Being gnustep an API and development environment, its foundation is the
open step specification, and has as an objective to follow the state of
the Cocoa APIs.
But the openstep spec also specifies a set of applications and user
interface guidelines that make NextStep and consequently GNUStep
Hi Mark,
First, as an Étoilé developer, I can answer the question in your
subject line with a definite 'yes.' I recently did a Cocoa tutorial
for OS X users where we developed a simple app in XCode and Interface
Builder. In the last five minutes of the session, I copied the code
that
3) Eliminate the need for GNUstep.sh...
Well, this one wasn't a biggie for me... but I still had to run the
GNUStep.sh to get things to compile.
GNUstep.sh is still needed to compile, but not to run GNUstep
applications. The new GNUstep.conf contains the configuration files
needed to
Thanks for the replies. It was a relief to wake up this morning and
see that the mailing list is active, I sent an email to the Etoille
list days ago (a lot less flammatory, btw) and still have not seen any
reply. So maybe at least part of my tone came from frustration.
A couple of things, but
Jesse, did you get a chance to check my post to the webmasters' ML? I
summarized what we've talked about in here, and added some things of my own:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnustep-webmasters/2007-11/msg4.html
Stefan
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OK. So, I have a couple of thoughts. If the goal is to bring GNUStep
into use to as many developers as possible, there is only one
solution: Critical Mass. The history of our industry shows us that the
best product rarely wins. (Anyone think that Windows Vista is the best
windowing system?)
Hi,
On Nov 13, 2007 1:13 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the replies. It was a relief to wake up this morning and
see that the mailing list is active, I sent an email to the Etoille
list days ago (a lot less flammatory, btw) and still have not seen any
reply. So maybe at
It is 100% reproducible here -- it happens every time I do it. Do you
want me to put a bug report in somewhere? (would that be a GORM bug, a
PC bug or a GNUSTEP bug?) Or does someone else want to verify this on
their system?
BTW, If I DON'T double click the .gorm file, but rather open it up in
On 10.11.2007, at 20:11, Jesse Ross wrote:
To pickup the Ruby example, I'm not aware of any killer app Ruby
or Rails provides.
Just to clarify, Rails _is_ Ruby's killer app. Rails is what
propelled Ruby onto the shelves of every bookstore I can think of;
it's what made people take a closer
On Nov 13, 2007 2:14 AM, Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, the current code (since about 18 months ... before the
1.13.0 release) already allows you to set up system-wide defaults by
putting them in the GNUstep.conf file (and/or on a per-user basis by
putting them in
On Nov 13, 2007 1:37 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
B) Native widgets. Why not? I used to work for Neuron Data about 15
years ago. We had a product called Open Interface that provided a
cross-platform GUI. It was great when we started -- a superset of all
windowing environments... but
OK, valid points. One thing I want to emphasize is that I am NOT
suggesting that GNUStep supports MDI. Lord forbid!
I don't think that is necessary for widespread adoption (Mac seems to
have done OK without it :-) But a single horizontal menu bar seems to
be the accepted practice of all
On Nov 13, 2007 2:16 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, valid points. One thing I want to emphasize is that I am NOT
suggesting that GNUStep supports MDI. Lord forbid!
I don't think that is necessary for widespread adoption (Mac seems to
have done OK without it :-) But a single
On 13 Nov 2007, at 14:02, Stefan Bidigaray wrote:
On Nov 13, 2007 2:14 AM, Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, the current code (since about 18 months ... before the
1.13.0 release) already allows you to set up system-wide defaults by
putting them in the GNUstep.conf
I don't know if this is the right forum to ask this but...
I see references in people's reply to:
Etoile, Cameleon, and Cairo. They seem to be code branches of what I
have... so, how does a noob go about getting them? Or should I even
bother (meaning are they too unstable to use right now?) Is
A window maker screen?? I'm still extremely unclear about what you're
talking about here.
WindowMaker was the preferred window manager, but it's not the ONLY window
manager GNUstep works with.
Later, GJC
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# GNUstep Chief Maintainer
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Hi,
I think a site restructuring good. The current site makes thigns
difficult, although it improved a little over the time. Your proposal
sounds roughly pretty good.
I'd not change the design too much though, I got accustomed to the
current design, I don't rememebr who did it, but it is
Hi,
On 2007-11-12 16:48:23 +0100 Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GNUstep ... make your users smile ...
What I don't like about that slogan is that, despite it's positive
message,
it doesn't give you an idea what GNUstep is at all. If the slogan
doesn't
deliver that
Mark Grice wrote:
[...]
Etoile, Cameleon, and Cairo. They seem to be code branches ...
nope, they are totally different things:
* Étoilé is a Desktop Environment based on GNUstep. so far not in stable
state. see www.etoile-project.org
* Camaelon is a theme engine. It is used by Étoilé and is
On Nov 13, 2007 5:07 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope this isn't spamming... but here are three screenshots that I
hope shows what I mean. First two were easy, since I could use the
screenshot utility... third one is digital camera, but I hope you can
tell what it is showing...
Le Lundi 12 Novembre 2007 23:54:03 EST, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
écrit:
Hi All... I don't mean to come on and be a flame thrower my first
post. Believe me, I am hoping to be convinced that GNUStep is a great
choice... but my three weeks of poking and playing makes me wonder...
Here's
Wolfgang,
GNUstep has a wonderful API, but the gui part is seriously lacking in
stability and features. Also the mention of theming and of a more modern
look has been around for years and nothing changed. Therefore, if your projet
needs a GUI, you are probably better with wxWidgets,
HI,
this discussion is a bit sidestepping and taking up precious time to
reply, still, let me make some short commrents.
On 2007-11-13 14:37:39 +0100 Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If UBUNTU has shown us nothing, it has shown us that.
flame
steal the work of others, make up some bad
Please use ps, top or another program to check running programs. I
don't htink you have windowmaker running though.
It looks more like GWorkspace started with tis desktop active and you
are having like two desktop stacked. You can set to hide the desktop
of gworkspace both from its menu and its
On 13.11.2007, at 20:04, Riccardo wrote:
flame
steal the work of others,
Wow, how do you steal *free software*? Sigh ...
Helge
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On 09.11.2007, at 02:25, Oliver Langer wrote:
does anyone of you know about projects or approaches implementing a
framework for supporting REST interfaces for Objective-C? Is anyone
planning/willing to implement such a framework?
SOPE has pretty extensive support for REST (this is the
OK, so I am getting a slightly better picture.
Let me drill down on one thing: Cameleon.
I find it in my Synaptic Package manager. I click on it and install it
plus it's Data file, which appears to be the Nesedah theme. When
finished, I wonder... OK, what do I have? How do I use it?
I look
Yes, you are right, that is what seems to be happening. The odd thing
is I don't REMEMBER installing GWorkspace. I did download the tar...
but anyway...
It isn't quite as simple as you describe though, in case anyone else
runs into this. To say GWorkspace is a bad citizen is putting it
mildly. As
My guess is that it's bad interaction with the compositing manager.
GWorkspace draws directly onto the root window, but when you are
running a compositing manager then this will redirect all of your
windows off screen and draw them all onto the root itself. If you
have two applications
On Nov 13, 2007 6:04 PM, Mark Grice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is that all it takes to install/use Camaelon?
Sounds about right! The Camaelon Nesedah.theme command seems to set the
defaults for you. You are probably using either Ubuntu or Debian (I'm
assuming since you mentioned Synaptic), one
I wanted to jump in on a couple of these points...
Here is a key question you need to be able to answer: why would
anyone want develop on GnuStep, rather than Mac OS X? Where is your
competitive advantage?
Not sure this is the right way to ask this, since GNUStep is not an OS. The
The worst part of the flame, to me, was it completely missed the point. I
wasn't saying that Ubuntu should be held up for all to admire and emulate...
My point was that Ubuntu's success is a based mostly on mass and momentum.
Because SO many people use it, it has an incredible user base which
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