Re: FT8 with GNU radio and the PlutoSDR on the 2 meters band

2020-01-14 Thread Daniel Estévez
Hi Neil, I agree with what Ron said. Also, note that even in FSK the phase is continuous, so I wouldn't call the instant frequency jump a "sharp transition" (but this is arguing about names, anyway). It's true that the GFSK version includes amplitude ramp-up and ramp-down at the start and end of

Re: FT8 with GNU radio and the PlutoSDR on the 2 meters band

2020-01-13 Thread Adrian Musceac
Thanks for the correction Neil, I was sure FT8 was RRC filtered FSK, now I know better. Like Daniel though, I'm not sure why GFSK would require more linearity than FSK with abrupt phase transitions. I've never used GFSK, but I have used GMSK which is quite similar and it didn't require very high

Re: FT8 with GNU radio and the PlutoSDR on the 2 meters band

2020-01-13 Thread Daniel Estévez
El 13/1/20 a las 19:47, Neil escribió: > Alternative description of Automatic Level Control now we are in the > world of SDR: > > "ALC: An ancient and terrible use of amplitude feedback control by > boat-anchor radios which had insufficient control over their modulation > sources and had excessive

Re: FT8 with GNU radio and the PlutoSDR on the 2 meters band

2020-01-13 Thread Neil
Alternative description of Automatic Level Control now we are in the world of SDR: "ALC: An ancient and terrible use of amplitude feedback control by boat-anchor radios which had insufficient control over their modulation sources and had excessive gain.  A cause of envelope distortion, interm

Re: FT8 with GNU radio and the PlutoSDR on the 2 meters band

2020-01-13 Thread Adrian Musceac
Hi Nate, thanks very much for the link, I will study the module as it might be just what I was looking for. FT8 is fortunately FSK over SSB, but for general SSB work this would be essential. Thanks, Adrian On January 13, 2020 6:06:17 PM UTC, Nate Temple wrote: >Hi Adrian, > >You may be interes

Re: FT8 with GNU radio and the PlutoSDR on the 2 meters band

2020-01-13 Thread Nate Temple
Hi Adrian, You may be interested in this OOT by drmpeg: https://github.com/drmpeg/gr-cessb Based on this paper: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2014/Nov-Dec_2014/Hershberger_QEX_11_14.pdf >From the paper: "Generate SSB without the big overshoot peaks that make ALC necessary with co

Re: FT8 with GNU radio and the PlutoSDR on the 2 meters band

2020-01-13 Thread Adrian Musceac
Hi Marcus, I'm not a hardware guy, but I think it's a circuit that monitors voltage from the final amplification stage and adjusts gain of previous stages if the maximum level is exceeded. Present in all classic SSB transceivers. Perhaps somebody else can explain better. Adrian On January 13,

Re: FT8 with GNU radio and the PlutoSDR on the 2 meters band

2020-01-13 Thread CEL
Hey Adrian, that's nice! Generally: you said you couldn't implement an ALC: what's an ALC? Best regards, Marcus Mon, 2020-01-13 at 16:40 +, Adrian Musceac wrote: > Hi, > > I wrote a report about combining WSJTX and GNU radio with a PlutoSDR > transceiver to achieve FT8 contacts on the 144