Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Rich Braun
Rich Pieri notes: > there is a flaw (or possibly several) in the ext4 [that] causes extent > corruption and data loss. > fsck will *not* repair an ext4 filesystem in this state. The ext4 filesystem has been the mainstream default on most Linux distros since 2008. I’ve been using a large number

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Rich Pieri
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 05:15:51 -0700 Rich Braun wrote: > The ext4 filesystem has been the mainstream default on most Linux > distros since 2008. I’ve been using a large number of systems using RHEL 7's default is XFS. SLES 12's and SLES 15's default is a mix of Btrfs and XFS. > this filesystem,

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
Another thing to keep in mind is that ZFS does have one flaw; it's a memory hog. If you have a large ZFS filesystem you will need a LOT of RAM to get acceptable performance. But it does represent the current state of the art for file system data integrity. I have to allow that my only experience

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 01:55:57PM -0400, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > Another thing to keep in mind is that ZFS does have one flaw; it's a > memory hog. If you have a large ZFS filesystem you will need a LOT of > RAM to get acceptable performance. But it does represent the current > state of

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
I don't think any of the usual bootloaders support ZFS. The usual way to handle that is to create a small /boot filesystem using something else like ext4, just like you did back in the days when large hard drives weren't supported by the BIOS and therefore the bootloader couldn't access their

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
My NAS boxes each have 16GB. One has two 4TB and two 3TB drives in mirrored pairs; the other has three 1.5TB drives in a RAIDZ1 setup. And that's just for being a NAS. I would probably need more RAM, especially on the one with four drives, if I were also running applications on them. Why two

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 02:18:12PM -0400, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > My NAS boxes each have 16GB. One has two 4TB and two 3TB drives in > mirrored pairs; the other has three 1.5TB drives in a RAIDZ1 setup. > And that's just for being a NAS. I would probably need more RAM, > especially on the

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Marco Milano
On 10/26/18 2:22 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: On 10/26/18 1:55 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: Another thing to keep in mind is that ZFS does have one flaw; it's a memory hog. If you have a large ZFS filesystem you will need a LOT of RAM to get acceptable performance. But it does represent the

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Rich Pieri
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 12:32:26 -0400 Marco Milano wrote: > How did you get the root filesystem under ZFS? > > Is there a nice/clean/easy recipe ? Debian does not include ZFS so not "clean". You have to do a normal install (on XFS), install the ZFS on Linux packages, build your zpool, copy XFS to

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Marco Milano
On 10/26/18 1:55 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: Another thing to keep in mind is that ZFS does have one flaw; it's a memory hog. If you have a large ZFS filesystem you will need a LOT of RAM to get acceptable performance. But it does represent the current state of the art for file system

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Marco Milano
On 10/26/18 11:38 AM, Rich Pieri wrote: Having recently-ish rebuilt my home server with full ZFS I have to say that ZFS makes backups ridiculously easy. And quick. How did you get the root filesystem under ZFS? Is there a nice/clean/easy recipe ? -- Marco

Re: [Discuss] Backing up the entire filesystem

2018-10-26 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 02:30:10PM -0400, Marco Milano wrote: > > > On 10/26/18 2:22 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > > > > > On 10/26/18 1:55 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > > > > > Another thing to keep in mind is that ZFS does have one flaw; it's a > > > > > memory hog. If you have a large