05 Thread JJZolx

emalvick;674753 Wrote: 
 This is always a hazy area, which is why I doubt we'll see the one best
 fix.  Saying an that because there is an Album Artist, Compilation = 0
 (which is what is assumed by Squeezebox) is a bit of a disservice.

Like you say, the debate has gone on forever, but why is it a
'disservice' to say that if an album has an ALBUMARTIST that it's not a
compilation?

The only thing that being a compilation really does is tells the server
to credit the album to the pseudo-albumartist 'Various Artists'. If you
want to override that, and override the logic that determines
compilation albums, then it's a means to doing so. Merely adding
COMPILATION=0 to such an album leaves you with one very large problem:
Who's album is it when there are multiple artists on the tracks?

 Of course, we can manually set Compilation = 1.

You can, but it should have little or no effect. If you want a
compilation album to be credited to some other particular artist then
what does _also_ saying that it's a compilation accomplish? Do you want
it to be grouped with 'Various Artists' despite being credited to
someone? I could see that, but I can't understand why anyone would want
it.

 Ideally, the logic would be a bit more inteligent.  For instance, if a
 track artist exists on all tracks on an album, even if they aren't the
 only track artist, then this type of album should be treated as
 Compilation = 0.

There is no TRACKARTIST tag. Are you saying that the server should
evaluate the artist list from every track on an album, and that if it
sees a common artist on all tracks, then the album should be considered
a non-compilation credited to that common artist? A) That's a fairly
tall order that I expect would slow down scanning substantially. B) I
doubt that there's any software out there that does this. C) What
happens when an album has, say, one track by a guest artist on which
the main artist doesn't appear? Then it gets marked as a compilation
anyway.


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Re: [slim] Do not list compilation albums under srtist?

2011-12-05 Thread garym

JJZolx;674775 Wrote: 
 If you want a compilation album to be credited to some other particular
 artist then what does _also_ saying that it's a compilation accomplish?
 Do you want it to be grouped with 'Various Artists' despite being
 credited to someone? I could see that, but I can't understand why
 anyone would want it.
 

As an aside, my current approach is to NOT add an Album Artist to my
compilations. I leave this blank UNLESS I want the comp album to be
credited to a certain artist. For example, I want my Gram Parsons
Tribute Album to show up under the artist listing for Gram Parsons, so
I add Gram Parsons as album artist. And all comp albums are
identified with COMPILAtION = 1.  

In Settings, I have the compilations showing up under Compilations. 
Without the VA Album Artist tag, this makes my VA listing much cleaner
(i.e., the few CDs I have where they are truly VA, but not really
compilationsI know that sounds confusing).

For other nonComp CDs, I don't use Album Artist unless:

1. there is at least one track with an additional/different track
artist (so that album doesn't get treated as Compilation by SB)
2. I want the album to show up under a generic artist name rather than
the specific name (Neil Young as AA even though Neil Young  Crazy
Horse as Track Artist.

For me, this all works well with SB, with foobar2000, and with itunes
(when I create a mirror mp3 directory for use there).


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[slim] Transporter Display - bit depth and frequency

2011-12-05 Thread jon michaels

Is it possible to get the Transporter display to show bit depth and
frequency, ie. 16/44 or 24/96?  Maybe a plugin if not natively?


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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squeezeslave: 1.0 released

2011-12-05 Thread donny619

First. Love SqueezeSlave. Great work! 

I found myself looking for something like this because of hi-rez
support. I was encouraged to see a wasapi version but upon using it,
all my hi-rez material and SACD rips were down-sampled to 44.1khz. Of
course, further reading shows that the limitation is within the
original code of squeezeslave(correct me if I'm wrong). I use SPDIF
output on my computer to an external DAC and the DAC displays what the
sample rate is locked in at.

My question is, isn't the point of a wasapi build to passthrough the
audio file as is? If I launch XBMC and play the music file (using
ffdshow codec, WASAPI SPDIF output within XMBC), the music same music
files lock in at the correct sample sizes (ie 88khz, 176khz...etc). 

Is it possible to implement SqueezeSlave in a similar passthrough
manner? 

Even the SqueezeBox hardware themselves are limited through SPDIF. The
Touch maxes out at 96/24 and all other players before the Touch
downsample hi-rez material to 48/24,16 or 44/24,16 . I was hoping
SqueezeSlave would break the barrier.

I have a Touch, 2 duets and a classic and have quite a few SACDs
recently ripped that are sampled at 176/24 and 192/24. If SqueezeSlave
can be implemented the way XMBC passes audio, I'll sell all my players
and donate the profits to your team. I'm guessing many people would be
willing to pay for a version like this because it would provide
something Logitech does not currently provide.

And yes, I could use XBMC but I'd have to organize multiple sets of
playlists and VortexBox is not an option for me because I'm not ready
to wipe out my existing media computer for a new OS :)


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Re: [slim] Transporter Display - bit depth and frequency

2011-12-05 Thread JJZolx

Maybe the 'Music Information Screen' (MusicInfoSCR) plugin? To install
it, go to Settings  Plugins  Recommended 3rd Party Plugins.

http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins/detail.php?nr=446kategorie=slim-plugins


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Re: [slim] Transporter Display - bit depth and frequency

2011-12-05 Thread sebp

Although it'll make things look better, the MusicInfoScreen plugin isn't
mandatory.

All you need is to define a new title format from the web UI (Settings
 Interface), calling the SAMPLESIZE (bit depth) and SAMPLERATE
(frequency) keywords.

Something like this, for example:
TITLE [SAMPLESIZE/SAMPLERATE]

Then, just select it as the default title format for your player
(Settings  Player  Basic Settings, from the web UI).

Note that SAMPLERATE appears as Hz, not kHz (i.e. 44100, not 44.1)


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Re: [slim] Thank you Slim Devices.

2011-12-05 Thread kc5f

I've stated it in other threads, but it's true that my Duet and Boom
have changed the way I listen to music.  Music has always been
important to me, but just having local stations and a few CD's kept me
from having it on all the time and, more importantly, exposing myself
to more depth and breadth of music of all types.  

Now music surrounds me all the time, with services and stations that
constantly expose me to new music and genres.  Who'd have believed a
few years ago that I could go to sleep listening to traditional
Scandinavian music and wake up to Latin Pop direct from Mexico City?

I hope that these devices continue to be developed and sold for some
time to come.  I will be one of the first to but the next generation
Boom when it comes out.  The sound and functionality are unmatched!


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Re: [slim] SBS vs LMS vs SSOTS

2011-12-05 Thread sebp

One server software, but five different names.
That's quite easy: ;-)
- SliMP3 Server, initially
- SlimServer (SS), from release 5.0.0 to release 6.5.4
- SqueezeCenter (SC), from release 7.0.0 to release 7.3.3
- Squeezebox Server (SBS), from release 7.4.0 to release 7.6.1
- Logitech Media Server (LMS), starting from release 7.7.0

SSOTS was historically for SlimServer On TurboStation (and followed
SSODS, SlimServer On DiskStation), but - although its name hasn't
changed - it's followed the server software's evolution.

SSODS/SSOTS is a third-party distribution of the server software that's
been specifically designed to run on some NAS boxes.

Latest SSODS/SSOTS release is 4.14, and supports Squeezebox Server
7.6.1.
There's no (official) release available for LMS, yet.


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Re: [slim] Do not list compilation albums under srtist?

2011-12-05 Thread emalvick

JJZolx;674775 Wrote: 
 Like you say, the debate has gone on forever, but why is it a
 'disservice' to say that if an album has an ALBUMARTIST that it's not a
 compilation?
 
 The only thing that being a compilation really does is tells the server
 to credit the album to the pseudo-albumartist 'Various Artists'. If you
 want to override that, and override the logic that determines
 compilation albums, then it's a means to doing so. Merely adding
 COMPILATION=0 to such an album leaves you with one very large problem:
 Who's album is it when there are multiple artists on the tracks?

Well, generally:

1. If an album is not a compilation I do have an ALBUM ARTIST

2. However, just because I have an ALBUM ARTIST doesn't mean it isn't a
compilation.

As the previous poster mentioned, if I have tribute albums, I want them
to be posted under an ALBUM ARTIST that is grouped with the artist the
album is a tribute to... In my own setup a tribute album to Bob Dylan
has ALBUM ARTIST = Bob Dylan (Tribute) I don't want them under Bob
Dylan directly either.


 
 You can, but it should have little or no effect. If you want a
 compilation album to be credited to some other particular artist then
 what does _also_ saying that it's a compilation accomplish? Do you want
 it to be grouped with 'Various Artists' despite being credited to
 someone? I could see that, but I can't understand why anyone would want
 it.

Per my previous example.  Just because it is a tribute album doesn't
mean I don't want to find it under Various Artists.  Afterall, tribute
albums are compilations.  Finding it as a compilation also gives those
who don't want the track artists cluttering up their collection the
option to keep that from happening.  You may not want it, I don't
really care since I use Custom Browse, but some people don't.

 
 There is no TRACKARTIST tag. Are you saying that the server should
 evaluate the artist list from every track on an album, and that if it
 sees a common artist on all tracks, then the album should be considered
 a non-compilation credited to that common artist? A) That's a fairly
 tall order that I expect would slow down scanning substantially. B) I
 doubt that there's any software out there that does this. C) What
 happens when an album has, say, one track by a guest artist on which
 the main artist doesn't appear? Then it gets marked as a compilation
 anyway.

I understand there is no Track Artist tag but there appears to be a
track artist entry in the DB and it is the only way to talk about the
actual ARTIST tag without the ambiguity that goes with the server
grouping ALBUMARTIST (and the variations of the tag; BAND, ALBUM
ARTIST, etc).

A) As for identifying the song artists, why should it not be able to do
that?  It is already doing that by identifying compilations based on the
artists NOT being the same on an album. It shouldn't slow down scanning
substantially, and even if it slows it down is it going to render the
software useless?  I don't scan that often.  Doubling the scanning time
wouldn't kill the usability of the server/device.

B) Why should I care if no software does it?  There's a thing called
innovation.  Heck, if it wasn't for innovation, we wouldn't have our
Squeezeboxes at all.

C)I wasn't being absolute... I was throwing out an idea.  The logic
could easily dismiss an album being a compilation if an artist was
present on 90% of the tracks or 80% of the tracks.  I don't know what
the answer would be.

Ultimately, a user would still have the option of over-riding the
settings to their liking.

As it is, in my own system, I had to set the ALBUMARTIST tags to
VARIOUS ARTISTS for all my compilations because my previous software(s)
didn't have the sophistication to know what a compilation was or a
COMPILATION tag, and in fact I didn't know what a COMPILATION tag was
until I had to troubleshoot my own problems with the Squeezebox
software and Various Artists tags (thanks to people like yourself and
others on this forum).

I can respect your points of view, and if I had started my tagging
efforts with this software and this system only, I'd probably have
adopted them.  But I haven't, and I am not going to change it to fit
something that really doesn't have one right answer anyway.  

The ambiguity we have has made for a fuzzy situation, but it is what
allows us to do what we want with our music and tags.


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Re: [slim] Transporter Display - bit depth and frequency

2011-12-05 Thread jon michaels

Very cool.  Works a charm.

I'll take a look at the plugin too, to see if it offers any more
elegant design options. But the basic tags SAMPLESIZE/SAMPLERATE work
fine too, very straightforward.

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[slim] Now Playing hijacks attempt to use menus (controller and radio)

2011-12-05 Thread spedinfargo

Has anyone had this happen?  My Radio and Duet Controller are currently
almost useless lately since my Now Playing screensaver wants to kick
in after only about... oh, 1 second of inactivity.  Meaning it almost
immediately goes to the album artwork whenever I'm trying to navigate
the menus.

Only recently started happening - haven't done a lot of troubleshooting
yet... just seeing if there was a known bug or issue on it...

Thanks


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Re: [slim] Do not list compilation albums under srtist?

2011-12-05 Thread JJZolx

emalvick;674860 Wrote: 
 2. However, just because I have an ALBUM ARTIST doesn't mean it isn't a
 compilation.
 
 As the previous poster mentioned, if I have tribute albums, I want them
 to be posted under an ALBUM ARTIST that is grouped with the artist the
 album is a tribute to... In my own setup a tribute album to Bob Dylan
 has ALBUM ARTIST = Bob Dylan (Tribute) I don't want them under Bob
 Dylan directly either.
 
 Per my previous example.  Just because it is a tribute album doesn't
 mean I don't want to find it under Various Artists.  Afterall, tribute
 albums are compilations.  Finding it as a compilation also gives those
 who don't want the track artists cluttering up their collection the
 option to keep that from happening.  You may not want it, I don't
 really care since I use Custom Browse, but some people don't.

There's a point at which this manipulation becomes absurd. It's like
insisting that the Cheerios be found in the produce section of the
supermarket and found under a sign that says 'Dairy'.

If you can induce this particular behavior, that's fine, but don't
expect it to become a part of the software spec. I can guarantee that
the behavior is unintended, and if it were to break tomorrow, few
people would care.


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Re: [slim] Now Playing hijacks attempt to use menus (controller and radio)

2011-12-05 Thread erland

Which firmware version ? (It's shown in Settings/Advanced/About)
Are you using a local Squeezebox Server or mysqueezebox.com ?
How is the Settings/Screen/Screensavers/Delay parameter configured ?


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Re: [slim] Android Controller App

2011-12-05 Thread Michael Herger
 Any updates on the app? I've been using it. It's not bad, but one thing
 I noticed is that song listings on the Playlist can't be managed - I
 can't select a song on the list to either delete it or move it up the
 list. Seems touching the song title instantly plays it.

It provide the same level of control as does Touch or the Controlle etc.
- no, you can't re-arrange the items
- you should be able to play/delete etc. from the context menu: press   
hold an item

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Re: [slim] Transporter Display - bit depth and frequency

2011-12-05 Thread sebp

jon michaels;674867 Wrote: 
 I'll take a look at the plugin too, to see if it offers any more elegant
 design options.
MusicInfoScreen will let you design a custom screensaver.

That's how I'm using it, along with TitleSwitcher, for example, to
extend the informations shown on the left display (the right one being
reserved for the VUs):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYCG6QyRBdw


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Re: [slim] Do not list compilation albums under srtist?

2011-12-05 Thread verypsb

Please, don't make this another How to tag compilations or
Squeezeboxserver should do this or that with compilations thread...


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