Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-10 Thread Robert McGwier
I think that many RF and wireless designers make a lot of assumptions as well and never admit to the horror of the mobile channel. LTE is not really realizing the needed increase in capacity to justify the rollout cost of all of the needed infrastructure in my opinion but now everyone is all in.

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-09 Thread Tom Rondeau
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:34 AM, shantharam balasubramanian shantharam...@gmail.com wrote: Hello people, Thanks a lot for the reply. So, you are saying that the packet loss at low transmitter amplitude in benchmark_Tx.py and benchmark_Rx.py come from the loss of packet synchronization data,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-09 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Keep in mind the old information theorist's adage: if you don't have bit errors, you're using too much power! (ok, I don't know how old that is; fred harris always quotes it, but he credits someone else with it, probably Tony Constantinides). In other words, we normally design our systems around

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-09 Thread Colby Boyer
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: Keep in mind the old information theorist's adage: if you don't have bit errors, you're using too much power! (ok, I don't know how old that is; fred harris always quotes it, but he credits someone else with it,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-09 Thread John Orlando
I'm also surprised they get LTE to work...16 b/s/hz spectral efficiencythats pretty up there. And LTE-Advanced is spec'ing 30 bits/sec/hz at peak spectral efficiency...which makes my head hurt just thinking about the complexity both in the RF hardware as well as the PHY processing to

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-08 Thread Martin Braun
On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 02:47:10PM -0400, Daniel Zeleznikar wrote: As Marcus pointed out, there will always be packet loss associated with higher BER in real systems that employ packet switching. The only thing I could suggest is that you somehow move further upstream in your receive system to

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-08 Thread shantharam balasubramanian
Hello people, Thanks a lot for the reply. So, you are saying that the packet loss at low transmitter amplitude in benchmark_Tx.py and benchmark_Rx.py come from the loss of packet synchronization data, i.e., a part of the packet synchronization data gets lost or degraded due to low SNR. I know

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-07 Thread Colby Boyer
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: ** On 08/06/2011 06:27 PM, shantharam balasubramanian wrote: Hi I have been working in usrp2 testbed, and I have been modifying the benchmark_tx and rx programs for my project. There have been situations where I was

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-07 Thread Daniel Zeleznikar
As Marcus pointed out, there will always be packet loss associated with higher BER in real systems that employ packet switching. The only thing I could suggest is that you somehow move further upstream in your receive system to make the BER measurement happen at the bit/symbol level if you really

[Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-06 Thread shantharam balasubramanian
Hi I have been working in usrp2 testbed, and I have been modifying the benchmark_tx and rx programs for my project. There have been situations where I was supposed to introduce noise to find out BER. I did that by giving lower transmitter amplitude values. But very low values cause packet loss

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Introducing noise/ considerable BER

2011-08-06 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 08/06/2011 06:27 PM, shantharam balasubramanian wrote: Hi I have been working in usrp2 testbed, and I have been modifying the benchmark_tx and rx programs for my project. There have been situations where I was supposed to introduce noise to find out BER. I did that by giving lower