Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-10 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Jonathon Blake wrote: It is such a small niche that microsoft has announced that they have lost, and will continue to lose market share in the desktop, and office suite, due to FLOSS products. Uppsala University, for example, got a 90% discount on MS-Office. I'm not sure

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-10 Thread Peter Blakeley
I am afraid chuck your thinking does not seem to take into account generational change as people who have been brought up with OSS move into positions of power. There used to be a saying (I paraphrase) You will always have a job if you buy IBM not quite right but the sentiment is there. That

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-09 Thread Wesley Parish
And BIND is a niche product? BSD's TCP/IP? There was a big hiss and roar about something called the OSI stack at one stage. It was backed by all the major companies. TCP/IP got started first. The big companies never got OSI off to any sort of start. So much for a program's quality's

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-09 Thread Jonathon Blake
Wesley wrote: And BIND is a niche product? Ever tried to buy BIND, or equivalant at Frye's? xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-08 Thread Sam Hiser
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 12:43 -0400, Chuck wrote: My point is that OSS will never be more than a small niche compared to commercial software. Most people believe that a program's quality is proportional to it's price. In their minds, free = piece of crap, expensive equals great software with

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-08 Thread Robert Derman
Chuck wrote: My point is that OSS will never be more than a small niche compared to commercial software. Most people believe that a program's quality is proportional to it's price. In their minds, free = piece of crap, expensive equals great software with great support. I'm not saying this is

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-08 Thread Robin Laing
Chuck wrote: My point is that OSS will never be more than a small niche compared to commercial software. Most people believe that a program's quality is proportional to it's price. In their minds, free = piece of crap, expensive equals great software with great support. I'm not saying this is

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-08 Thread Alexandro Colorado
That's why you can build your company on the support of free software. And is NO easy task, you need to have a lil army of experts around the clock. You just dont have developers but you still have manteinance support, trainning, and other services. example, how many people actually pay for

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-08 Thread Jonathon Blake
Chuck wrote: My point is that OSS will never be more than a small niche compared to commercial software. It is such a small niche that microsoft has announced that they have lost, and will continue to lose market share in the desktop, and office suite, due to FLOSS products. free = piece of

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-07 Thread Alex
OSS has already replaced a number of commercial elements. Firefox for browsing, Thunderbird for email, OpenOffice for (guess what here) in my business, Linux for a file server ( soon the desktop). I don't get your commment. :-) Cheers, Alex Janssen Chuck wrote: Anthony Long wrote:

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-06 Thread Lars D . Noodén
The article, and cetainly some replies, makes a mistake that many other similar articles make: MS is not the alpha and omega of closed source so the debate is not MS vs OpenSource, but MS vs both Closed and Open Source. We get reminded of that every time MS gets caught using illegal methods

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-06 Thread Sam Hiser
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 14:53 -0400, Lars D. Noodn wrote: The article, and cetainly some replies, makes a mistake that many other similar articles make: MS is not the alpha and omega of closed source so the debate is not MS vs OpenSource, but MS vs both Closed and Open Source. We get reminded

[discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-06 Thread Chuck
I don't believe OSS will ever knock MS off either. It will be a viable alternative to MS software. It may even be better. But it will never replace MS software. There's too many corporate types that believe that price and quality of software are directly proportional. For the rich there will

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-06 Thread Sam Hiser
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 14:41 -0400, Chuck wrote: Anthony Long wrote: I'm curious to know what people think about this article? http://hbsworkingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=4834t=technology Cheers, Anthony There are four things in life that are guaranteed... 1) You will

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-06 Thread Lars D . Noodén
I did not say that OSS will never knock MS off. That is not the goal of OSS, but as others including Linus Torvalds have pointed out it may well be a side effect. I did say that it is incorrect to frame the discussion as MS vs Open Source. That's very inaccurate. If one must frame the

Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-06 Thread Sam Hiser
Agree with Lars. There is a possible side effect that MS does die due to tactical errors or the shear force of quality and competitive skill from financially healthy FLOSS vendors. The authors made a conspicuous mistake to suggest that installed base is an advantage which creates its own network

[discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?

2005-06-06 Thread Johan Vromans
Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's too many corporate types that believe that price and quality of software are directly proportional. FLOSS is not about price and quality. FLOSS is about freedom. So the quote should probably read: There's too many corporate types that believe that