Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification

2011-06-25 Thread Andy Hearn
On 24/06/2011, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-06-24 14:34, Manfred A. Reiter a écrit : Hi Uwe, Ich bin z.Zt. in Urlaub, melde mich danach. ;-) ... Sollten uns dann persönlich sehen. LG ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 24.06.2011 15:40 schrieb Uwe

[tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread plino
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 4. It is incorrect to presume that Font Embedding will not be in ODF 1.3 or any other. While font embedding did not make the feature cut in the prioritization for ODF 1.2, that does not mean it can't be resurrected. It is early days for ODF 1.3, which is

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:25:47 -0700 (PDT) plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, if LibreOffice's goal is to be a suite that stands behind the ODF format then it should review what it promises. If it can't embed fonts, it can never be a replacement for MS Office. Does MS Office embed

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Goran Rakic
У суб, 25. 06 2011. у 12:34 +0200, Manfred Usselmann пише: Does MS Office embed fonts? It is a rarely used option, disabled by default. To use it not breaking copyright law, you need to have a properly licensed font. If you are using non-free font, usually you are not allowed to redistribute

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:34:29 +0200, Manfred Usselmann usselman...@icg-online.de a écrit : On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:25:47 -0700 (PDT) plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, if LibreOffice's goal is to be a suite that stands behind the ODF format then it should review what it promises.

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:06:17 -0400 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Charles H. Schultz has informed us that the OASIS group has no intention of embedding fonts for v.1.2, 1.3 or any future versions, so getting the same type of fidelity from a LibreOffice Reader will not be possible. In this

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

2011-06-25 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:21:34 +0200 Goran Rakic gra...@devbase.net wrote: У пет, 24. 06 2011. у 14:03 -0500, Robert Derman пише: As long as ODF has this inherent limitation it WILL NEVER SUCCEED as a universal document exchange format!!! Different formats exists with different goals.

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2011-06-25 Thread Marius Popa
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Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Ian Lynch
Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only likely to be read from a screen. Snag is desktop office software originates from a time

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Ian Lynch
On 25 June 2011 10:02, timofonic timofonic timofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2011-06-24, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Marc Paré wrote: if we were to promote a quick and dirty LibreOffice Reader, very much like the Adobe

Re: [tdf-discuss]

2011-06-25 Thread Sean White
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Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Ian Lynch
On 25 June 2011 13:37, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to be

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.ptwrote: On 2011-06-24, Robert Derman wrote: Varun Mittal wrote: I personally feel we have more important set of priorities than diversifying right now into PDF reader. Also no point inventing the wheel again when there

[tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread plino
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: No it doesn't. Of course it does. Maybe you don't use it or don't know how to do it. But don't say it doesn't. Charles-H. Schulz wrote: But I think we're also missing the point if -let's say we were to design a brand new office file format that embeds or

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT), plino pedl...@gmail.com a écrit : Charles-H. Schulz wrote: No it doesn't. Of course it does. Maybe you don't use it or don't know how to do it. But don't say it doesn't. So are you saying your word documents embed fonts on a daily basis?

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The reason for the periodic Committee Drafts is to have reasonably-stable feature specifications that implementers can start on and confirm the specification of before we do the work to produce the final stable specification (a Committee Specification) that then goes forward as a Candidate

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Marc Paré
Hi Dennis Le 2011-06-25 12:40, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : The reason for the periodic Committee Drafts is to have reasonably-stable feature specifications that implementers can start on and confirm the specification of before we do the work to produce the final stable specification (a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

2011-06-25 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-06-25, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on faithful layout rendering.

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Derman
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: My Windows 7 C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 10.0\ folder is 181 MB. Where do you get the 6 GB? I simply right clicked on the folder that contains adobe reader 9 and nothing else, the rest of the Adobe products are in a folder one level up that also contains

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

2011-06-25 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 06/25/2011 02:09 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-06-25, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote The problem is that the research I've been doing about this subject has been leading me to the position that LibO/OOo is not going to implement it because it must be implemented in ODF, and because ODF won't

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

2011-06-25 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-06-25, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 06/25/2011 02:09 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I see font embedding as a way to make interoperation easier, and not to achieve faithful representation. I think a major goal is to have ODF being used on several platforms, and available fonts differ

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Derman
Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-06-25, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 06/25/2011 02:09 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I see font embedding as a way to make interoperation easier, and not to achieve faithful representation. I think a major goal is to have ODF being used on several

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Derman
Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 18:01, Nuno J. Silva a écrit : On 2011-06-24, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hello, Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT), plinopedl...@gmail.com a écrit : I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

2011-06-25 Thread Goran Rakic
У суб, 25. 06 2011. у 15:23 -0500, Robert Derman пише: I think it would be best if restricted fonts were simply Grayed out in the font listing and LO simply refused to use them in any way. Let us try not to repeat everything said before here:

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Sean White
I dont thinks thats normal somehow, i have been using Adobe Reader for years and have NEVER had it come past 200MB. Back to discussion, what's with all the PDF hate. It serves a very good purpose a standard, editable document that shows up exactly how you want it WHEREVER you are and whatever OS

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 although it is about fidelity too, especially in things like presentations. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:27 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
A working implementation would be great, although a working specification would be better, since the ODF can consider that while others test it for implementation. And if you want to build it into a LibreOffice as an extended use of the format, all the better, but you need to be prepared for

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 ...)

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
All right, let's put a stake through the heart of this puppy. I just created three documents. One is pretty large so I put them at Windows SkyDrive: https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=33894f6489994ba7resid=33894F6489994BA7!371 1. A Microsoft Word 2010 1-page document with a small image

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 ...)

2011-06-25 Thread Steve Edmonds
Hi Dennis. On 26/06/11 13:53, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: All right, let's put a stake through the heart of this puppy. I just created three documents. One is pretty large so I put them at Windows SkyDrive: https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=33894f6489994ba7resid=33894F6489994BA7!371