Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-13 Thread Thomas Green
Alan Blackwell said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And all you ppigers testing things on your first year students are also on a slippery ethical slope... A very interesting question. I recently had a complaint of this nature from a student. Most UK Depts of Psychology have an ethics committee to

RE: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-13 Thread Lindsay Marshall
Glasgow have a useful checklist for whether or not ethics approval is needed : http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~hcp/ethics/ L. -- PPIG Discuss List (discuss@ppig.org) Discuss admin: http://limitlessmail.net/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-12 Thread Matt Jadud
It seems to me that an A/B study theorizes ahead of any data you might collect; you're already assuming that life drawing will have an effect, and that effect will manifest itself as a change in the student's grade or performance in the course. But if your only measure for its effect is

Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-11 Thread Daniel Scrivener
I am hoping that the proposed semi-circularlayout of the class will help, as it will be quite difficult for students to see anyone's easel except their own.Difficult with large numbers of students perhaps. I agree - and this is the main limiting factor on class size for this proposal. I don't

RE: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-11 Thread Lindsay Marshall
I'm also considering the question of how to measure the success of such a trial. One possibility I considered, as the proposed course is in preparation for the Sun Certification exam, is to split the group into two, and have half of them leave the room for an ordinary (inactive) break

RE: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-07 Thread Lindsay Marshall
If those motivational trainers that businesses hire can get the dumpy, bald guy from accounts to feel confident about public speaking in a day, it can't be beyond the wit of academics to pass such a skill on to CS students, can it? It's tougher than you think and it is also a problem

RE: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-07 Thread Lindsay Marshall
I am hoping that the proposed semi-circular layout of the class will help, as it will be quite difficult for students to see anyone's easel except their own. Difficult with large numbers of students perhaps. Also, in ordinary life-drawing classes I have found the flip-chart pad to be a

PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Daniel Scrivener
In recent years I have been involved in teaching both Java (for the Sun Certified Java Programmer exam) and life-drawing. This has included after-work life-drawing classes attended by people working in largely technical / analytical jobs. Life-drawing is an intensive creative activity, which

Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Alan Blackwell
Over the years I have encouraged students to go off and learn to draw, though have never integrated it as part of a course : the hard problem I would predict would be overcoming people's reluctance to actually draw. People are often convinced that they can't draw and are reluctant to

RE: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Lindsay Marshall
Lindsay is right - pencil anxiety is a big problem for computer scientists when you ask them to pick one up in a public place. I've encountered this even with groups of senior HCI researchers, who are completely unable to sketch a proposal for a user interface when given a pencil and paper.

RE: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Lindsay Marshall
How about a whiteboard? Does that hold the same horror for them? The horror is performing in public I think. Look how nervous people most people are at doing presentations. A white board would be even worse! I have some ideas for using tablet PCs that might work for this though - I'll try them

Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Frank Wales
On 02/06/2006 04:49 PM, Lindsay Marshall wrote: The horror is performing in public I think. Look how nervous people most people are at doing presentations. A white board would be even worse! These days, I don't believe I would hire a software developer who couldn't stand at a whiteboard and

Re: PPIG discuss: Java and Life-Drawing

2006-02-06 Thread Daniel Scrivener
All, thanks for your comments, and your encouragement. Alan, I will take a look at your published work and may well take you up on your offer of assistance. With regard to the question of drawing confidence, I agree this could be a problem - it is a terrifying experience to attempt a new and