Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:00:39 a l wrote: Thanks for the relevant sources and calm voicing of concerns. To this end: Just because things require taxing does not mean we cannot conduct them. We would just need to weigh the benefits and time involved. As the chief financial officer who is

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread Craig Bergdorf
After reconnecting with a CFO pal of mine last night and googling everything i frantically wrote down that he said, I agree with him that, legally, everything under contention can happily fall under ubit. After hearing example after example, i'de be shocked if our issue being less than 49% of

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread Craig Bergdorf
imo a 990-t must be filed either way, (not cashing the checks means nothing with a sublease that has the building owners signature on it (as he will be filin it eitherway)), so why not just run it for 6 months. afaik it's too late to do anything else (legally) without pretending events didn't

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Thursday, March 06, 2014 09:35:44 alex kot wrote: Craig makes a good point. The way I see it all your doing is creating unnecessary drama, let the 6 months ride out. Justin did this whole thing out of good intent, probably caused him more of headache then if he just spent his money at the

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread alex kot
Sounds like “Phong Robotics” is just jealous that Something New Entertainment thought of it first.  Seriously, what do you propose would be a good approach?  All I hear is bickering about what should have been done.  Yes a mistake was made; we need to fix it so the board doesn't do it again. 

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread Ryan Rix
Sounds like “Phong Robotics” is just jealous that Something New How about we just be excellent to each other *spews club mate all over screen* That was impressive, thank you, for that dichotomy. I've tried to not get involved in this since I don't actually think I'm a big part of the SYNHAK

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread Byron Moran
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Ryan Rix r...@n.rix.si wrote: Sounds like Phong Robotics is just jealous that Something New How about we just be excellent to each other *spews club mate all over screen* That was impressive, thank you, for that dichotomy. I've tried to not get involved

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread Omar Rassi
I think down the road Syn/Hak shouldn't be by any means a place of paid storage. It is hacker space. This wasn't the original intent on the deal. I think letting his lease complete at the 6 months and helping him move his things out to another area, would be a nice thing to do. But also make an

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread dave walton
The basic business model of the Columbus Idea Foundry is to rent workspace to it's members. There are several artists - watercolor and oil painters, glass blowers, welders, sculptors, and a guy who is making electric cars who all rent space. It really adds to the environment and furthers the

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-06 Thread a l
Thanks for the varying perspectives Ryan and Dave. We are community driven(for better or worse) so being able to serve our community is goal number 1a). I have been waffling between supporting and being against subletting this space. It's good to hear some views from a fairly outside, but not

[SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-05 Thread Torrie Fischer
I'm wearing my treasurer hat for this. After some digging around, I've come to the conclusion that leasing out this space is incredibly likely to be considered a violation of our 501c3 status as it is unrelated income. That $100/mo will need to be taxed and somehow proven that leasing out our

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-05 Thread Devin Wolfe
Can you please provide your source? Thanks, Devin Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On March 5, 2014 8:55:49 AM Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: I'm wearing my treasurer hat for this. After some digging around, I've come to the conclusion that leasing

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-05 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 09:09:54 Philip P. Patnode wrote: TWIMC @ SH If the leased racks and loaned racks have to go, I will donate money (up to $100 for new materials) and time to build at least one 8ft x 8ft x 2ft plywood shelving unit, with a solid panel back, on 6 heavy-duty wheels.

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-05 Thread Justin Herman
This has already be researched http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf Page 17 Section Rental Income: Generally, income derived from the rental of real property and incidental personal property is excluded from unrelated business income. It goes on to state HOW it would not qualify. (if

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-05 Thread Justin Herman
Also since this has been brought up before... ...the following activities are specifically excluded from the definition of unrelated trade or business: - *Volunteer Labor*: Any trade or business is excluded in which substantially all the work is performed for the organization without

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-05 Thread a l
Thanks for the relevant sources and calm voicing of concerns. To this end: Just because things require taxing does not mean we cannot conduct them. We would just need to weigh the benefits and time involved. Regards, Andrew L On Mar 5, 2014 9:24 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Also

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-05 Thread Patrick Regan
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: This has already be researched http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf Page 17 Section Rental Income: Generally, income derived from the rental of real property and incidental personal property is excluded from

Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks

2014-03-05 Thread Nicholas Petroski
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Patrick Regan patrick.rubbs.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: This has already be researched http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf Page 17 Section Rental Income: Generally, income