Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-08-04 Thread Alex Milowski
Sorry to jump in so late on this thread... On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Tim Peierlst...@peierls.net wrote: Some rambling newbie Restlet design questions: Background: I'm in the preliminary stages of a ground-up redesign of an existing non-Restlet application. I'm (naturally) convinced

RE: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-25 Thread Jerome Louvel
...@gmail.com [mailto:tpeie...@gmail.com] De la part de Tim Peierls Envoyé : mardi 21 juillet 2009 15:08 À : discuss@restlet.tigris.org Objet : Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Jerome Louvel jerome.lou...@noelios.com wrote: However, for communication with GWT

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-25 Thread Rob Heittman
All valid points. There must be cooperation between a client and server at some level! I have two problems with RPC style implementations on the Web: 1) The RPC paradigm hides the advanced properties of the Web and makes them really difficult to leverage 2) The RPC protocol and serialization

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-21 Thread Hendy Irawan
Hi Tim, The biggest APP user I know is Google, with practically all of its API using the Google Data (GData) protocol. It's basically a extended version of APP, most due to practicality reasons prevailing over idealistic (i.e. pure APP). GData puts some extensive stress testing on APP, i.e.

RE: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-21 Thread Jerome Louvel
developer ~ http://www.restlet.org Noelios Technologies ~ Co-founder ~ http://www.noelios.com -Message d'origine- De : Hendy Irawan [mailto:he...@soluvas.com] Envoyé : lundi 20 juillet 2009 17:54 À : discuss@restlet.tigris.org Objet : Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet Hi Tim, The biggest APP

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-21 Thread Tim Peierls
Thanks -- I was particularly interested in the Google Calendar Data API, but I'd be rolling my own implementation, right? --tim On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Hendy Irawan he...@soluvas.com wrote: Hi Tim, The biggest APP user I know is Google, with practically all of its API using the

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-21 Thread Tim Peierls
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Jerome Louvel jerome.lou...@noelios.comwrote: However, for communication with GWT, it is indeed a better idea to rely on JSON. I have also been working on reusing the 'transparent' serialization of beans between Restlet/Server and Restlet/GWT. This

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-21 Thread Tim Peierls
Do the Java Client libraries for the Google Data APIs run under GWT? I can't find any indication one way or the other. It'd be cool if they did, though. --tim On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Tim Peierls t...@peierls.net wrote: Thanks -- I was particularly interested in the Google Calendar

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-21 Thread David Bordoley
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Tim Peierlst...@peierls.net wrote: Hmm, the wind is going out of my sails. I started by recognizing that AtomPub seemed to be a natural fit for my domain, and now I'm looking at JSON/serialized beans and optional plain Atom feeds. (Optional in the sense that my

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-20 Thread Tim Peierls
Thanks, Dave. I was going to ask about hAtom, templating engines, and JSON in follow-up questions, but now I don't need to! --tim On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:16 PM, David Bordoley bordo...@gmail.com wrote: One way I've worked with Atom services within Restlet is to use freemarker templates to

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-17 Thread Stephen Groucutt
I'll qualify this by saying that I know of plans to use APP in enterprise applications, but I haven't ever actually seen anything in the enterprise. There's a good presentation on APP's capabilities in non-trivial environments over at

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-17 Thread Tim Peierls
Thanks, Stephen, this is very helpful. --tim On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Stephen Groucutt stephen.grouc...@gmail.com wrote: I'll qualify this by saying that I know of plans to use APP in enterprise applications, but I haven't ever actually seen anything in the enterprise. There's a good

Re: Guidance on Atom/APP in Restlet

2009-07-17 Thread David Bordoley
One way I've worked with Atom services within Restlet is to use freemarker templates to generate atom representations and use an XML parser to parse entity bodies of APP POST/PUT requests. This allows me to extract the data I'm interested in without pulling the whole Atom tree into memory as Rome