Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Peter314 wrote: Not sure about the ickstream name though. Maybe it sounds better to German ears?! I would say it sounds like the idiom for I stream when you live in Berlin. :D jo-wie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Will the new software enable similar functionality to the current Ipeng+Squeezebox Touch set up? And will we be able to continue to use current add ons such as Triode's Spotify and Enhanced Digital Output plug ins? Steve Corelli45's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55246 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Peter314 wrote: Good news! I shall follow developments with great interest. Not sure about the ickstream name though. Maybe it sounds better to German ears?! It is great news. However, it is a real shame the name was not tried out on a native English speaker before being decided upon. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/icky ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
ModelCitizen wrote: It is great news. However, it is a real shame the name was not tried out on a native English speaker before being decided upon. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/icky Names are very hard to get right and be across many countries and I don't want to be negative but incorrect name can kill a service. I also think the name may be a poor choice for UK Ireland as the word icky is quite common and so when I heard the site first - it did not appeal to me to even read the post except that pippin was the author. There is also another possible bad connotation probably only for UK listeners who have heard about infamous David Icke as it sounds like his web site. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
pippin wrote: Next time Rhapsody changes their encryption it will stop working on the old devices, I'm sure Naive of me to think otherwise, but you've made me nervous again... Does the ickStream development possibly provide a solution for such an event, or is your focus on the Radio/Touch architecture? ajkidle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
jo-wie wrote: I would say it sounds like the idiom for I stream when you live in Berlin. :D That was the idea. Plus maybe an extreme sound-alike. ModelCitizen wrote: It is great news. However, it is a real shame the name was not tried out on a native English speaker before being decided upon. Well, it was obviously tried out on at least one. How bad is it? pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
pippin wrote: Well, it was obviously tried out on at least one. How bad is it? Well, you *could* have called it ickypoo... :) Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Corelli45 wrote: Will the new software enable similar functionality to the current Ipeng+Squeezebox Touch set up? Yes Corelli45 wrote: And will we be able to continue to use current add ons such as Triode's Spotify and Enhanced Digital Output plug ins? It's too early to say at the moment, we have mainly experimented a bit with Squeezebox hardware to ensure it works with our platform but the implementation for Squeezebox is still an early prototype. However, it will definitely be possible for a third party developer to provide an integration where these add-ons can be used. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Corelli45 wrote: Will the new software enable similar functionality to the current Ipeng+Squeezebox Touch set up? And will we be able to continue to use current add ons such as Triode's Spotify and Enhanced Digital Output plug ins? With current add-ons we will have to see. There might be a simple but inconvenient (from a UI perspective) way to just use what is currently there (the current Squeezebox UI is not at all content aware so can't support some of the cooler features we are doing). Generally, the idea is that everybody can easily create own content providers for this and I'm pretty sure it will be possible to develop a generalized way to do this from LMS. In this case it would make a lot of sense to directly go through the ickStream interface instead of creating a Squeezebox menu first because, well, it would then support the cool features mentioned above :) One thing that is different is that long term we envision that 3rd party support for streaming services could be hosted on a web server so that you don't have to run something on an own server to make it work. We don't have a concrete implementation for this today, though. ajkidle wrote: Naive of me to think otherwise, but you've made me nervous again... Does the ickStream development possibly provide a solution for such an event, or is your focus on the Radio/Touch architecture? Currently the focus is on the Radio/Touch architecture for the reasons mentioned above. There has been an idea on how older players could be supported, too, but we haven't done work on this, yet, and I'm almost sure the very first incarnation will not support it, we might have to rely on 3rd party support here and we have to make a particular change (although we already know we will need that one anyhow). In a more general sense: there is no way to ever be safe against things like that with any system as long as your service provider uses DRM and keeps his hands on it. This explicitly includes Spotify, too, who are, strictly speaking, prohibiting all of this. The 3rd party plugin probably goes as far as you can bend their rules. So the general rule is: prefer services who are more open and use standard streaming formats like AAC and mp3 so that you only need access to their content lookup because that's what they will always provide. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Actually quite weird name , does not work that well :) and i'm getting used to all share/free ware that goes with linux , that can be named just about anything and usually have nothing to do with it's function. Well Sony got away with walkman Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
pippin wrote: icky the poo sounds cute to me ;) And Apple with iPad Please do not design a mascot , I just ordered pizza Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
bpa wrote: Names are very hard to get right and be across many countries and I don't want to be negative but incorrect name can kill a service. I also think the name may be a poor choice for UK Ireland as the word icky is quite common and so when I heard the site first - it did not appeal to me to even read the post except that pippin was the author. There is also another possible bad connotation probably only for UK listeners who have heard about infamous David Icke as it sounds like his web site. And in the US, icky is a common phrase for something gross or unpleasant. So the name bothers me a bit as well. But I don't really care what it is called if it preserves my SB ecosystem and allows me to add to it in the future. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
garym wrote: And in the US, icky is a common phrase for something gross or unpleasant. So the name bothers me a bit as well. But I don't really care what it is called if it preserves my SB ecosystem and allows me to add to it in the future. Yep. But maybe now is the best time to consider a name change before development and knowledge spreads further! SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Let's not turn this thread into a name complaints thread. Theoretically the product name can still be changed, but no promises, an important factor of the name is also that people remembers it and discuss it. From now on the chance of being invited as beta tester will decrease for people who complains on the name. People who have already posted their complains will be forgiven for their previous actions. :-) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
erland wrote: let's not turn this thread into a name complaints thread. Theoretically the product name can still be changed, but no promises, an important factor of the name is also that people remembers it and discuss it. From now on the chance of being invited as beta tester will decrease for people who complains on the name. People who have already posted their complains will be forgiven for their previous actions. :-) lol ... bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
As long as it preserves the present ecosystem with all my Squeezies, I will be forever grateful and appreciative. I,too, would be willing to help in any way! Thank you. Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Happy to support this development, though I'm not really sure how this sits with current LMS etc. Is this mainly the mysb.com side being replaced or is this something more than that? lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Date Time screensaver scrolling?
TheShanMan wrote: It's pretty hard to figure out the maximum shift, and if you pick too large a value the display will stick to the left or right side for a while before reversing direction. It makes it even harder if the time format doesn't include seconds because it only moves once per minute instead of once per second. Yeah, I wish that were better, too. It likely won't improve because 1) I haven't found time to code Squeezebox stuff for years now and 2) I don't use FuzzyTime much myself for the FuzzyTime screensaver. Most of my devices are SB2/SB3 and I use a version of SuperDateTime that I've customized to use FuzzyTime APIs to move everything around (even less often -- only moves the bitmaps when it refreshes the weather data). SDT makes it even harder to figure out the max shift as it has separately positioned text and bitmapped icons -- so making FT's screensaver max shift logic better wouldn't help my usage, and might actually complicate the APIs used by my custom SDT. But FT is licensed under the GPL, so anyone who'd like to is welcome to take the code tweak it. I hope that's not cold comfort. :-( peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98470 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Date Time screensaver scrolling?
Nope, that's perfectly fine and understandable. I'm just super happy that it exists at all. I'm a software developer so knowing the code's available, I might just have a look at some point (with what little time I have :)). One thing I noticed is that on first glance it appeared to not work at all on a slimp3 but on closer inspection it only moves between center and left. When moving right, it gets stuck in the center position for the entire time it -should- be on the right half of the screen. That would probably be my first order of business if I start looking at the source code. Thank you very much for the plugin, Peter! TheShanMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10724 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98470 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
erland wrote: From now on the chance of being invited as beta tester will decrease for people who complains on the name. People who have already posted their complains will be forgiven for their previous actions. :-) LOL, fair enough! SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
lrossouw wrote: Happy to support this development, though I'm not really sure how this sits with current LMS etc. Is this mainly the mysb.com side being replaced or is this something more than that? It's a lot more than a mysqueezebox.com replacement, the current plan is to support LMS as a content service for local music because it's really great for that but we will very likely also support other type of content services for local music for people who don't want a computer powered on all the time. We also have some ideas how LMS could be used to provide third party add-ons but this area is still under investigation so we will know more a bit later. I don't see any colliding interests between LMS, the community Squeezebox hardware project and ickStream, they can potentially all work together and provide the system we have always wanted. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Will work continue on fixing bugs and stabilising LMS? Corelli45's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55246 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Corelli45 wrote: Will work continue on fixing bugs and stabilising LMS? Maintaining LMS is not on our priority list at the moment, we will just integrate with it. This could of course change in the future if LMS stops working and nobody is willing to maintain it, but LMS is not critical for our system to work since we have the option to integrate with other content servers for local music. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Corelli45 wrote: Will work continue on fixing bugs and stabilising LMS? And just to be clear: none of us have really been developing LMS in the past. OK, Erland has provided a number of patches and extensions but the real development and maintenance has been with others. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
So if LMS failed then the Squeezebox device can still be maintained on your system and local music can be carried in other ways. Sounds great. I look forward seeing the progress you have made. Good luck and thanks again for the investment you've all made. Steve Corelli45's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55246 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
erland wrote: Smart playlists/mixes is definitely something we want to support, especially since it's functionality which is more or less missing from most other hardware players except for the Squeezebox. I'm not sure we want to rely on MusicIP, since that product unfortunately is no longer maintained, but the API's we provide to third party developers would definitely make it possible for a third party developer to do an integration with MusicIP similar to SpiceFly Sugarcube. For people who are happy to run LMS it might even just be an adjustment of the current Spicefly Sugarcube plugin. Please make sure that we can use our trackstat ratings or at least export them, so that we not have to rate everything again. It is essential.. to make smart playlists callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Will you eventually set-up your own webspace and forum faq, dowloads etc on http://www.ickstream.com/ now it's just an announcement . I figure you cant leach of logitechs forum space forever , maybe if ickStream directly or indirectly enhances their products Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 2)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98200 Question: What should we call this new device? - Open Music Box - Melodia - Phoenix - Harmonic - None of the above I seemed to have killed this thread. Were my suggestions THAT bad? jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Mnyb wrote: Will you eventually set-up your own webspace and forum faq, dowloads etc on http://www.ickstream.com/ now it's just an announcement . We already have, but it's only accessible to the beta group at the moment. However, having said that, we really love this community and want it to exist also in the future, so we would like to avoid a situation where the community is scattered on multiple sites. I think it would be preferred to have a bigger community shared among all the different Squeezebox related projects. There are some non ickStream related activities going on in this direction at the moment but I can't say anything more about it yet. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
callesoroe wrote: Please make sure that we can use our trackstat ratings or at least export them, so that we not have to rate everything again. It is essential.. to make smart playlists Don't worry, I'm in the same situation as you are and I plan to provide a solution for this. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 2)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98200 Question: What should we call this new device? - Open Music Box - Melodia - Phoenix - Harmonic - None of the above jimzak wrote: I seemed to have killed this thread. Were my suggestions THAT bad? No, I think everyone's just got naming fatigue. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Hi, For me this initiative is very good news! The architecture for the setup looks good, an I am very confident with the fact that it is based on a commercial business model, because it might give possibilities to obtain a stronger economical market penetration through payed services. I am looking forward to have a single point for the delivery of all the for me required services, to support my many squeezeboxes and besides ability to open-up for other streaming devices. Keep on - and let us hear when we can sign up with payable accounts. /Kim K Kim Kruse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4978 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Kim Kruse wrote: I am very confident with the fact that it is based on a commercial business model, because it might give possibilities to obtain a stronger economical market penetration through payed services. Actually, that is the one part that gives me doubts. I believe the project would be more viable if it was open source (it could still be commercial, just as mysql, red hat etc.). Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Julf wrote: I believe the project would be more viable if it was open source (it could still be commercial, just as mysql, red hat etc.). Parts of it will be open source, we just can't be more open at this stage due to the reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98467-Pre-Announcement-ickStreamp=743640viewfull=1#post743640 The people in the beta group get access to parts of the code already today. As a third party developer for Squeezebox, I would definitely have preferred documented API's and closed source software over the current situation with open source software and no documented API's. However, open source license makes sense for parts where you feel that community developers could help. Releasing everything as open source doesn't work because many streaming services doesn't allow you to expose their API to the public. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Maybe i don't get it, but where is the difference to Logitech/Mysqueezebox.com when you're talking about payed cloud service? When the income will not cover the costs someday, someone will have to make a decision and close the cloud service as logitech did with the squeezeboxes. So where is the advantage for us consumers? Just another name, but with the same end? Why not build a plattform for everyones own cloud at home? mule's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30049 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
You can do that with ickStream, if you like. But what is your cloud at home? Most people don't want to have a server running 24/7 and I, for myself, enjoy having access to music I don't yet know. This will not go away. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
pippin wrote: You can do that with ickStream, if you like. But what is your cloud at home? Most people don't want to have a server running 24/7 and I, for myself, enjoy having access to music I don't yet know. This will not go away, people will use online services for a lot of their music listening, probably most of it. I agree. I certainly like using music services (spotify, etc.) and internet radio. But I also want to be able to access my own music library (from my home server) even if I have no internet service at a particular point in time. That is the UE Radio approach that I disliked the most was the fact that one needed internet access to even access one's own files on one's own server. But I assume the ickStream approach wouldn't mandate an internet connection to support one's own files. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
It's a funny discussion with different points of views on both sides of the Atlantic, btw. Whenever I talk to people in Europe they don't believe in cloud services and that people will always prefer their own stuff. Some hardware makers here even still want to include CD drives and FM receivers, even for new projects. When I talk to people from the US it always sounds like owning music is already a thing of the past, nobody does that und it's completely irrelevant for anything new, you only need to support online streaming, nothing else. I believe in none of these scenarios. Owning and collecting music is here to stay, the limitations of online streaming are far too severe. I'm a Spotify user for 4 years or so now and around 1/3rd of my collected catalog is no longer available. And that's in addition to the 50% of my physical collection they never had. But I also don't believe that the model of copying your music onto your iPod and carrying it around all the time will persist, plus for occasional listening, music discovery and actual distribution I do believe it will move completely online. It's just that you will then want to keep what you really care about. So we need to support both and bridge the two worlds to make all of this accessible and bring you back to a point, where you just focus on listening to music, whoever it comes from. That's our idea behind ickStream. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
pippin wrote: It's a funny discussion with different points of views on both sides of the Atlantic, btw. Whenever I talk to people in Europe they don't believe in cloud services and that people will always prefer their own stuff. Some hardware makers here even still want to include CD drives and FM receivers, even for new projects. When I talk to people from the US it always sounds like owning music is already a thing of the past, nobody does that und it's completely irrelevant for anything new, you only need to support online streaming, nothing else. I believe in none of these scenarios. Owning and collecting music is here to stay, the limitations of online streaming are far too severe. I'm a Spotify user for 4 years or so now and around 1/3rd of my collected catalog is no longer available. And that's in addition to the 50% of my physical collection they never had. But I also don't believe that the model of copying your music onto your iPod and carrying it around all the time will persist, plus for occasional listening, music discovery and actual distribution I do believe it will move completely online. It's just that you will then want to keep what you really care about. So we need to support both and bridge the two worlds to make all of this accessible and bring you back to a point, where you just focus on listening to music, whoever it comes from. That's our idea behind ickStream. Perfect. I agree with all the above! garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
I'm reluctant to pass comment on any of this, since we have no real idea what ickStream actually is or does. However, maybe I'm a bit of a Luddite as I really don't like all this 'cloudy' thing ... so I guess I'll have to wait with baited breath to see just what this development offers. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
pippin wrote: You can do that with ickStream, if you like. But what is your cloud at home? Most people don't want to have a server running 24/7 and I, for myself, enjoy having access to music I don't yet know. This will not go away, people will use online services for a lot of their music listening, probably most of it. Maybe i really don't get it, but your business model depends on your cloud services, right? Why should you then give one the oppertunity to build up a totally independent plattform from your cloud services? This makes no sense, because it would decrease your income and therefore endanger the operation of your cloud services. So what does you can do that with ickStream really mean: That some services depend (as with my squeezebox.com) to your cloud services, even if the main core is installed on ones private cloud? Then we're once again at the beginning of the story: mysqueezebox.com but with another name. Regarding private cloud server 24/7: When talking about a private cloud using the word server is already a mistake, because common people think of servers that they are loud as jets, costs hundreds of dollars per year for power consumption, are big as skyscrapers, are worse for healthy reasons and so on... But we know that this is totally wrong nowadays: You can build up small systems with low power consumption which has so much horsepower that they can do much more than just handle your music library and some music services. The only thing that is missing is that someone builds up a a ready to go hard- and software platform which can be handled by consumers. I never understood why logitech tried to implement the LMS into the touch. Why not build up some small ready to go nano server (sorry: private cloud system)? mule's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30049 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
castalla wrote: However, maybe I'm a bit of a Luddite as I really don't like all this 'cloudy' thing ... I think it won't be possible to do without a 'cloud' part. pippin, erland co want to build a software stack, that is able to run on different hardware from different vendors. Now when one Music Service changes it's API (or adds a cool new feature) if you don't do it with a 'cloud' approach, you'd have to distribute the update to anyone using your software stack. This is actually not possible - you see it with Android how difficult it is there to get the latest version of the software out to all devices. So the only solution for this is to wrap all music services in your own cloud offer, to accomodate for all changes that might be happening on the music service side. It's also by the way the only way to get reasonable negotiation powers with music service providers: you need to have current stats about your userbase (even if the userbase might disagree here :) ) But yes: if you don't make enough money with it, you close down the service - and users might be left with players that only play local music if noone else steps in. But: as far as I understood the platform is so open, that someone could still be writing an ownCloud server. This is the same as with LMS today: if MySB.com closed down, someone could upgrade LMS with a plugin that directly communicates with a music services (like Triodes Spotify plugin). I think this is the closest thing to 'acceptable' one can ever get. Sonos users have bigger problems, when Sonos shuts down, compared to Squeezebox owners in this regard. Also - if it works out as expected you have a certain 'multiple' vendor lock-in. They cannot let the service down without getting into big trouble themselves. Might be also the biggest risk for them to start being dependend on the ickstream platform at all, but this is a completely different topic. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 2)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98200 Question: What should we call this new device? - Open Music Box - Melodia - Phoenix - Harmonic - None of the above jimzak wrote: I seemed to have killed this thread. Were my suggestions THAT bad? Everyone's suggestions are equally bad. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
mule wrote: Maybe i really don't get it, but your business model depends on your cloud services, right? I can't really comment on the business model but this is not essentially a paid-for cloud service, if that was your impression. Why should you then give one the oppertunity to build up a totally independent plattform from your cloud services? Because there will always be things we can't do, either for licensing reasons or because you simply can't do everything alone. A working ecosystem needs diversity and variety, everything else will just fail. If we want this to succeed, we will need that, too. Even Apple gave up on closing down the iPhone (remember: that was their original plan) after only a few months. So what does you can do that with ickStream really mean: That some services depend (as with my squeezebox.com) on your cloud services, even if the main core is installed on ones private cloud? Again: I still don't understand what your private cloud is. A private cloud to me is an oxymoron. You will be able to stream to an ickStream device without contact to our service and you will be able to stream whatever you want for that if you are using our API which will be open at least for non-commercial use and available for commercial use. However, I'm pretty convinced people will _want_ to use our backend where it's appropriate because there are a lot of use cases for which it makes a lot of sense and adds value. The only thing that is missing is that someone builds up a a ready to go hard- and software platform which can be handled by consumers. Plenty of those around. But it's a fact of life that a lot of people build even complex setups to save the 3W of power their Squeezebox uses when leaving home for a few hours and don't want to run something like that. Also, it's more than just knowing how to operate your server, you also have to organize your music, probably in several libraries and on several devices. No. The majority of users will want to stream from their laptop when using local music, I'm pretty sure about that. Which doesn't mean that supporting servers/NAS isn't important, too. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Date Time screensaver scrolling?
TheShanMan wrote: One thing I noticed is that on first glance it appeared to not work at all on a slimp3 but on closer inspection it only moves between center and left. When moving right, it gets stuck in the center position for the entire time it -should- be on the right half of the screen. That would probably be my first order of business if I start looking at the source code. Sorry to hear that. For years I monitored eBay and Craigslist in hopes of scoring a Slimp3 -- it, the Transporter(s), and the original, non-bitmapped Squeezebox (and the new UE-branded SB Radio) are the only Squeezebox/Slim devices I have never owned. So I have no idea how well my stuff works on those (I never even bothered to test much with SoftSqueeze's Transporter emulation.) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98470 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 2)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98200 Question: What should we call this new device? - Open Music Box - Melodia - Phoenix - Harmonic - None of the above autopilot wrote: Everyone's suggestions are equally bad. Agreed. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98200 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
castalla wrote: However, maybe I'm a bit of a Luddite as I really don't like all this 'cloudy' thing I believe people around here is afraid of the cloud because they have seen mysqueezebox.com and know what happens when it goes down. There are two scenarios: 1. You want to listen to local music 2. You want to listen to online streaming services People understand that scenario 2 isn't possible without a reliable internet connection but they want to be able to accomplish scenario 1 without a reliable internet connection. If they loose the internet completely, most will accept that you don't get full functionality in scenario 1, but it's important that you at least are able to listen to your local music. As an example, if they can't share the local music they are listening to instantly on Facebook while the internet is down they will generally accept it. Logitech Squeezebox solved scenario 1 pretty nicely through LMS and so does Sonos (who only relies on a network mounted drive with local music). With UE Smart Radio Logitech showed how you can make a system extremely dependent on internet both for scenario 1 and 2. It's obviously a bad idea to do this, but they had to do something quick and they didn't have the time to do the necessary adjustments to their architecture, so the UE Smart Radio architecture is what we got. Now, people who have sniffed the network or looked in the server log files from LMS with network debugging enabled knows how much traffic there is continuously between the player and server when using the system. What Logitech did with mysqueezebox.com is essentially to move the server part to the cloud which means that all this network traffic have to be handled by a central server with the result that you are extremely dependent that the central server must be available for scenario 2, so you aren't just dependent on an internet connection you are also extremely dependent also on the cloud server itself. This is what you get with a slim device when you move the server part to the cloud, basically a system which is extremely dependent on a cloud server being up. As long as you can keep the cloud server up, it's not a problem, but let's just say that it's a lot easier to operate a cloud server which responds to 2 messages per minute from each device compared to one that have to respond to 200 messages per minute from each device. I'm not sure about the exact numbers here but generally a solution with slim devices requires a lot more network traffic than a solution with thick/rich devices. I'm not going to go into any details how we have solved it but let's just say that we have learned a bit from Logitech's mistakes and we don't plan to repeat them, the market looks different today than it did 10 years ago when the Squeezebox architecture was designed, due to this our system is not a clone of the current Squeezebox architecture. Regarding having cloud server at all, it's needed for two reasons: 1. People wants a modern system which easily can be updated with new features, as bluegaspode mentions this is very hard to accomplish through software installed on the local network or by updating the firmware of the devices. Firmware updates is fairly easy to handle as long as we are talking about a single hardware vendor (look at Sonos or Apple) but it's a lot bigger challenge when involving multiple hardware vendors (look at Android as an example). Having the part of the logic that changes often in the cloud helps a lot in the multiple hardware vendor scenario. Making our own hardware would also have been an easy solution to this problem, but we believe it's very hard for a single hardware vendor to fulfill all possible usage scenarios so we decided to go for the multi vendor solution instead and focus on making a software platform. 2. People want easy access to the latest online services, this includes everything from the latest social network services to streaming services. Here open source is an issue, because if you call a premium streaming provider (for example Rhapsody) and ask if you can get access to their API to be used in your open source software they are just going to hang up. If your software is closed source, the first question they are going to ask is how many customers you have, if your answer is that you think you can distribute your closed software to 5000 people who are willing to install it on a local computer, the next question they are going to ask is if you have some stats that shows that these 5000 people actually use your software. Try to answer those questions without some kind of cloud server, then realize that the minimum volumes you are going to have to show them to make them even interested to talk to you have to be significant higher than 5000 users, which also means that you have to be able reach people who aren't happy to install custom software on a computer. Independent if we like it or not, a cloud server solves many of these problems because
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
erland wrote: Now, people who have sniffed the network or looked in the server log files from LMS with network debugging enabled knows how much traffic there is continuously between the player and server when using the system. What Logitech did with mysqueezebox.com is essentially to move the server part to the cloud which means that all this network traffic have to be handled by a central server with the result that you are extremely dependent that the central server must be available for scenario 2, so you aren't just dependent on an internet connection you are also extremely dependent on the cloud server itself. This is what you get with a slim device when you move the server part to the cloud, basically a system which is extremely dependent on a cloud server being up. Now that's a little confusing if not wrong here. Please define the server part. As long as you're using (and that's what you're talking about wrt. to looking at logs), the server part is not moved to mysb.com. What is there is content aggregation for music services. LMS is reaching out to mysb.com to eg. get the data to build the menus for your favorite music service. But all the player control still happens in LMS. It receives that OPML data and creates SlimBrowse menu for your devices. Yes, you are dependant on mysb.com to use most of the music services. But not because you lose control over your device, but because you lose access to the music service's API. erland wrote: As long as you can keep the cloud server up, it's not a problem, but let's just say that it's a lot easier to operate a cloud server which responds to 2 messages per minute from each device compared to one that have to respond to 200 messages per minute from each device. I'm not sure about the exact numbers here but generally a solution with slim devices requires a lot more network traffic than a solution with thick/rich devices. I don't know where you got those numbers or even that impression. LMS will talk to mysb.com to get information (title, album, artwork) about the next track to be played and (depending on the music service) report successful playback after some time. But while listening (not navigating), there's not much more relevant traffic than this. There is some other information exchange which is mostly irrelevant to the player's operation, like prefs synchroniation (optional). But you won't miss it when mysb.com was to go away. erland wrote: I'm not going to go into any details how we have solved it but let's just say that we have learned a bit from Logitech's mistakes and we don't plan to repeat them, What? You think using perl was a mistake? :-P It'll be interesting to see what you're going to win over mysb.com for the SB user. Unless you modify the player's firmware to move more of the player control to the device instead of the server there's not much room for improvement imho. It's a limitation of this device which we should have fixed long ago. mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Are we comparing what ? Ip3k player directly to mysb.com -whitout any LMS server to intermediate - ? SqueezePlay player directly to mysb.com no server ? Players that can conect to a local server ( LMS for example ) that in turn uses a cloud service(s). Without understanding all tech I think Erland describes my boom using mysb.com exclusively . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Date Time screensaver scrolling?
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Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
mherger wrote: I don't know where you got those numbers or even that impression. LMS will talk to mysb.com to get information (title, album, artwork) about the next track to be played and (depending on the music service) report successful playback after some time. But while listening (not navigating), there's not much more relevant traffic than this. There is some other information exchange which is mostly irrelevant to the player's operation, like prefs synchroniation (optional). But you won't miss it when mysb.com was to go away. Just to be clear, what I was referring to here was people who only use mysqueezebox.com and don't have a LMS installed on a computer their local network. If there is a LMS on the local network the internet traffic is obviously limited. However, as I said, I haven't verified the actual numbers, I was just trying to say that slim devices typically requires more network traffic than devices with more logic on the device itself. Maybe the network traffic and resource usage on mysqueezebox.com is a lot less than I suspected it is. But let's not get into a debate regarding this, I was just trying to explain that a cloud server for content aggregation isn't necessary a bad thing, at least if the protocols and architecture is designed for it. mherger wrote: What? You think using perl was a mistake? :-P No, not at the time it was chosen. mherger wrote: It'll be interesting to see what you're going to win over mysb.com for the SB user. Unless you modify the player's firmware to move more of the player control to the device instead of the server there's not much room for improvement imho. It's a limitation of this device which we should have fixed long ago. I completely agree, more logic have to be moved to the device to improve the situation and this is relatively easy on Touch/Radio where we could do it through third party applets while we would probably have to use LMS or similar server software as gateway/proxy for older Squeezebox hardware. However, previous Squeezebox hardware is not our main priority, it's just something we want to work because we own Squeezeboxes ourselves and if possible we would like to give existing Squeezebox users an option for online music also in the future if Logitech would eventually shutdown mysqueezebox.com. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pre-Announcement: ickStream
Mnyb wrote: Without understanding all tech I think Erland describes my boom using mysb.com exclusively . Correct, that was the comparison I was trying to make. It's not a valid comparison if you look among people in this community who mostly is happy to have LMS installed on a computer/NAS, but there are a lot of Squeezebox users who purely uses online music and mysqueezebox.com, not sure if they are the majority but I suspect they are a significant part. From your own perspective this won't really be relevant, but for the hosting costs, resource usage and reliability of a cloud server it is since they will be the ones mostly using the cloud server. However, as said in my previous post, I don't really want to get into a debate regarding number of messages on the network, I was just trying to explain that devices with more logic in the device typically requires less resources on the server side. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98467 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
