Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-06 Thread dean blackketter

On Jan 5, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Peter wrote:
 How does the controller communicate with the SBR when the network
 connection is not yet up? Over wifi or infrared?
Over the wireless.   When the Squeezebox Receiver is first powered up  
(or after pressing and holding the button on the front to put it into  
setup mode), it starts listening over wireless for a setup message  
from a Squeezebox Controller.

 Will this new setup method be 'ported' to the old SB3?
We do plan on adding this to a future release of the Squeezebox3 and  
Transporter firmware, but as Mike said, it's fairly low priority  
since you can easily set up those units using the VFD display and  
remote.


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[slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread smcint

See the news on gizmodo

http://gizmodo.com/341045/logitech-makes-grab-at-sonos-audience-with-squeezebox-duet

Edit: I want one.. but how does it sounds? Is the DAC etc. the same as
the SB3?


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread vrobin

I think it's a SB3 without the VFD so it should be the same dac (if
logitech didn't decide to cut off price in this field, but i don't
think so).

I wonder if it will be available at CES, i'll be glad to get back with
one in my suitcase :)


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread amcluesent

the new Squeezebox looks quite plain

The illustration looks more like a CAD rendering.


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Bill Burns
smcint wrote:
 See the news on gizmodo
 
 http://gizmodo.com/341045/logitech-makes-grab-at-sonos-audience-with-squeezebox-duet
 
 Edit: I want one.. but how does it sounds? Is the DAC etc. the same as
 the SB3?

Will the hand controller run existing Squeezeboxes?  And if so, will it 
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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Marc Sherman
mkozlows wrote:
 
 I dunno.  Maybe if I decide to build a good bedside headphone system
 it'd be useful, but otherwise it's actually less useful than an SB2/3. 
 I wonder if Logitech is going to keep the current model around?

I suspect that the fact that they're calling it Duet and not 4 is 
pretty telling about their plans in that regard.

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Nostromo

I believe so, yes.


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Richie

There are a few more pictures here:

http://www.softwareheadlines.com/modules/planet/view.article.php/248311


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread mkozlows

So, it's just like my SB2, except that I can't look at the screen to see
what's playing and can't use the regular universal remote with it?  

I dunno.  Maybe if I decide to build a good bedside headphone system
it'd be useful, but otherwise it's actually less useful than an SB2/3. 
I wonder if Logitech is going to keep the current model around?


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Nostromo

 Logitech® Squeezebox#8482; Duet Network Music Player
 Listen to the music you love in any room in your home
 *Shipping: January 2008*
 Price: $399.99 (Controller and Receiver)1 Available at:
 www.logitech.com

Mmmm, some people here seem to think that the Jive remote isn't ready
for prime time yet.

And maybe its just the picture, but the new Squeezebox looks quite
plain.


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Michael Herger
 Will the hand controller run existing Squeezeboxes?

The Controller will control any player connected to SqueezeCenter, be it  
hard- or software.

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread SuperQ

Bill Burns;254650 Wrote: 
 Will the hand controller run existing Squeezeboxes?  And if so, will it
 
 be available separately?

Yes, I have been beta testing it for a while now.  The remote should
work with all squeezeboxes back to the slimp3 afaik.  Although I only
have SB2 and newer to test myself.

Don't know if it will be sold as standalone or not.


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Pat Farrell
amcluesent wrote:
 The illustration looks more like a CAD rendering.

There are lots of photos of the controller on the Jive forum.

Making a SB without a display is not much of a challenge.


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Pat Farrell
 Mmmm, some people here seem to think that the Jive remote isn't ready
 for prime time yet.

Apple has shown that software can be tweaked and improved after release.

This is the beauty of the whole Squeeze world, open source server. The 
Jive remote's code is open source, written in Lua

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread bonze

Richie;254641 Wrote: 
 There are a few more pictures here:
 
 http://www.softwareheadlines.com/modules/planet/view.article.php/248311and 
 here:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/zoom.php?dir=2008/1/logitech-squeezebox-duet/


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread PSSO

Michael Herger;254670 Wrote: 
  Will the hand controller run existing Squeezeboxes?
 
 The Controller will control any player connected to SqueezeCenter, be
 it  
 hard- or software.
 
 Michael
Can the remote be bought separately? (already have the Transporter)


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread mrfantasy

I'd guess controllers separately are going to be $150-$200 if they sell
them.

Love to know if the Duet station is just an SB3 without the display and
a new case.  Is that a bona fide power switch on the front? 
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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread marlowe

According to this site
http://www.hifi.nl/nieuws/39269/Logitech_Squeezebox_Duet_Network_System.html


The Logitech Squeezebox duet network music system are according to the
expectations in the middle of January available for a shop recommended
retail price of 399.99 euro. Additional recipients are available for a
shop recommended retail price of 149.99 euro. Loose controller are as
from January available for the shop recommended retail price of 299.99
euro. (Translation from Dutch by Bablefish)

I think the controller is a bit expensive... At 149 I probably wouldn't
hessitate for long (got the Transporter). I will at twice the price.


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread bigfool1956

The controller on its own is flipping expensive. 

The duet deal seems a much better bet, assuming you want another SB.


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Nostromo

The DAC in the Duet/Squeezebox Receiver differs from the SB2/3.

From the product page:

 High fidelity Wolfson® 24-bit DAC


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread dean blackketter
As you surmised, the Squeezebox Controller (the remote formerly known as
Jive) will list for $299US, and the Squeezebox Receiver (formerly known as
Ray) will be $149.

The bundle of the two is called Squeezebox Duet and will list for $399US.
For the time being, you'll need to have at least one Controller to set up a
Receiver.  That's a limit of the current software.

And as Mike said, this isn't Squeezebox 4, but compliments the classic
Squeezebox.
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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread marlowe

http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_controller.html
http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_duet.html
http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_receiver.html

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread mrfantasy

Basically, for the price of a Sonos remote, you get the whole system. 
Additional audio interfaces are just $150, as opposed to 
$349 for the Sonos part.

$299 for remote is probably fair, but takes it out of the run out and
buy it as soon as it's available category to maybe wait and see for
me.  I guess I can play with Jive on Windows with the SDK, perhaps I'll
start doing that.


I can't speak to how easy a Sonos is to configure (except it just grabs
file shares, so can run against a NAS without additional software) but I
know SqueezeCenter is extremely configurable and usable. 

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Mitch Harding
Anyone know if this is a step up, down, or more of a lateral move?

On Jan 5, 2008 6:22 PM, Nostromo
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 From the product page:

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread mvalera

mrfantasy;254677 Wrote: 
 I'd guess controllers separately are going to be $150-$200 if they sell
 them.
 
 Love to know if the Duet station is just an SB3 without the display and
 a new case.  Is that a bona fide power switch on the front? 
 Interesting.
 
 And Michael Valera, over on AudioCircle, said that the Squeezebox 3
 will remain
 (http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=47279.msg431419#msg431419).

Price on the Squeezebox Controller is $299.99 US. 

The switch on the front is multi function, more for connection reset
and/or factory reset. It also changes colors to reflect it's connection
status. Like the Squeezebox the Squeezebox Receiver it's always on or
in standby. It's never really off.

One note about the SB Receiver, is that it requires the Controller for
network setup. You can't just buy one on it's own. It's for adding
extra rooms.

The Receiver and Controller will be available as an accessory from us
online, and a few select online partners. They will not be a retail
boxed product.

Also I was not lying... the Squeezebox, SB3, is not changing. It will
continue on with NO changes for the foreseeable future.

Mike

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread bigfool1956

Of course the bummer for us QNAP users, and other NASes, is that SS7 is
required.

So I hope suitable upgrade modules will be appearing soon (Progressive
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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Mitch Harding
And I'd like to further ask, in general, what are the significant
audio differences between the new units and the SB3?

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread mvalera

For the price of Sonos cheapest one room setup, you can get a Squeezebox
Duet and two additional Receivers with $50 left over. 

Three rooms v.s. one... I'd say that's fair! ;P

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread doundounba

So... This product looks good!

I do wish they'd make another combo available (at less than the sum of
the individual prices): { SB3 + new controller } for maybe... $500?

At $299, the controller does seem a little expensive compared to, say,
an N800, but I'd probably want one...


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Mitch Harding
From reading the web page, I've noticed the following audio differences...

- As previously mentioned, SB3 Burr-Brown DAC vs Duet Wolfson DAC
- The SB3 claims SNR over 100dB, the Duet claims SNR over 90dB
- The SB3 claims THD less than -93.5dB, the Duet claims THD less than -88dB
- Duet lacks the headphone jack

Are the second two bullets a result of the first one?  And if so, does
this mean that the Duet is a slight step down in audio quality?  I
note that the listed jitter number ( 50ps) is the same for both.

On Jan 5, 2008 7:12 PM, Mitch Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And I'd like to further ask, in general, what are the significant
 audio differences between the new units and the SB3?

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Mitch Harding
No headphone output is listed on the spec page, so I'm guessing there
is not one.

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 Does the SqueezeBox Controller have a working headphone output ?

 What does Digital passthrough to S/PDIF for DTS mean on the
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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Ali-M

Why go with the Wolfson DAC instead of the Burr-Brown?


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread mvalera

erland;254711 Wrote: 
 
 
 What does Digital passthrough to S/PDIF for DTS mean on the
 SqueezeBox Controller ? 
 It says it support this in the product specification on:
 http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_controller.html

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Mitch Harding
The controller page also talks about listening to music without your
PC on.  Will the controller be able to control the receiver on
SqueezeNetwork even without SC running?

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 erland;254711 Wrote:
 
 
  What does Digital passthrough to S/PDIF for DTS mean on the
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  It says it support this in the product specification on:
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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Mitch Harding
Also noticed that the Duet has 32 Mb of RAM, versus 64 Mb on the SB3.
Is this the audio buffer?  If so, does anyone know how this compares
with the SB1?  I remember dropout issues were more common with that,
and people often claimed the larger SB3 buffer alleviated this.  Just
wondering how the Duet buffer compares to the SB1 buffer size.

On Jan 5, 2008 7:28 PM, Mitch Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From reading the web page, I've noticed the following audio differences...

 - As previously mentioned, SB3 Burr-Brown DAC vs Duet Wolfson DAC
 - The SB3 claims SNR over 100dB, the Duet claims SNR over 90dB
 - The SB3 claims THD less than -93.5dB, the Duet claims THD less than -88dB
 - Duet lacks the headphone jack

 Are the second two bullets a result of the first one?  And if so, does
 this mean that the Duet is a slight step down in audio quality?  I
 note that the listed jitter number ( 50ps) is the same for both.


 On Jan 5, 2008 7:12 PM, Mitch Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  And I'd like to further ask, in general, what are the significant
  audio differences between the new units and the SB3?
 
  On Jan 5, 2008 7:03 PM, Ali-M
 
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   Why go with the Wolfson DAC instead of the Burr-Brown?
  
  
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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread erland

Does the SqueezeBox Controller have a working headphone output ?

What does Digital passthrough to S/PDIF for DTS mean on the
SqueezeBox Controller ? 
It says it support this in the product specification on:
http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_controller.html


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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Peter
mvalera wrote:
 For the price of Sonos cheapest one room setup, you can get a Squeezebox
 Duet and two additional Receivers with $50 left over. 

 Three rooms v.s. one... I'd say that's fair! ;P
   

Yeah, that's a nice option. But then after that first buy you'd end up 
wanting two extra controllers...
I suppose that's what you're all counting on ;)

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Peter
smcint wrote:
 See the news on gizmodo

 http://gizmodo.com/341045/logitech-makes-grab-at-sonos-audience-with-squeezebox-duet

 Edit: I want one.. but how does it sounds? Is the DAC etc. the same as
 the SB3?
   

Cool, I got one of my wishes/predictions, the 'blind' SB, now I'm still 
waiting for the complement: A separate ethernet controlled display ;)

Regards,
Peter

PS: I told you about the single button on the front!

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread Peter
mvalera wrote:
 One note about the SB Receiver, is that it requires the Controller for
 network setup. You can't just buy one on it's own. It's for adding
 extra rooms.

Hi Michael,

How does the controller communicate with the SBR when the network 
connection is not yet up? Over wifi or infrared?

Will this new setup method be 'ported' to the old SB3?

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Re: [slim] SB4: The 'Duet' is here

2008-01-05 Thread dean blackketter

On Jan 5, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Mitch Harding wrote:
 Also noticed that the Duet has 32 Mb of RAM, versus 64 Mb on the SB3.
The Squeezebox Receiver has 64 megabits (aka 8 megabytes) of SDRAM,  
the same as SB3.

The Squeezebox Controller has 64 megabytes of SDRAM.
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