kdf Wrote:
Quoting Roy2001 Roy2001.2ahp4n1152132001 (AT) no-mx (DOT)
forums.slimdevices.com:
comsumer equipments which consume as little as 3W when idle.
Define as little as: Does 5W not count as in teh range of as little
as?
Define idle: VFD is a large part of the power draw, so if
kdf Wrote:
Quoting Roy2001 Roy2001.2ahqzb1152134401 (AT) no-mx (DOT)
forums.slimdevices.com:
I am not blaming SB3. Actually I really enjoy it..
streaming music has nothing to do with it. The amplifier is what does
the heavy work when you listen to music. SB3 is simply passing
Very late to this discussion - but the fanless VIA box I bought to run
SlimServer supports Wake on Lan direct from hibernation.
I was concerned about having the PC on all the time - so this works
well - after 45 mins of not being used the server hibernates - and is
back in less than a minute of
I'm glad I'm not the only one concerned with unnecessary power usage.
My SB3 is turned off when not in use -it only takes a few seconds to
connect to the nerwork/slimserver so I don't see much justification in
leaving on when not in use (I have a pefectly good watch and don't need
another
If you really want to share one slimserver among several friends, you
might want to consider using a VPN such as http://openvpn.net/
It works very well at providing security. It also eliminates the
problems of dynamic IP addresses since addresses within the VPN are (or
at least can be) static.
These things all add up. Our homes have many devices idling at about
3-10W - TVs, DVD/video, microwaves, phone chargers left plugged in,
PCs.
Let's say that's 60W per household in idle equipment. The UK has about
25m households (I think). That makes 1.5 gigawatts consumed just in
the UK by
Now I see a little clearer where this is going.
In order to come up with a proper solution, one has to analyze the
whole system and not just one component.
A working slim system consists of one (generally) server, one to many
squeezeboxes, one to many amplifiers or powered speakers or
A server consumes about 70 watts if it's a PC, about 20 watts perhaps
if it's a NAS.
The NAS I ordered today (not for my personal use, though) has 2x800Watt
power supplies (and a processor more powerful than all my home servers
together). I expect it to consume more than 20 watts. OTOH
mecouc Wrote:
These things all add up. Our homes have many devices idling at about
3-10W - TVs, DVD/video, microwaves, phone chargers left plugged in,
PCs.
Let's say that's 60W per household in idle equipment. The UK has about
25m households (I think). That makes 1.5 gigawatts consumed
I think Radish has a point. Standby power is important, because it's
24/7, but for a lot of appliances, it's dwarfed by the power usage when
the unit is on.
Someone mentioned the standby power of a microwave. I can't imagine it
has any standby requirement. I don't have a remote for my microwave.
Michaelwagner Wrote:
Oh, and kuetstef? Ich kann Deutsch lesen.
I thought that your name sounds pretty German ;-). However, not
everybody which lives in the U.S. and has a German name also speaks
German at the end...
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kuetstef
Michaelwagner Wrote:
I think Radish has a point. Standby power is important, because it's
24/7, but for a lot of appliances, it's dwarfed by the power usage when
the unit is on.
Someone mentioned the standby power of a microwave. I can't imagine it
has any standby requirement. I don't
mherger Wrote:
A server consumes about 70 watts if it's a PC, about 20 watts perhaps
if it's a NAS.
The NAS I ordered today (not for my personal use, though) has 2x800Watt
power supplies (and a processor more powerful than all my home servers
together). I expect it to consume more
Umm, yeah, but it probably costs 20X what a Squeezebox costs.
More than this.
I know, the example is extreme. I just wanted to point out that NAS
isn't the role model for an energy efficient, low-noise device. NAS
devices have been noisy, big suckers, long before they entered our homes.
kuetstef Wrote:
I thought that your name sounds pretty German ;-). However, not
everybody which lives in the U.S. and has a German name also speaks
German at the end...
This is true. However, I live in Canada, and my name is very
misleading. I am actually a Hungarian, not a German. But
One of the things we do in my factory is we put the air compressors in
their own room and turned the heat way down there. The heat generated
by the air compressors is enough to keep the room warm and even in the
winter I don't pay for the heat. It's quite warm enough from the air
compressors
Michael Herger wrote:
I've read a test where they measured the older ReadyNAS X6 at about 55
watts and well above 40dBA.
FYI: The next version of the ReadyNAS firmware is in beta and being
community tested. Some of the features in this update will address
issues of noise and power
Mark Lanctot Wrote:
Guys:
This is silly.
The Squeezebox is not a TV.
It consumes the power of a typical nightlight. A computer on idle
consumes ten times this much or more.
If you can afford a Squeezebox surely you can afford the $5-$10 a year
it takes to power
Quoting Roy2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
comsumer equipments which consume as little as 3W when idle.
Define as little as: Does 5W not count as in teh range of as little as?
Define idle: VFD is a large part of the power draw, so if you have a
clock displayed, it's not realy idle.
-k
kdf Wrote:
Quoting Roy2001 Roy2001.2ahp4n1152132001 (AT) no-mx (DOT)
forums.slimdevices.com:
comsumer equipments which consume as little as 3W when idle.
Define as little as: Does 5W not count as in teh range of as little
as?
Define idle: VFD is a large part of the power draw, so if
Quoting Roy2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I am not blaming SB3. Actually I really enjoy it. It is just the fact
that it is warm no matter you are streaming the music or not.
streaming music has nothing to do with it. The amplifier is what does
the heavy work when you listen to music. SB3 is
The biggest reason it gets modestly warm is becuase of its small size. 5
W to 7.5 W is actually quite a bit of heat. Put that much heat in a
somethign the size of a cell phone and it would burn your skin, but if
it was in a big ol' metal box (like the Audio PA in your system) it
would run cool as
Michaelwagner Wrote:
I don't think this will be the appliance that breaks the Kyoto accord.
The one which is consuming a lot of energy is probably not the SB, it's
the server where the slimserver is running on... Nevertheless if the
industrie is finally able to design TV devices with a
Guys:
This is silly.
The Squeezebox is not a TV.
It consumes the power of a typical nightlight. A computer on idle
consumes ten times this much or more.
If you can afford a Squeezebox surely you can afford the $5-$10 a year
it takes to power it.
And all the Squeezeboxes ever sold probably
Michaelwagner Wrote:
Makes one wonder how much power loss there is in the wall wart, if the
actual usage is above the theoretical maximum of 10W.
Aren't switching power supplies ~90% efficient?
So those switching to linear power supplies, watch out, you're ruining
the planet. ;-)
--
Mark
kuetstef Wrote:
Nevertheless if the industrie is finally able to design TV devices with
a standby consumption off around 1W, also slimdevices should be able to
do that.
Show me a TV which maintains an active wireless network when in standby
and I'll concede the point.
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radish
I think the point here is the move to increasing numbers of devices that consume power when we're not 'using' them. 5 years ago if i wasn't listening to music my hifi power consumption was nil. Now i'm running a P4 pc (seems to run at 70w constant) plus a couple of SB's at 5w each. They're not
Simon Still Wrote:
Now i'm running a P4
pc (seems to run at 70w constant)
Now THAT isn't trivial. And if anyone is running a P4 Prescott, it's
even worse.
So yes, conserving power in the server definitely adds up, but this is
hardly Slim Device's fault.
This is why I'm interested in
kuetstef Wrote:
if the industrie is finally able to design TV devices with a standby
consumption off around 1W, also slimdevices should be able to do that.
If you read the link I posted about half a page back, no televisions do
this.
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Michaelwagner
I thought the target for TV's on standby was now 1watt. I know squeezebox isn't a huge power consumer but it's still too much - moving from a situation where i have a CD player in each room that consumes nothing when i'm not using it to a squeezebox in each room (say 4? 5? of them) i'm upping my
According to http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-4.html
Most TVs will get to a standby level of a few watts in a matter of
seconds
On this page:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-3.html?tag=lnav
they give actual measurements of 2.5-5.2 watts for CRTs on standby,
13-37 for
Michaelwagner Wrote:
Right. Why did I think you were in England? Must be losing brain cells.
Actually, I now live in Oakville, a suburb of Toronto, but it's still
the same time zone as NJ.
Well I am British, but have been in the US for a couple of years.
I thought the target for TV's on
radish Wrote:
Well I am British, but have been in the US for a couple of years.
Ah, so I'm not entirely altzheimered out yet. Whew!
radish Wrote:
(SB2/wireless) uses 5W constant - regardless of state - unless the
brigtness is at min (zero) in which case it uses 4W.
Like I said ... a
I tested my Squeezebox to use ~3watts in 'standby' mode, and around 11w
while playing music. I tested using a Kill A Watt:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=kill+a+wattbtnG=Google+Search
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Ross L
Ross Levine
Slim Devices Tech Support
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1.650.210.9400 ext. 3
Cool link, thanks. Cool device.
Makes one wonder how much power loss there is in the wall wart, if the
actual usage is above the theoretical maximum of 10W.
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Michaelwagner
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Ross L Wrote:
I tested my Squeezebox to use ~3watts in 'standby' mode, and around 11w
while playing music. I tested using a Kill A Watt:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=kill+a+wattbtnG=Google+Search
That's also what I used. I wonder why we got such different readings? I
saw no
Michaelwagner Wrote:
Radish, what are you doing up at this hour? It must be like 4AM where
you are, no?
I'm in New Jersey - same time zone as you I believe (Toronto, right?).
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radish
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radish Wrote:
Why? (and for that matter, how?)
Global Warming. All attributed to millions of Squeezebox users leaving
their Squeezebox's running 24/7.
How - I am sure that SlimDevices will innovate in this area in due
course. They love a good challenge.
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stevieweevie
On 1-Jul-06, at 12:49 AM, stevieweevie wrote:
How - I am sure that SlimDevices will innovate in this area in due
course. They love a good challenge.
squeezebox v4. hifi PLUS spaceheater with near 97% effiiciency. I'm
up for it
-k
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discuss
stevieweevie Wrote:
Global Warming. All attributed to millions of Squeezebox users leaving
their Squeezebox's running 24/7.
SB is rated at 5A/2V. Let's say it uses 100% of that when idle (which
is crazy). It'd use up less than $10 of electricity in a full year.
Realistically I'd be
A minor nit ...
radish Wrote:
SB is rated at 5A/2V.
I think that's backwards - it should be [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Otherwise correct. 10 watts is just over the power of a nightlight. And
that's a theoretical maximum.
Elsewhere, in another thread, someone from Slim said wired Squeezeboxen
use
Michaelwagner Wrote:
A minor nit ...
I think that's backwards - it should be [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Indeed - my typo. But happily the math works out the same either way :)
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radish
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pretty much. a SqueezeBox never really powers off, 'off' is just a
player state with different settings for the display and brightness
etc. I guess if you set the screen to be completely black it wouldn't
be generating any heat, but the rest of the unit will still be powered.
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funkstar
Mine gets warm as well.
I'd like to see this improved in a later release of the hardware.
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stevieweevie
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