Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 36, Issue 37

2005-11-26 Thread Michael Thaler
On Saturday 26 November 2005 12:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My idea of a good desktop follows along the nextstep design and thats it. Did Steve Jobs intend nextstep to be a good citizen of other desktops? I dont think so. I dont know about openstep but it seems that its not a good citizen of

Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 36, Issue 37

2005-11-26 Thread Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-11-26 21:25:16 +0800 Michael Thaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And nextstep/openstep is dead for a long time. Without Steve Jobs noone would care for nextstp/openstep at all anymore. Steve Jobs did the right thing. He turned nextstep into

Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 36, Issue 37

2005-11-26 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 26 Nov 2005, at 13:25, Michael Thaler wrote: On Saturday 26 November 2005 12:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My idea of a good desktop follows along the nextstep design and thats it. Did Steve Jobs intend nextstep to be a good citizen of other desktops? I dont think so. I dont know about

Re: Clash of the Titans, GNUstep alongside GNOME

2005-11-26 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 26 Nov 2005, at 15:27, Nicolas Roard wrote: On 11/26/05, Rogelio M. Serrano Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-11-26 14:22:25 +0800 Thom Cherryhomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is worth noting that YES, a colour change would go part of

Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 36, Issue 37

2005-11-26 Thread Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-11-26 23:54:31 +0800 Richard Frith-Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Nov 2005, at 13:25, Michael Thaler wrote: Yep ... I use firefox within a GNUstep desktop and I find it annoyingly clunky/awkward in comparison with the 'native'

Re: Clash of the Titans, GNUstep alongside GNOME

2005-11-26 Thread Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-11-27 00:34:58 +0800 Richard Frith-Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Nov 2005, at 15:27, Nicolas Roard wrote: On 11/26/05, Rogelio M. Serrano Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On

Re: Clash of the Titans, GNUstep alongside GNOME

2005-11-26 Thread Helge Hess
On 26. Nov 2005, at 18:16 Uhr, Nicolas Roard wrote: - the feel -- more difficult; under windows you want menu-in- windows, etc Is it really such a big deal to resize the content-view of an NSWindow and place the menu at the top? (really, I have no idea, but this point sounds rather easy,

Re: NSBrowser question

2005-11-26 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
Quoting Andreas Höschler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello all, I have done the following [browser setMatrixClass:[FinderBrowserMatrix class]]; in order to implement dragging in a browser so I get a call to - (void)mouseDown:(NSEvent *)event on an instance of FinderBrowserMatrix. Any

Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 36, Issue 37

2005-11-26 Thread Michael Thaler
On Saturday 26 November 2005 16:54, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: Since I think we have easily the best look and feel on large/modern displays, obviously changing the look/feel would be a BAD idea on those systems. However, the rest I agree with ... we need themes for Personally, I don't

Re: Clash of the Titans, GNUstep alongside GNOME

2005-11-26 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
First of all, a little criticism at the beginning: you are comparing two different things: GNUstep is a framework for developing applications, Gnome is a desktop environment. So next time compare either Gnome to, say, the Etoile project (www.etoile-project.org) or GNUstep to GTK 2.0. Quoting Thom

Re: Clash of the Titans, GNUstep alongside GNOME

2005-11-26 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 26 Nov 2005, at 17:16, Nicolas Roard wrote: This is why I'm concerned that we should - 1. keep the current interface as default 2. provide themes for the other interfaces 3. make switching VERY easy 4. try to make things interoperate as well as possible even when we are not using themes to

Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 36, Issue 37

2005-11-26 Thread Nicolas Roard
On 11/26/05, Michael Thaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 26 November 2005 16:54, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: Since I think we have easily the best look and feel on large/modern displays, obviously changing the look/feel would be a BAD idea on those systems. However, the rest I

Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 36, Issue 37

2005-11-26 Thread Michael Thaler
On Saturday 26 November 2005 20:40, Nicolas Roard wrote: Pretty cool, indeed ! is it a Camaelon theme ? care to make it available ? :-) I should probably update properly the camaelon webpage and put the available themes to download... Yes, it is a Camaelon theme. Of course you can put it on

Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 36, Issue 37

2005-11-26 Thread Nicolas Roard
On 11/26/05, Michael Thaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 26 November 2005 20:40, Nicolas Roard wrote: Pretty cool, indeed ! is it a Camaelon theme ? care to make it available ? :-) I should probably update properly the camaelon webpage and put the available themes to download...

Re: Tango_Desktop_Project

2005-11-26 Thread Gregory John Casamento
David, There is a SVG viewer for GNUstep available and it contains an SVGImageRep. It's by Alex M., it would be nice to have it integrated into GNUstep, if possible. GJC --- David Wetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Thaler wrote: That would be nice. There is also the Tango project

Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 36, Issue 37

2005-11-26 Thread Fred Kiefer
Michael Thaler wrote: The problem with this is, that gnustep is not useable as a desktop at all right now. For instance, there is no browser, so you have to use Firefox or Konqueror or any other browser of your choice and gnustep apps and KDE/GNOME apps just don't work very well together

Re: Clash of the Titans, GNUstep alongside GNOME

2005-11-26 Thread Sheldon Gill
Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: On 26 Nov 2005, at 17:16, Nicolas Roard wrote: This is why I'm concerned that we should - 1. keep the current interface as default 2. provide themes for the other interfaces 3. make switching VERY easy 4. try to make things interoperate as well as possible even