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En/La Lars D. Noodén ha escrit, a 30/05/05 16:27:
| If this bothers you then write your EU representative or that of the EU
| country you have business or project partners in:
| http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep6/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN
Bob Hunter wrote:
Hello,
you are doing great! Keep going. One thing I may
suggest is the following. Get inspired from the
mozilla project, and split the monster into individual
applications. It will be easier to make progress, port
to other platforms (e.g. OSX), and improve their
But the difference between copyright and patents are that patents govern
the *use* or *implementation* of that idea not just dissemination. So
that's why with software being governed by copyright, you can have several
programs that do the same thing. If software becomes governed by patents
On Tue, 31 May 2005 15:38, M. Fioretti wrote:
On Mon, May 30, 2005 20:23:13 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Chris BONDE wrote:
Now the basic concept of rewarding a person for disclosing their
idea to the world instead of keeping it a secret is good (patent).
That
Dave, I sincerely hope you are not a fanboy. Although some of your
defensive/aggressive terminology suggests that might be. :-P
Clearly, Robert is *not* a troll. He *may* be ignorant of some facts (I
don't know), or he may see things differently than you. He might even
have some valid
Some things that still bug me about OpenOffice:
1. The page ZOOM toolbar button needs to be a dropdown selection,
instead of the more cumbersome separate dialog window.
2. The document page should be CENTERED on the screen instead of on the
left edge, which is visually unbalanced.
3. It is
Title: Untitled Document
Thank you Jonathan for you input, however this spreadsheet was
built and saved only in open office. I had no problems opening it
prior to this. My company has mandated we use only open office yet all
of our computers still run on Windows. Are you saying we will
Perhaps someone would like to help Robert convert his problems into bug
reports?
-Sam
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 14:03 +0200, Peter Reaper wrote:
Dave, I sincerely hope you are not a fanboy. Although some of your
defensive/aggressive terminology suggests that might be. :-P
Clearly, Robert is
Peter-
These are good and sincere objections. Perhaps we'd benefit if someone
would assist you in submitting them in an RFE?
-Sam
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 15:19 +0200, Peter Reaper wrote:
Some things that still bug me about OpenOffice:
1. The page ZOOM toolbar button needs to be a dropdown
Peter Reaper wrote:
Some things that still bug me about OpenOffice:
1. The page ZOOM toolbar button needs to be a dropdown selection,
instead of the more cumbersome separate dialog window.
Some things are different but to zoom quickly I just hold the control
key down and scroll the mouse
Robert Horvat wrote:
Hi!
I try to use OOo2.0beta but i have much problems with it:
CALC
1. Cell value A1=1
set format to date and you get 31.12.99
this is WRONG, right is 1.1.
This is one of the options in
Tools Options OOo Calc Calculate.
Change the Date setting and this will
Joseph Roth 15:54 2005-05-31:
1. The page ZOOM toolbar button needs to be a dropdown selection, instead of
the more cumbersome separate dialog window.
Some things are different but to zoom quickly I just hold the control key down
and scroll the mouse button.
Now, that i did not know. Thanks
Just a couple quick comments
Peter Reaper 15:19 2005-05-31:
Some things that still bug me about OpenOffice:
1. The page ZOOM toolbar button needs to be a dropdown selection, instead of
the more cumbersome separate dialog window.
I agree, but havent looked hard for alternative.
Quy can
Joseph Roth on 31.05.2005 15:54 wrote:
Peter Reaper wrote:
Some things that still bug me about OpenOffice:
1. The page ZOOM toolbar button needs to be a dropdown selection,
instead of the more cumbersome separate dialog window.
Some things are different but to zoom quickly I just hold the
Sam Hiser on 31.05.2005 15:41 wrote:
These are good and sincere objections. Perhaps we'd benefit if someone
would assist you in submitting them in an RFE?
I don't need help filing bugs; I've filed dozens for Mozilla already. I
just don't have the time to file more bugs that will likely end
Peter Reaper wrote:
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3. It is too cumbersome to add toolbar buttons that are not in the
standard set. The user should be able to just select a category on
the left (which BTW should mirror the MENU items) and then on the
right have a list of ALL functions in that category which
Robin Laing wrote:
Robert Horvat wrote:
1. Cell value A1=1
set format to date and you get 31.12.99 this is WRONG, right is 1.1.
This is one of the options in
Tools Options OOo Calc Calculate.
Change the Date setting and this will change.
No. The selected date in the options dialog is
Please don't set follow-ups to newsgroups the OP doesn't subscribe to
without giving a reason and without telling the OP *beforehand*. Thanks.
G. Roderick Singleton on 31.05.2005 16:25 wrote:
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 15:19 +0200, Peter Reaper wrote:
Some things that still bug me about
Morgan Olsson on 31.05.2005 16:00 wrote:
Just a couple quick comments
Peter Reaper 15:19 2005-05-31:
Some things that still bug me about OpenOffice:
1. The page ZOOM toolbar button needs to be a dropdown selection, instead of
the more cumbersome separate dialog window.
I agree, but
Joseph Roth on 31.05.2005 17:54 wrote:
Peter Reaper wrote:
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3. It is too cumbersome to add toolbar buttons that are not in the
standard set. The user should be able to just select a category on
the left (which BTW should mirror the MENU items) and then on the
right have a list
Adrian Try wrote:
What is your experience with the Thunderbird?
I am looking for an alternative to the MS Outlook 2002 which I do
not like at all. I am using Windows XP Home.
Regards,
Gregory
Los Angeles
I'm a pim fan. For years I've reluctantly used Outlook in Windows
because of its
Niklas Nebel wrote:
Robin Laing wrote:
Robert Horvat wrote:
1. Cell value A1=1
set format to date and you get 31.12.99 this is WRONG, right is 1.1.
This is one of the options in
Tools Options OOo Calc Calculate.
Change the Date setting and this will change.
No. The selected date
Peter Reaper 18:22 2005-05-31:
To: discuss@openoffice.org
Subject: [discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still Bug Me About OpenOffice
Morgan Olsson on 31.05.2005 16:00 wrote:
Quy can quickly type the command; for me on Swedish version it is
Alt+s,k,b,[Enter] for zoom to page width
That's *more*
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En/La Pam Patton ha escrit, a 31/05/05 15:34:
| Thank you Jonathan for you input, however this spreadsheet was built and
| saved only in open office. I had no problems opening it prior to this.
| My company has mandated we use only open office yet
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Isn't there an option to auto hide, I think it is F4 or F11.
You can't really use the stylist when it is hidden. F11 does show/hide
the stylist, but it is a pain to keep hitting it. What I miss is the
option to roll up the stylist window to the title bar only.
--
Le mardi 31 mai 2005 09:22 -0700, Deric Stowell a crit :
One thing you need to be aware of when switching (if you are going to)
to thunderbird. There is NO FACILITY for export of the email. There is
an IMPORT feature, but NOTHING for exporting.
Last time I looked moz and thunderbird used
--- Joseph Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What a joke the patent office is. I think I'll try for a patent that
covers when some object strikes another object causing signals to be
sent down a wire that produces an object on a screen.
Ha! then I'll own the keyboard! Pay up suckers!!
you
--- Joseph Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if it cost money to apply for patents?
yes, of course
What's frustrating is I've look at a couple of articles regarding this
and the general stance of the patent office is let the courts decide.
Total B.S. its their job to review the
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En/La Deric Stowell ha escrit, a 31/05/05 18:22:
| Adrian Try wrote:
|
| What is your experience with the Thunderbird?
| I am looking for an alternative to the MS Outlook 2002 which I do
| not like at all. I am using Windows XP Home.
| Regards,
|
Peter Reaper wrote:
Joseph Roth on 31.05.2005 17:54 wrote:
Peter Reaper wrote:
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3. It is too cumbersome to add toolbar buttons that are not in the
standard set. The user should be able to just select a category on
the left (which BTW should mirror the MENU items) and then on
--- Eric Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 05/30/05 10:57, you wrote:
Eric Hines wrote:
Actually, the concept of patents and copyrights is a good one
I'd agree about copyrights, but not patents. I think that getting a
monopoly on an IDEA is ridiculous.
Patent monopoly rights are very
--- Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I read this patent and I think it covers every conceivable method of
communication between computers done by applications, connected by any
means. If this patent is enfoceable, Microsoft would own the methods of
communicating on any form of communication
--- Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
M. Fioretti wrote:
Maybe you meant _software_ or _algorithm_ _only_ patents, not all
possible patents in every field, didn't you?
I used the word idea and idea is precisely what I mean. Ideas are
not constrained to software. If I draw a
--- Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel,
All I was pointing out was that MS didn't even do what you suggested.
You said since all ideas are based on relatively small modifications of
old ones and that is true.
They did not invent anything, although there patent would lead you to
--- Jonathan Kaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
observations of many who have commented so far. What I don't understand
is that surely there is published work on XML along with conversions
issues, isn't there? If so, then none of that stuff can be patent
protected. A less is, if you're working on
--- Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, very large particle accelerators are a lot more expensive than
cars and microprocessors and they don't use the restrictive model (some
new fuels are cheaper, others aren't). They still grow progress in
incremental steps. It's also
--- Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
x86 processor, solar cells, fusion technology, cars, fuel cells.
But Daniel, all of these are positively *BURIED* in patents.
The architecture of a new
microprocessor can be drawn on a piece of paper,
The issue is cost. That drawing
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 15:19 +0200, Peter Reaper wrote:
Some things that still bug me about OpenOffice:
1. The page ZOOM toolbar button needs to be a dropdown selection,
instead of the more cumbersome separate dialog window.
There is a method for this - you simply right-click on the zoom
Ah! Thanks for the tip. It works great (after you save the file).
(Contentious? Well, I like the filename for documents, so I'm happy.)
Andrew Volk
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From: Peter Kupfer OOo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:25 PM
To: discuss@openoffice.org
Cc:
To whom concerned,
Greetings,
I find that Build 1.9.m104 's Calc can't operate
LOG function , it only can operate Ln function.
Best Regards,
Alexander Chen
Thank you for the information.
On 5/30/05, Peter Kupfer OOo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wheat Wheaty wrote:
Simple, HTML + PHP editing program would be great to add to the great
5 suite of openoffice! Thank you.
While I don't believe they are open source, they are free. I use:
On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 06:40 +1000, Jonathon Coombes wrote:
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 15:19 +0200, Peter Reaper wrote:
SNIP!
6. Double click should select a sentence; tripple click should select a
paragraph. (it might already do this)
I think it is close. I believe double click will select the
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 21:46 +0100, Sander Vesik wrote:
--- Daniel Carrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
x86 processor, solar cells, fusion technology, cars, fuel cells.
But Daniel, all of these are positively *BURIED* in patents.
Software is different from other commodities. Patents on
Thanks for the reply. I had no idea it was a FAQ.
My reply would still be, that applications are meant
to be used by people, rather than a toy for
developers. The mozilla organisation managed to keep
the old, big and slow application, but also managed to
split the core components into individual
Text boxes and embedded JPEG's.
They were imported into Open, but lost when saved in Open with MS Office
Format. The same type objects when created in Open are saved correctly in MS
Office format. But the objects cannot be edited and saved in MS Office lest
Open imports them, but cannot save
I have recently bought a Palm PDA, which has limited functions for
writing documents. As I was creating some documents, I thought it would
be nice to be able to create these using OpenOffice.org on the PDA. Are
there any plans to port OOo to Palm?
Cheers
Saalo
--
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC
Chris Benatar wrote:
Yes, I do agree with you on this although I do feel that the object
model is the way most people would see the language ie. although it is
an extension of it, it is a pretty critical one. Not sure what would be
involved in changing the languages interface to the object
Saalo Sparkes wrote:
I have recently bought a Palm PDA, which has limited functions for
writing documents. As I was creating some documents, I thought it would
be nice to be able to create these using OpenOffice.org on the PDA. Are
there any plans to port OOo to Palm?
Current versions of
Ian Laurenson wrote:
* In Writer searching is at a document level thus coding for searching
within a selection is extremely tedious and the resulting code is slow.
Interesting, can you provide an example that shows the problem?
* Having an enumeration for PageLayout that doesn't include an
Bob Hunter wrote:
My reply would still be, that applications are meant
to be used by people, rather than a toy for
developers. The mozilla organisation managed to keep
the old, big and slow application, but also managed to
split the core components into individual
applications, which are
Hi, comments in line...
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From: Saalo Sparkes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 31, 2005 8:01 AM
To: discuss@openoffice.org
Subject: [discuss] Palm
I have recently bought a Palm PDA, which has limited functions for
writing documents. As I was creating some documents, I thought
On Tue, May 31, 2005 01:30:51 AM -0400, Daniel Carrera
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The architecture of a new microprocessor can be drawn on a piece of
paper,
The issue is cost. That drawing (which would not fit on any piece of
paper I know of) is very expensive to do. The point is not
M. Fioretti wrote:
That's not the point I was making. I never said new = bad and I
don't know how you got that impression.
From your sentence above: The thing about using patents to protect
invention is actually a very recent aberration in a few fields.
Trust me, I didn't mean to imply new
Nicolas, I'm bringing the discussion back to the list, were I wanted
to keep it. It is only by mistake (damned webmail) that I replied to
you and not to OO.o in the message to which you answered below.
On Tue, May 31, 2005 12:10:04 PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mar
On Tue, May 31, 2005 21:46:03 PM +1200, Wesley Parish
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
One NZ inventor - Richard Pierce - who believed in this
working-in-secret has the distinction of never having his
inventions in the fields of aviation or anything else, actually get
taken up anywhere. So as an
On Tue, May 31, 2005 01:34:50 AM -0400, Daniel Carrera
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
M. Fioretti wrote:
In Free Software, Free Society, R.M. Stallman talks about the
perversion of the original intent of patent and copyright law. For
those of us in the US, our constitution states clearly that
Sander Vesik wrote:
--- Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I read this patent and I think it covers every conceivable method of
communication between computers done by applications, connected by any
means. If this patent is enfoceable, Microsoft would own the methods of
communicating on any
Sander Vesik wrote:
--- Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel,
All I was pointing out was that MS didn't even do what you suggested.
You said since all ideas are based on relatively small modifications of
old ones and that is true.
They did not invent anything, although there patent
M. Fioretti wrote:
Of course. But if they do it for profit, they will only shell the
money out if there is the possibility (through patents) to get more
back.
Look, I don't question that patents let companies make more money than
they would otherwise. What I'm saying is that (1) they can
M. Fioretti wrote:
In Free Software, Free Society, R.M. Stallman talks about the
perversion of the original intent of patent and copyright law. For
those of us in the US, our constitution states clearly that these are
granted for the benefit of society. Most other countries say something
Volk, Andrew M wrote:
I am writing to suggest that the filename of the file being edited in
Writer should be in the header line (or somewhere in the frame).
I am writing documents which are going through a lot of edits between me
and a collaborator on the Web. To keep the versions straight,
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 02:06 pm, Marq van Hoof wrote:
Hi there,
I copied the following text from the website:
*Note. Depending on your install set you may be asked if you want
OpenOffice.org to be your default Office suite.* If you answer
yes and
then change your mind, returning to the
Volk, Andrew M wrote:
Ah! Thanks for the tip. It works great (after you save the file).
(Contentious? Well, I like the filename for documents, so I'm happy.)
Andrew Volk
I like the way 1.1.x treats it, in so far as I have a choice, between
the file name or the file title. If I am edited
Peter Reaper wrote:
Sam Hiser on 31.05.2005 15:39 wrote:
Perhaps someone would like to help Robert convert his problems into bug
reports?
I used to be someone and have spent hundreds of hours reporting and
commenting on bugs (for Mozilla), most of which are still sitting there,
unfixed.
Peter Reaper wrote:
Dave, I sincerely hope you are not a fanboy. Although some of your
defensive/aggressive terminology suggests that might be. :-P
I don't think this is case. I think he, along with others, want people
to offer suggestion and help and not just come on the list and complain
Jonathan Kaye wrote:
Thanks for the interesting posting, Adrian. One thing I didn't quite
understand is, can you now use Thunderbird with your pocket pc? My
friend is using Outlook (not express) on his desktop because he uses it
on his palmtop. He'd be happy to switch to TB if it could also run
--- Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sander Vesik wrote:
--- Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel,
All I was pointing out was that MS didn't even do what you suggested.
You said since all ideas are based on relatively small modifications of
old ones and that is true.
They did
--- Mathias Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Currently we are investigating both ways: we are looking for new,
simpler APIs and we are thinking about more smart capabilities of
OOoBasic.
It has bee a while since I have said this (mostly due to mailing list
inactivity) but - hopefully
Hey, guys should not we take this to social?
It is becoming less and less discussing.
Chris
M. Fioretti wrote:
You can do it with small material things which can be built with
*very* little space and money, or in environments where, again
unlike software, everybody plays by the same
On Mon, May 30, 2005 20:23:13 PM -0400, Daniel Carrera
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Chris BONDE wrote:
Now the basic concept of rewarding a person for disclosing their
idea to the world instead of keeping it a secret is good (patent).
That is neither the intention, nor the effect
On Tue, May 31, 2005 21:23:23 PM -0700, Chris BONDE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
1) Please, NEVER retransmit pages and pages of text only to add a
couple of lines. Always trim as much as possible! Thanks
Hey, guys should not we take this to social?
No, why?
First of all I'm not on that list. I
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