cliveb wrote:
It staggers me that anyone can contemplate building a new music playback
device that doesn't support gapless. There is so much music out there
which needs gapless support that it should automatically be on the
mandatory features list before you even begin thinking about the
Another +1 re gapless. It was one of several aspects that drew me to the
Touch, even secondhand and with uncertain future.
I read this thread because I still can't believe what a super little
thing SBT is. And why there is very little alternative. Naim Uniti
would be next step, at six times the
Mnyb wrote:
Maybe it is the notoriously hard to get gapless on dlna , that throw of
developers of other platforms to not think about it ?
Well, the founders are from Linn, as are a few others at the company, so
that may well be the case. I must say, it is kind of cool spending time
chatting
Re. Simple Audio:
JimC wrote:
It uses a Windows- or OSX-based application to serve the library to the
boxes. You can control the devices using an iOS-app or the PC/Mac. This
gives the advantage of not having all the complexity inherent in
DLNA/UPnP services, but has the downside of needing
cliveb wrote:
It staggers me that anyone can contemplate building a new music playback
device that doesn't support gapless. There is so much music out there
which needs gapless support that it should automatically be on the
mandatory features list before you even begin thinking about the
cliveb wrote:
Re. Simple Audio:
Avoiding DLNA - good.
Not having a Linux server - bad.
Since I run a Linux box at home to serve my myriad Squeezeboxen, I
agree.
It staggers me that anyone can contemplate building a new music playback
device that doesn't support gapless. There is so
Maybe it is the notoriously hard to get gapless on dlna , that throw of
developers of other platforms to not think about it ?
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Pascal Hibon wrote:
I have been looking too for an SB replacement but havent found one yet.
I even bought a Sonos ZP90 several months ago to try the system. Sonos
lacks a lot of basic functionally that SB had since many years. If your
used the SB system then Sonos is not an option. In the
NeilF wrote:
What did you find lacking on the Sonos?
Well, it has been a while since I used the Sonos system but here is what
I remember from using it for a while:
* There is no visible indication of what the ZP90 is doing. The white
LED on the front of the device is always on (or always off;
garym wrote:
interesting, looks like a higher end sonos. doesn't seem to do deal with
music services. Not sure about serving library eitherassume also
DLNA. All this makes me appreciate my SB setup more and more
It uses a Windows- or OSX-based application to serve the library to the
Has anyone brought up the Nuvo line of wireless players yet? They do
play high-res files and they work with wireless but they require their
own gateway router.
One interesting feature is that if you attach a USB hard drive to any
player, the player will allow that music to be played and perhaps
Just saying, a raspberrypi (3 Watts) running squeezeplug works great if
you don't mind HDMI out. Silent, cheap, low-power - does it all.
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What do folks think about the merits of HDMI against Optical or Coaxial
digital?
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I am thinking about a Pi Plug player directly into my Onkyo via HDMI.
What do folks think about the merits of HDMI against Optical or Coaxial
digital?
I think usb to an async dac is probably better - I believe its only
recent versions of HDMI which have supported the HDMI device
Thanks Triode. Good suggestion. I already have a Behringer UAC202 which
I use for digitising vinyl. That has an passthrough Optical out as well
as Analogue and should work with a Pi as a USB sound card without any
additional drivers I imagine.
I like my main Living Room player (SB3) connected
Well I'm now testing the following:
Asset UPNP, with a highly customized browse tree.
I have a small AsRock ION computer that is steatlthy quiet running
headless with J River as the UPNP renderer-WASAPI Event Style-M2Tech
Hiface
BubbleUPNP on my android phone.
Asset is free for basic
Jeff Flowerday;698316 Wrote:
Well I'm now testing the following:
Asset UPNP, with a highly customized browse tree.
I have a small AsRock ION computer that is steatlthy quiet running
headless with J River as the UPNP renderer-WASAPI Event Style-M2Tech
Hiface
BubbleUPNP on my android
garym;698317 Wrote:
I've followed this development (from just reading the dbpa forum).
Looks like you can also get internet radio, but not necessarily
anything like MOG, pandora, etc. Is this correct?
Also, not clear that I'd be able to do synch to different players.
Correct? But I do
Jeff Flowerday;698322 Wrote:
Your correct on the internet radio. I have a large enough music
collection that I can never get it all listened to, so radio and other
streaming providers are my last concern.
As for gappless, I haven't tried that yet. I'll throw DSOTM on when I
get home
garym;698323 Wrote:
thanks for checking on gapless... and on the synching question? I'm
guessing no synching across multiple players?
I don't think there is syncing, I edited my post above as you posted
this.
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So far the only feature that I used very minimally is current playing
reorganization. I can't see a way to reorder tracks in the current
playing list. You can add and delete which is the important thing, I
guess.
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There is nothing preventing gapless from working on DLNA renderers, it's
just a matter of proper playback design, but most of these are very dumb
devices and not likely to care about gapless.
Sync is not something that is supported by DLNA at all. I suppose
someone could design a protocol
Jeff Flowerday;698322 Wrote:
...gapless needs to be dealt with properly by the UPNP renderer. I
would hope J River would do it properly, but I'll find out tonight.
It's working great with MC17 and Whitebear/SBS. Both the JRiver folks
and AndrewFG have worked hard to make this a reality.
andyg;698340 Wrote:
There is nothing preventing gapless from working on DLNA renderers, it's
just a matter of proper playback design, but most of these are very dumb
devices and not likely to care about gapless.
Isn't it, that the Controller has to observe the renderer to provide
the next
There is support for a Next URL, but yeah both the controller and
renderer need to support it. You can also do it by sending m3u
playlists which the renderer will expand I think.
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andyg;698366 Wrote:
You can also do it by sending m3u playlists which the renderer will
expand I think.
But most renderers don't understand these since they are usually not
supposed to hold a playlist (the controller does that).
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garym;698323 Wrote:
thanks for checking on gapless... and on the synching question? I'm
guessing no synching across multiple players?
Gapless isn't working.
Fortunately there are a couple options for controlling J River directly
via iOS and Android.
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The use case for me that nobody but logitech seems to care about is the
bedroom stereo. When my alarm goes off I don't want to have to pick up
my phone, make sure it's connected to wi-fi and in the right app just
to be able to adjust the volume or skip a track. I've actually been
thinking about
Well, they do make a good bedside mono, though.
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iPeng running on iDevices of your choice are the best alternative to
Squeezebox in my opinion. You can even serve the music and host a
private WiFi ad-hoc hotspot from a tiny mini computer - portable and
mobile if you wish too.
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DaveWr;695954 Wrote:
Good news - but with UPNP DLNA skills - Not Revue 2!
Dave
That is a bit worrying upnp/dlna whatever has that to do with
squeezeboxes :confused:
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You should ignore most of what is in any job posting, as a general rule.
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You should ignore most of what is in any job posting, as a general rule.
:)
Yeah I would not qualify for my own job Today if I go by the adds my
company sets up for new colleagues to me :)
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Jokke;695863 Wrote:
what about onkyo t-4070?
Looks like an overpriced ($ 1,200) streaming box with AirPlay. May as
well get a Transporter or five SB Touch players for that price. ;)
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verypsb;695686 Wrote:
I don't like the fact that development seems non-existent,
Maybe things are changing - they are hiring 2 development engineers
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=695879postcount=27
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bpa;695903 Wrote:
Maybe things are changing - they are hiring 2 development engineers
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=695879postcount=27
Good news - but with UPNP DLNA skills - Not Revue 2!
Dave
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Why on earth would you look for an inferior alternative? Squeezebox is a
one of a kind. It is for this reason you even have to ask such a
question in the first place.
It is also for that reason that I think the future is bright. How could
you think otherwise? Simply because they are not into
amey01;695685 Wrote:
Why on earth would you look for an inferior alternative?
I don't like the fact that development seems non-existent, that the
choice of Squeezeboxmodels is shrinking rapidly.
I think the market wants a Boom II (or a Receiver II / Touch II with
amp), a Receiver II and maybe
Pascal Hibon;695433 Wrote:
Linn is not a multi-room system either. You can't synchronize different
players. So in that sence it can't be an alternative to Squeezebox.
Incorrect, Songcast built into Linn DS boxes allows synchronised
playback.
I own two DSs and 3 Squeezeboxes + a partly dead
verypsb;695686 Wrote:
I don't like the fact that development seems non-existent, that the
choice of Squeezeboxmodels is shrinking rapidly.
I think you're right and the virtually zero presence of Squeezebox on
the UK high street doesn't do much for the confidence of potential
purchasers.
There
If you want sound quality then a good alternative would be a Shuttle
XH61 which is essentially a small form factor PC with zero fan cooling
and the facility to stick in a really quick processor. Then connect
that to a USB DAC.
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what about onkyo t-4070?
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dennis55;695363 Wrote:
i had a serious look at the Linn streaming solution before i purchased
the Transporter.
the major drawback for me was that their DS streamers are ETHERNET
only,plus a very clunky interface.
they originally also had no user access to internet radio...
i'm
garym;694810 Wrote:
interesting, looks like a higher end sonos. doesn't seem to do deal with
music services. Not sure about serving library eitherassume also
DLNA. All this makes me appreciate my SB setup more and more
The integration of powerline technology is neat, Logitech should
your momo;694825 Wrote:
Why from Linn? ...sounds much more Sonos like but in a black flat
package
Very strange claim about 24bits HD audio ...but nothing about sample
rate, might be not more than 48kHz, so not better than a 7 years old
SB3
Amazing how hard it is to find a tempting
i had a serious look at the Linn streaming solution before i purchased
the Transporter.
the major drawback for me was that their DS streamers are ETHERNET
only,plus a very clunky interface.
they originally also had no user access to internet radio...
i'm still happy with my Transporter amd
gfrnd;694721 Wrote:
One possible alternative is the Linn DS system; even their least
expensive equipment is higher than SB but they do function in many ways
that are similar, including hi rez FLAC.
I wouldn't call a Linn system with a price tag of #8364; 2000,- an
alternative to a Touch with
One possible alternative is the Linn DS system; even their least
expensive equipment is higher than SB but they do function in many ways
that are similar, including hi rez FLAC. Given the concerns about SB
longevity I have bought a couple of Linn Boxes and they work great, I
use them in parallel
I'm curious as I've read different things about the Linn approach (and
don't read any subtle, SB approach is better message in my questions.
I'm really just curious (and certainly NOT hoping I have to move from SB
stuff).
1. What do you use as the server (equivalent to LMS). Is it any sort of
As a Linn and SB user:
1) Linn stuff uses UPNP DLNA servers. You can use LMS. I run LMS for
my SBs, but I also have a newer server, which is free called
Minimserver. This provides some better search trees. I also run the
iPAD control software from Linn called Kinsky also free. There are
I'm looking forward to the reviews on the Simaudio solution.
http://www.simaudio.com/pr_180MiND.htm
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As a Linn and SB user:
1) Linn stuff uses UPNP DLNA servers. You can use LMS. I run LMS for
my SBs, but I also have a newer server, which is free called
Minimserver. This provides some better search trees. I also run the
iPAD control software from Linn called
Jeff Flowerday;694773 Wrote:
I'm looking forward to the reviews on the Simaudio solution.
http://www.simaudio.com/pr_180MiND.htm
They state on their site: 'The MOON 180 MiND will be available in April
2012 with an MSRP $1,250.00 USD'
They forgot to say on 1st April at that ridiculous
@garym
There is also this startup, a spin off from Linn:
http://simpleaudio.co.uk/overview
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@garym
There is also this startup, a spin off from Linn:
http://simpleaudio.co.uk/overview
Dave
interesting, looks like a higher end sonos. doesn't seem to do deal
with music services. Not sure about serving library eitherassume
also DLNA. All this makes me
Yes, a little bit more effort on product and then promotion and Squeeze
could easily have had all the Sonos space.
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@garym
There is also this startup, a spin off from Linn:
http://simpleaudio.co.uk/overview
Dave
Why from Linn? ...sounds much more Sonos like but in a black flat
package
Very strange claim about 24bits HD audio ...but nothing about sample
rate, might be not more
Anyone experience with the Onkyo T-4070?
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The X10 will act as a UpnP (Universal Plug Play) Server, devices like
PC's, Phones and Tablets can stream music from the X10. A UPnP client -
and X10 without a hard drive can access an X10 with a hard drive (UPnP
Server) and play music streamed from the Server. This allows music to
be played
Personally I dont really like these all-in-one box solutions. At first
glance, they all look very appealing but the biggest issue with these
things is that one has very little control over the ripping and tagging
process. When it comes to tagging music files you always need to double
check
Pascal Hibon;675197 Wrote:
Personally I dont really like these all-in-one box solutions. At first
glance, they all look very appealing but the biggest issue with these
things is that one has very little control over the ripping and tagging
process. When it comes to tagging music files you
garym;675198 Wrote:
you mean like vortexbox? As the owner and user of two vortexbox
appliances, I agree. Nothing against the automatic vb approach (and I
played with it just to see how it works, etc.). But for my ripping, I
use dbpa to rip to FLAC (I'm particularly fond of ACCURATERIP,
garym;675198 Wrote:
you mean like vortexbox?
I was referring to the boxes such as Cocktail Audio, Olive and the
likes but I guess it would also apply to the Vortexbox. The Vortexbox
is probably a bit more open than solutions like Cocktail Audio and
Olive.
To each his own but I prefer to
This sounds like Logitech needs to get sales up ;-) and have this
business successful.
Than it would be my Christmas wish to Logitech !
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toby10;673022 Wrote:
Does Apple/Airplay have as many third party services as does SB or
Sonos? I'm asking, I don't know. :)
It has more really. The way AirPlay works is that you can stream the
audio bitstream of apps that are running on an iOS device to an AirPlay
output device.
So for
That is just one of the many advantages of Squeezebox; no matter how one
wants to use it, it is supported by the system. Users have the option to
use a computer (PC / laptop) to control the system. But users who don't
want to use a computer (PC / laptop) to control the system have many
options
The discussion is getting hot ;-)
There was quite simple question: what can be used as an alternative to
my duet?
Receiving an offer for Apple TV (second generation) with price tag
below 100 Euro (Touch costs still 250+) I see it would be hard to keep
the battle
Again, I am happy with my
As a result of my quest for an alternative system to Squeezebox I'm
going to buy a Touch. The store where I usually buy these thing have
them for 239 Euro. They are currently sold out though. I guess this is
due to the holiday season.
I sold one of my SB3's when I bought the Sonos ZP90. But now
AndreE;674669 Wrote:
T.
if mysb.com will be off will my whole system be able to listen radio?
As Pascal suggests, yes. But in a very limited capacity. You would
loose all Apps and services hosted by MySB, along with all internet
based stream navigation.
The only thing that
I would agree with most arguments listed above.
One observation raises some questions on my side. Ive just recently
visited Hi-Fi shop next to me to have a look on local offering and
prices (thinking to upgrade my already aging home cinema) and what Ive
seen was a bit surprising. Majority of
It will be hard to find such a inexpensive, flexible hardware and
software solution to just streaming music.
The inexpensive part really fits with the Logitech image in my mind.
The flexibility fits with Slim Devices image.
Anyone that is having consistent problems likely has a software or
Part of the problem Logitech have is that the hardware is almost too
good, my old SB3's do everything I want from them. I just bought a
blemished box tough because of the price but I'll be keeping the SB3 in
storage as I love the VFD displays.
Again with the server software (whatever it is
AndreE;674499 Wrote:
...
Most of you say that server is essential - agree, but we do have it on
each Apple notebook or even Windows one when we install iTune.
When I recall my experience with iTune - it is easy to install (it was
actually one click), no extra configuration. When I
jimzak;674537 Wrote:
...
Anyone that is having consistent problems likely has a software or
hardware kink that can be ironed out. Yes, it's a pain sometimes, but
worth the trouble. My upgrade to 7.6.1 was particularly difficult; at
one point I was sabotaged by a malformed jpeg file.
nicolas75;674561 Wrote:
I recently started to use MonkeySqueeze.
I think the whole point of buying a squeezbox is NOT having to use a
computer to listen to music. If I want to listen to music (using Media
Monky or other library program) on my laptop I can hook it up to my
stereo (by cable or
I have yet to find another inexpensive system that allows me to listen
to my music in the manner I want. That is why I put up with the
complexity, and I would have to answer that, no, as of today there
isn't a good alternative to Squeezebox.
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verypsb;674564 Wrote:
I think the whole point of buying a squeezbox is NOT having to use a
computer to listen to music. If I want to listen to music (using Media
Monky or other library program) on my laptop I can hook it up to my
stereo (by cable or bluetooth)
Unless you are using ONLY
verypsb;674564 Wrote:
I think the whole point of buying a squeezbox is NOT having to use a
computer to listen to music. If I want to listen to music (using Media
Monkey or other library program) on my laptop I can hook it up to my
stereo (by cable or bluetooth)
Since it is widely recognised
garym;674568 Wrote:
And even though I have a computer with my music (running SbS or LMS),
the computer is in a different part of the house and nowhere near the
music listening post.
That's the point I was trying to make. Yes, I do have a PC containing
my music library and running LMS, but I
garym;674575 Wrote:
OK. I agree with these points. (but if you reread your original post, it
sounds like you are saying you DON'T need a computer to use SB players).
;-)
and I don't know about musicmonkey, but some interfaces like foobar2000
also have the ability to use iphone/ipad apps to
Mice are for everybody, SBs are not, they are too complex for most
individuals.
Actually, my first attempt to build a SBS was aimed to learn Linux
playing around during the holidays in 2006. Thanks to SB, I have now a
window$ free home and office!
Also, hi-fi is for some people, video is for
I hear many people (on this forum but also on other discussion forums)
that the big disadvantage of Squeezebox is the requirement to have a
(local) server. I believe that many people are missing the fact that
every streaming system needs a server. But people only complain about
that when looking
gian;674247 Wrote:
Mice are for everybody, SBs are not, they are too complex for most
individuals.
Actually, my first attempt to build a SBS was aimed to learn Linux
playing around during the holidays in 2006. Thanks to SB, I have now a
window$ free home and office!
Also, hi-fi is for
Pascal, Mnyb, gian,
ALL excellent points.
Pascal Hibon;674253 Wrote:
. I believe that many people are missing the fact that every
streaming system needs a server. But people only complain about that
when looking at Squeezebox.
Very true. Even the devices with built in internet
I would like to add that, because it is fitted with a quality DAC, and
you can even add an external one, while somewhat inexpensive, the SB
leaves the door open to a high-end upgrade.
This cannot be an argument for those that are happy to listen to their
plain iPods, which are the vast majority.
erland;672923 Wrote:
Has anyone else found anything except Sonos or Logitech that
realistically already today can be an alternative in a multi room
system ?
Not at anything near the Logitech price point. But if you open the
wallet wider, then Olive and Sooloos come into the picture, and
minor question re apple airplay. Does it support player synch. That is,
does it allow different players to be playing exactly the same thing
(synched) OR to be playing different things (all being fed from same
itunes). Not sure, but just curious.
p.s. your Squeezeboxes and existing software
yes Airplay does it really treat the whole system as a whole, sync or
not for multiple players from the same source and unaltered
soundquality ? was not apples own airports ( or what they called them
) using urgh resampled audio to 16/48 k something.
What does airplay stream ?
I seen airplay in
Time wise the Duet was cancelled after a decent run, as far as
electronic devices go.
SB3 Boom Duet Receiver were all basically based on the same player,
were getting old, replaced by newer players Touch Radio with more
features (like hi-res Spotify).
There have often been only a single
It is very interesting question about Airplay bitrate. Tried to find any
information, but no any exposure to figures
And thanks for sharing optimism I really wish Logitech all the best
with this product line.
After many issues with some version I finally have my music at my hands
and whole
I'm coming late into this discussion, but I think some people have
focused on the correct issues: Slim Devices is now owned by Logitech.
By definition it is a company that will not want to limit it products to
a small niche market. As such, Squeezeboxes need to be more user
friendly in terms of
For me the issue is that I'm not interested in a single player, I'm
interested in a system where I know I will be able to add new devices
in the future without replacing all existing players which I've
purchased recently.
To make sure this is the case, the manufacturer have to make sure
that:
-
BlueWombat;672916 Wrote:
I'm coming late into this discussion, but I think some people have
focused on the correct issues: Slim Devices is now owned by Logitech.
By definition it is a company that will not want to limit it products to
a small niche market. As such, Squeezeboxes need to be
gruntwolla;666991 Wrote:
£279 with no hd up to £429 with a 2000GB sata hd.
more info here if you want
http://www.kjglobal.co.uk/acatalog/Cocktail_Audio_X10.html
Trev
Thanks :)
So they are talking $446 for player only and $686 for player + 2tb HD,
not outrageous. Can it Sync to
toby10;667112 Wrote:
Thanks :)
So they are talking $446 for player only and $686 for player + 2tb HD,
not outrageous. Can it Sync to other players? Nothing in the FAQ
about additional players.
Yea what about hirez, is this thing with HD and fan going to sit in the
hifi rack he he no
Does anyone trust this cocktail product to be around in a year? Two?
It looks like it's just a Korean systems builder of some sort. I
wouldn't consider it an alternative to Squeezebox products.
The most valuable part of the SB family is the server software, and
that still appears to be
g8vju;666731 Wrote:
.
www.cocktailaudio.com
...
And what do they want for this gem? It looks like a mini Olive
system.
g8vju;666731 Wrote:
.
but perhaps with better local disk support than the touch?
...
Now that could be true. Of course a 286 computer running
toby10;666792 Wrote:
And what do they want for this gem? It looks like a mini Olive
system.:)
£279 with no hd up to £429 with a 2000GB sata hd.
more info here if you want
http://www.kjglobal.co.uk/acatalog/Cocktail_Audio_X10.html
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verypsb;664931 Wrote:
Does anybody know a good Squeezebox alternative?
An iOS device - iPhone, new iPod Touch (not 1st or 2nd generation) or
iPad running iPeng or SqueezePad.
Squeezebox Server or Logitech Media Server running on the system of
your choice.
Analog audio from the headphone
Could this product be a possible alternative?
www.cocktailaudio.com
Spec looks good, with similar capabilities, but perhaps with better
local disk support than the touch?
Has anybody any experience with this product?
Kevin
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