Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
Wombat wrote: > I am also convinced no one really needs more than 16bits for playback > and hearing highs above 20kHz in music is wishfull thinking even for > younger people. > The encrypted ~17/96 MQA compresses worse as if you simply offer a 17/96 > flac without MQA sauce. The only magic is that it forces some non-linear > filter and lousy upsampling on playback in the hardware. > MQA was meant to protect and DRM ordinary music. Bandwith savings in the > days of 4k is no longer a reason. Yes. It's clever. Deviously so. Michael Graves House: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5As Home Office: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5A D2, Berhringer B2092A subwoofer Workshop: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, Alesis ProLinear 820s, JBL subwoofer Back Yard: SB3, Dayton Amp, Definitive Tech AW6500s Front Yard: SB3, SMSL Q5 Amp, Definitive Tech AW5500s SqueezeCenter on FreeNAS Mini with 10 TB email: mgraves mstvp.com blog: http://www.mgraves.org mgraves's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
mgraves wrote: > Actually, I think it is clever in the way that it presents plain vanilla > Red Book 16 bit PCM to existing tech, while encoding all the supposed > magic into the 8 bits from 17-24. It's a kind of steganographic > encoding. > > The data that makes up all the ultrasonic stuff is encoded using lossy > compression. I simply don't think that all that stuff is necessary in > the delivery channel. It makes no difference to my 53 year old auditory > system. I am also convinced no one really needs more than 16bits for playback and hearing highs above 20kHz in music is wishfull thinking even for younger people. The encrypted ~17/96 MQA compresses worse as if you simply offer a 17/96 flac without MQA sauce. The only magic is that it forces some non-linear filter on plaback in the hardware. MQA was meant to protect and DRM ordinary music. Bandwith saving in the days of 4k is no reason. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Two Logitech Transporter SE's (NO KNOB) for sale
Fizbin wrote: > In a strange twist of events I decided to keep my Transporters. (Nobody > contacted me, so no disappointments) Thank you for removing that temptation. :-) owner of the stuff at https://tuxreborn.netlify.com/ (which used to reside at www.tux.org/~peterw/) Note: The best way to reach me is email or PM, as I don't spend much time on the forums. *Free plugins:* AllQuiet Auto Dim/AutoDisplay BlankSaver ContextMenu DenonSerial FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110972 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
Wombat wrote: > At least it is a clever way of encrypting a bit reduced PCM signal and > call it something fantastic new while creating extra incomes on several > steps including licensing of capable MQA hardware. Actually, I think it is clever in the way that it presents plain vanilla Red Book 16 bit PCM to existing tech, while encoding all the supposed magic into the 8 bits from 17-24. It's a kind of steganographic encoding. The data that makes up all the ultrasonic stuff is encoded using lossy compression. I simply don't think that all that stuff is necessary in the delivery channel. It makes no difference to my 53 year old auditory system. Michael Graves House: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5As Home Office: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5A D2, Berhringer B2092A subwoofer Workshop: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, Alesis ProLinear 820s, JBL subwoofer Back Yard: SB3, Dayton Amp, Definitive Tech AW6500s Front Yard: SB3, SMSL Q5 Amp, Definitive Tech AW5500s SqueezeCenter on FreeNAS Mini with 10 TB email: mgraves mstvp.com blog: http://www.mgraves.org mgraves's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
Julf wrote: > Is it? At least it is a clever way of encrypting a bit reduced PCM signal and call it something fantastic new while creating extra incomes on several steps including licensing of capable MQA hardware. Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Growing mass of failing SB3 (Classic)
Thanks very much, guys. I've recently lost the analog output of a beloved Slim Devices-badged SB3 and my soldering skills are not strong, so I might be in touch. (For now I'm OK -- swapped with another room where I use the SB digital out.) Also I have an SB3 that died after a fall. I haven't opened the case but I think it has at least one cracked circuit board, as the RCA jacks wiggle a bit. :-( -Peter owner of the stuff at https://tuxreborn.netlify.com/ (which used to reside at www.tux.org/~peterw/) Note: The best way to reach me is email or PM, as I don't spend much time on the forums. *Free plugins:* AllQuiet Auto Dim/AutoDisplay BlankSaver ContextMenu DenonSerial FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Unable to perform full rescan
Undoubtedly you are correct. But the damaged music files play (with glitches); however, I cannot get the scanner to complete scanning so I can play them. Can you suggest a file scanner so that I can identify the damaged ones from my library of 400k+ files? http://zzzone.net http://have-a-nice-day.org http://www.last.fm/user/zzzoneDOTnet http://somethingsomethingsomething.net SBS 7.9 - i7 nuc - Win 10 64bit 5 Booms, 2 Radio, 3 Touch, 1 Duet, 5 piCorePlayers including 3 touchscreen, 1 Avy 2 controllers, various tablets/phones Apps including iPeng, Squeeze Ctrl etc. 'Library' (http://zzzone.net/photo/2009/music1.jpg): 425,000+ FLAC/MP3 files - 18 TB HD jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110913 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
mgraves wrote: > With respect to MQA, I appreciate that's it's technically very clever. Is it? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
slartibartfast wrote: > A bit like MQA then.[emoji3] I suppose so. I'm not a believer, nor a fan. Although, I have auditioned a Meridien system in a friends home. It was outstanding. Michael Graves House: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5As Home Office: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5A D2, Berhringer B2092A subwoofer Workshop: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, Alesis ProLinear 820s, JBL subwoofer Back Yard: SB3, Dayton Amp, Definitive Tech AW6500s Front Yard: SB3, SMSL Q5 Amp, Definitive Tech AW5500s SqueezeCenter on FreeNAS Mini with 10 TB email: mgraves mstvp.com blog: http://www.mgraves.org mgraves's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
mgraves wrote: > Note that Roon is not on the list of partners. They only want to deal > with companies that will pay their ante and abide by their > non-disclosure agreement.A bit like MQA then.[emoji3] Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
slartibartfast wrote: > You still have to subscribe to the service and pay them 15 dollars or > pounds or euros etc per month. It would be in Amazon's interests to > attract more users. It might upset their official partners though. > Note that Roon is not on the list of partners. They only want to deal with companies that will pay their ante and abide by their non-disclosure agreement. Michael Graves House: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5As Home Office: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5A D2, Berhringer B2092A subwoofer Workshop: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, Alesis ProLinear 820s, JBL subwoofer Back Yard: SB3, Dayton Amp, Definitive Tech AW6500s Front Yard: SB3, SMSL Q5 Amp, Definitive Tech AW5500s SqueezeCenter on FreeNAS Mini with 10 TB email: mgraves mstvp.com blog: http://www.mgraves.org mgraves's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
pablolie wrote: > Exactly. > > Plus Amazon is brutal about maximizing every $ out of everything they > do. You can bet being a partner doesn't come for free. And the SB > ecosystem is a free, non revenue ecosystem. The twain shall never meet, > as they say. You still have to subscribe to the service and pay them 15 dollars or pounds or euros etc per month. It would be in Amazon's interests to attract more users. It might upset their official partners though. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
mgraves wrote: > ... If they opened the API to everyone they would need to provide > support to a much larger and less defined developer community Exactly. Plus Amazon is brutal about maximizing every $ out of everything they do. You can bet being a partner doesn't come for free. And the SB ecosystem is a free, non revenue ecosystem. The twain shall never meet, as they say. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 14 Pro) running Ubuntu 18.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: Amazon Music rolls out a lossless streaming tier that Spotify and Apple can�t match
left channel wrote: > Amazon has partnered with Bluesound and others on this, so they must be > sharing an API with them. But they don't yet seem willing to share > outside that limited circle of hardware partners. Often limiting access to official partners is a way to manage their support burden. If they opened the API to everyone they would need to provide support to a much larger and less defined developer community. That would quite possibly expose issues in the API or service. Michael Graves House: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5As Home Office: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, M-Audio BX5A D2, Berhringer B2092A subwoofer Workshop: RPi3 + HifiBerry Pro XLR, Alesis ProLinear 820s, JBL subwoofer Back Yard: SB3, Dayton Amp, Definitive Tech AW6500s Front Yard: SB3, SMSL Q5 Amp, Definitive Tech AW5500s SqueezeCenter on FreeNAS Mini with 10 TB email: mgraves mstvp.com blog: http://www.mgraves.org mgraves's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110981 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Amazon Prime Music!
Nothing happened during the last 3 years... ...so we all better dream on. ;) Guess what. That Amazon message got me also triggered to look up what's going on in the (RPI) bluetooth arena. Because bluetooth or (sh)airplay might still be a viable option. For now I concentrate on BT. The are some good news. There's now Sony LDAC support inside the Linux bluetoothstack. Properly implemented that'd allow for 24/96. Lossless/HD Audio seems possible. My Samsung G8 would also support LDAC. However. "Properly implemented" - that's the key. The whole RPI BT stack is still chaos territory. It took me already 1 day to get an idea what's going on and to get my phone paired. That's kind of exhausting. I'll keep digging for a while. The other deal-breaker could be the concurrent Wifi/BT operation issue. Perhaps that'll be gone on the PI4. :::' my audioblog - latest series: RaspBerry PI - \"The Audio Engine\" ' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com)::: soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Some Rasberry Pi / LMS questions for a complete beginner.
paul- wrote: > There are several wifi drivers that have lost support as the kernel > advances. I'm not sure if the canakit is one of them. Looking at the > WIFI diagnostics and the dmesg output on the main diagnostics page, > might lend to some reasons as to what is going on. Since you have a > RPI3, you might try the internal wifi, the RPI drivers and firmware have > been improved over the recent past. Thanks, Paul. Actually, I think I must have a Rasberry Pi2. And so I tried an older version of PicorePlayer and everything works fine. ghulse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13636 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110533 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Growing mass of failing SB3 (Classic)
Thumbs up, Philippe! Thank you for adding to the support PN me if your Boom / Classic / Transporter display has issues! Blog: https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?rinli=1=1=5053304027701850753#allposts JoeMuc2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Growing mass of failing SB3 (Classic)
Just add to Joes post, I can help for people in NAM (Canada). Its not professional repair, just to help people that love their SBs but that cant benefit from Joes service, so please dont overload me :) LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Amazon Prime Music!
Amazon have just launched Amazon Unlimited with Hi Res playback. Would be really tempting if someone could make a plugin or app that works as well as the Tidal one on MySqueezebox.com - Amazon being such a big player will probably kill off the likes of Tidal and Quobuz as they won't be able to compete. jemhayward's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101706 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Growing mass of failing SB3 (Classic)
Hi all, as there is no specific forum for the Squeezebox Classic (SB3) or its predecessors for whatever reason, I'll discuss matters here. During the last weeks, I received more e-mails than ever about failing or failed SB3 models. It's like a lot of them fail simultaneously, however, not all for the same reasons. If your SB3 has issues, please check out this blog post: https://joes-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2018/11/logitech-slimdevices-squeezebox-classic.html It's still a work in progress but a lot of troubleshooting information can be found in there. In my recent experience, the power supply is failure reason #1. Which is good because owners can replace the PSU themselves and see if this fixes the issue(s). Just be careful to use one that has +5V/2A rating and a connector that fits the SB3 power supply jack properly. Failure reason #2 is more complicated to fix, it's the SMD capacitors, mainly the ones surrounding the DAC, and also in the power supply section on the opposite side of the board. This requires removing the old capacitors (Mr. Carlson's Lab has a good method, looks brutal but works best: https://youtu.be/X8N9O3a9jiM), and soldering in new ones which is tricky due to space limitations and very limited access to the soldering pads once the capacitor is where it belongs. This can't be done with cheap equipment and requires some exercise, too. I am located in *Germany* so EU-wide service is possible at reasonable shipping rates. Anything beyond EU limits is probably beyond reason regarding the shipping cost. HOWEVER: there's failure reason #3 - what I used to call -sudden death syndrome- (also described in the blog post referenced above) - and it's recently happened to me during a repair, so I need to announce that the SB3s you send to me might be beyond recovery, even though they were intact when you sent them off. This is a Damocles Sword that I can no longer account for. There is no help from Logitech about this so, to my knowledge, nobody knows what is wrong with these units and how to prevent it from happening, or how to repair the ones affected. When I receive a unit that is still capable of booting, and it dies during my repair, I'm of course responsible for restoring or replacing it. This means I will lose between 60 and 80 EUR, depending on what used working units cost nowadays, and it will leave me with a pile of garbage. As much as I love repairing these things and keeping them going, this is an investment that I cannot afford. Probably none of you will readily accept to pay this amount on top of the normal repair either. So this is just to clarify that my repair capabilities are limited, and dying SB3s are currently nothing but bad luck with nothing we can do about it. It's of course still covered by the "no fix, no fee" model, i.e. there will not be any charge for any repair work done already, and besides the return shipping there won't be any more cost for you if you want the item back. Thanks guys! Hope we can keep the Squeezebox world going, despite all obstacles! Cheers, Joe PN me if your Boom / Classic / Transporter display has issues! Blog: https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?rinli=1=1=5053304027701850753#allposts JoeMuc2009's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110985 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New book by Neil Young on Pono history and his "Mission to Save High-Quality Audio"
left channel wrote: > "Earth will be changed forever when Amazon introduces high quality > streaming to the masses, said rock icon Neil Young. This will be the > biggest thing to happen in music since the introduction of digital audio > 40 years ago." > https://press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/amazon-music-introduces-highest-quality-audio-streaming-amazon "Did you feel Earth changing, dear?" "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110957 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
