Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread Lorenzo Becchi



Mateusz Loskot wrote:

...

The OSGeo Community is pretty open and there is no formal membership - 
everybody invloved in FOSS4G initiavites is allowed to call herself an 
OSGeo member. So, in the OSGeo Planet idea, everybody involved in 
FOSS4G is welcome to add her blog to the Planet, without any 
artificial requirements (post about FOSS4G or do not post at all).


However, I'd limit the OSGeo Planet to people who are involved in 
OSGeo activities in some way (users, speakers, developers, translators,
any other contributors). Just to keep some orientation to the OSGeo 
world. 



what about just Charter Members?
will it be just boaring because of we the Charter Members?


Lorenzo

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread Mateusz Loskot

Lorenzo Becchi wrote:

Mateusz Loskot wrote:

...

The OSGeo Community is pretty open and there is no formal membership - 
everybody invloved in FOSS4G initiavites is allowed to call herself an 
OSGeo member. So, in the OSGeo Planet idea, everybody involved in 
FOSS4G is welcome to add her blog to the Planet, without any 
artificial requirements (post about FOSS4G or do not post at all).


However, I'd limit the OSGeo Planet to people who are involved in 
OSGeo activities in some way (users, speakers, developers, translators,
any other contributors). Just to keep some orientation to the OSGeo 
world. 



what about just Charter Members?
will it be just boaring because of we the Charter Members?


Personally, I'm not sure about that, but I'd prefer to leave that 
decision to the Community.

Perhaps we could mark out who on the planet is a Charter Member.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread Mateusz Loskot

Fee, James wrote:

I've tried to push folks blogging to step out behind their handles and
put their names out there.  I think an OSGeo Planet that were to mimic
the Planet Gnome would be a super idea.


I'm glad to hear that.


I've not pushed the issue as
I've tried to be as open as possible with Planet Geospatial,


Yup, this is perfectly understood. The Planet Geospatial (actually, You 
do) does the great job.



but if I were to create a more specific planet,
I would require real name and possibly even photos.


Yes, would be great, so I'm silently dreaming about
planet with some/more personality.


I think that adds so much credibility to the
community than all the handles that folks seem to use.


This is one of the major goals.


Setting up a planet is very easy (Use Venus, not Planet) but feel free
to consider me a resource as to what I've learned and struggled on over
the years with Planet Geospatial.


I will. Thank you very much James.


I spend almost no time managing it
beyond cleaning out old feeds (probably not an issue with Planet OSGeo)
and adding new feeds (hopefully there a lot of folks wanting to blog
about OSGeo).


Good to hear :-) I've also supposed there is not much to maintain.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread Michael P. Gerlek
 Perhaps we could mark out who on the planet is a Charter Member.

Charter members aren't special in any way with respect to blogging, so
I don't think it is a useful distinction to make.

-mpg



 

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 Lorenzo Becchi wrote:
  Mateusz Loskot wrote:
  ...
 
  The OSGeo Community is pretty open and there is no formal 
 membership - 
  everybody invloved in FOSS4G initiavites is allowed to 
 call herself an 
  OSGeo member. So, in the OSGeo Planet idea, everybody involved in 
  FOSS4G is welcome to add her blog to the Planet, without any 
  artificial requirements (post about FOSS4G or do not post 
 at all).
 
  However, I'd limit the OSGeo Planet to people who are involved in 
  OSGeo activities in some way (users, speakers, developers, 
 translators,
  any other contributors). Just to keep some orientation to 
 the OSGeo 
  world. 
  
  
  what about just Charter Members?
  will it be just boaring because of we the Charter Members?
 
 Personally, I'm not sure about that, but I'd prefer to leave that 
 decision to the Community.
 Perhaps we could mark out who on the planet is a Charter Member.
 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread David William Bitner
Lorenzo,

I think this would be counter to the accepted definition of membership
levels.

From http://www.osgeo.org/Membership

*We emphasize that the only real difference between a Member and a Charter
Member is the right and responsibility to vote at the Foundation level. It
is not our intent to make the Charter Members out to be some privileged
class. Furthermore, the only real difference between a Member and a
Participant is the self-registration on the Foundation's website. All
mailing lists, projects, committees, and other Foundation activities are
uniformly open and available to all friends of the Foundation.*


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wrote:



 Mateusz Loskot wrote:
  ...
 
  The OSGeo Community is pretty open and there is no formal membership -
  everybody invloved in FOSS4G initiavites is allowed to call herself an
  OSGeo member. So, in the OSGeo Planet idea, everybody involved in
  FOSS4G is welcome to add her blog to the Planet, without any
  artificial requirements (post about FOSS4G or do not post at all).
 
  However, I'd limit the OSGeo Planet to people who are involved in
  OSGeo activities in some way (users, speakers, developers, translators,
  any other contributors). Just to keep some orientation to the OSGeo
  world.


 what about just Charter Members?
 will it be just boaring because of we the Charter Members?


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread David William Bitner
Lorenzo,

I think this would be counter to the accepted definition of membership
levels.

From http://www.osgeo.org/Membership

*We emphasize that the only real difference between a Member and a Charter
Member is the right and responsibility to vote at the Foundation level. It
is not our intent to make the Charter Members out to be some privileged
class. Furthermore, the only real difference between a Member and a
Participant is the self-registration on the Foundation's website. All
mailing lists, projects, committees, and other Foundation activities are
uniformly open and available to all friends of the Foundation.*

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wrote:



 Mateusz Loskot wrote:
  ...
 
  The OSGeo Community is pretty open and there is no formal membership -
  everybody invloved in FOSS4G initiavites is allowed to call herself an
  OSGeo member. So, in the OSGeo Planet idea, everybody involved in
  FOSS4G is welcome to add her blog to the Planet, without any
  artificial requirements (post about FOSS4G or do not post at all).
 
  However, I'd limit the OSGeo Planet to people who are involved in
  OSGeo activities in some way (users, speakers, developers, translators,
  any other contributors). Just to keep some orientation to the OSGeo
  world.


 what about just Charter Members?
 will it be just boaring because of we the Charter Members?


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread Mateusz Loskot

Michael P. Gerlek wrote:

Perhaps we could mark out who on the planet is a Charter Member.


Charter members aren't special in any way with respect to blogging, so
I don't think it is a useful distinction to make.


I support this opinion.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread Fee, James
Good to hear :-) I've also supposed there is not much to maintain.

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I have not touched the daily operation of the python script since I
installed the new version about a year ago.  I only add and delete feeds
as needed.  Surprisingly very little overhead.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread Tim Bowden

On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 22:58 +0100, Lorenzo Becchi wrote:
 
 Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
  Perhaps we could mark out who on the planet is a Charter Member.
  
 
  Charter members aren't special in any way with respect to blogging, so
  I don't think it is a useful distinction to make.

 
 
 no problem to me, I don't have a personal blog
 ;-)
 
 I  was targeting Chater Members not for their special status but for 
 the reason they have been elected.
 Reading a little further what David suggests in Membership page[1]:
 
 Nominees for Charter Member status should meet the following criteria:
 
 - The person should have already made a contribution to open source 
 geospatial software.
 - The person should be willing to put in time and effort on Foundation 
 activities (e.g. perhaps joining committee(s), or volunteering in some 
 other way that gets the foundation going).
 - Members should believe in the general goals of the Foundation. To 
 support and promote the use of open source geospatial software in a 
 collaborative manner.
 - Members selected should provide a diversity of geographic 
 representation in the Foundation.
 - Members selected should provide representation of a diversity of 
 projects. For instance, we have a strong desire to see the java tribe 
 well represented in the Foundation. We don't want the membership 
 dominated by folks from just one project.
 - Members selected should provide representation of a diversity of 
 interests (eg. corporate, hobbyist, educational, scientific).
 - Members should be prepared to works constructively and positively 
 towards the goals of the Foundation. Good teamwork skills are an asset.
 
 
 I think this criteria are what I would like to see represented in the 
 blog of this community

That's certainly a good criteria for selection in a blog planet, but I'm
willing to bet there are more non charter members who meet those
criteria than charter members.  Inclusion in a planet should be on a
much less formal basis imho.

Tim Bowden
 
 my 2 cents
 Lorenzo
 
 [1] http://www.osgeo.org/membership
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-14 Thread Mateusz Loskot

Folks,

I'd like to thank all for the great feedback.
I collected all ideas we've discussed and put on the Wiki:

http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/PlanetOSGeo

I've also submitted this idea to our Website Committee for comments:

http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/206

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Landon Blake
I like this idea as well.

Landon

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Folks,

Is there any plan or motion to setup an official OSGeo Planet?
Chris developed and maintains it at http://planetosgeo.crschmidt.net/
and it gathers a number of OSGeo bloggers, so the idea works!

Perhaps it's a good idea to setup (or move) Chris' work to 
planet.osgeo.org and make it more an official OSGeo Community thing.

There is a number of well-known and popular planets around the Web:
http://planet.debian.org/
http://planet.gnome.org/
http://planet.ubuntu.com/
etc.

and all of them play very important role in these communities.

Perhaps this subject has been discussed already, but I couldn't find 
anything in the archives.

Any thoughts?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Mateusz Loskot

Jason Birch wrote:

I like the idea Mateusz.


Great, the gang is growing :-)


I think I'd probably have to remove my blog from the list though,


You're kidding, right?


as I sometimes blog about proprietary software as well :)


This is not a problem.
IMHO, planets are about people, alive members of a community.


How does this work for the other planets; do they allow
wishy-washy open source proponents like me?


I've monitored a couple of popular planets for a while and
I'm sure there are no restrictions or strong rules of
what can and what can not be posted.

Once someone is added to a planet, everything he posts on his blog,
is also published on the planet.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Mateusz Loskot

Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:

On 12-Feb-08, at 8:31 PM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:

Perhaps it's a good idea to setup (or move) Chris' work to 
planet.osgeo.org and make it more an official OSGeo Community thing.


I support the idea and have often daydreamed about having a more 
community-centric site in addition to our main outward focused one.  
Highlighting blogs from Friends of OSGeo would be neat, along with 
other things I like:

* polls
* job postings
* script sharing
* event planning tools
* more that I can't remember...


Yes, Friends of OSGeo, basically that's the idea.

Unfortunately I don't have the time to really give that a start and it 
would require support from the web committee.  Regardless, setting up 
the planet stuff wouldn't be huge maintenance, but would still need 
someone keen to set it up and some support from web committee to get 
started.


I send the proposal, so I'm willing to take care of the tech part.
Where could I find details about what's the procedure of submitting new 
ideas or RFC to the Web Committee?



You've got my vote :)


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Mateusz Loskot

Fawcett, David wrote:

I personally like reading the OS bloggers mixed in with the proprietary
bloggers along with the bloggers who write about using tools from both
camps, all at planetgs.com.  


Yup, planetgs.com does a great job and James Fee is a pioneer in
gathering geospatial people from both worlds in common place.

However, my personal feeling is that there is a lot or too much of
anonymity on the Planet Geospatial, but communities are not formed by 
anonymous individuals.


When I look at the list of aggregated blogs, I hardly can identify
who is hiding behind all those names.

If you check the list of members of

http://planet.debian.org/
http://planet.ubuntu.com/
http://planet.gnome.org/

you see *only* and *real* names of people.

IMHO, this is a very important difference for how community is
visible to the world.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Fee, James
I've tried to push folks blogging to step out behind their handles and
put their names out there.  I think an OSGeo Planet that were to mimic
the Planet Gnome would be a super idea.  I've not pushed the issue as
I've tried to be as open as possible with Planet Geospatial, but if I
were to create a more specific planet, I would require real name and
possibly even photos.  I think that adds so much credibility to the
community than all the handles that folks seem to use.

Setting up a planet is very easy (Use Venus, not Planet) but feel free
to consider me a resource as to what I've learned and struggled on over
the years with Planet Geospatial.  I spend almost no time managing it
beyond cleaning out old feeds (probably not an issue with Planet OSGeo)
and adding new feeds (hopefully there a lot of folks wanting to blog
about OSGeo).

James Fee
TEC Inc.

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Fawcett, David wrote:
 I personally like reading the OS bloggers mixed in with the
proprietary
 bloggers along with the bloggers who write about using tools from both
 camps, all at planetgs.com.  

Yup, planetgs.com does a great job and James Fee is a pioneer in
gathering geospatial people from both worlds in common place.

However, my personal feeling is that there is a lot or too much of
anonymity on the Planet Geospatial, but communities are not formed by 
anonymous individuals.

When I look at the list of aggregated blogs, I hardly can identify
who is hiding behind all those names.

If you check the list of members of

http://planet.debian.org/
http://planet.ubuntu.com/
http://planet.gnome.org/

you see *only* and *real* names of people.

IMHO, this is a very important difference for how community is
visible to the world.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Landon Blake
I'd be willing to shed the Sunburned Surveyor nickname for my real
name on my OpenJUMP blog for OSGeo Planet if asked.

Landon

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I've tried to push folks blogging to step out behind their handles and
put their names out there.  I think an OSGeo Planet that were to mimic
the Planet Gnome would be a super idea.  I've not pushed the issue as
I've tried to be as open as possible with Planet Geospatial, but if I
were to create a more specific planet, I would require real name and
possibly even photos.  I think that adds so much credibility to the
community than all the handles that folks seem to use.

Setting up a planet is very easy (Use Venus, not Planet) but feel free
to consider me a resource as to what I've learned and struggled on over
the years with Planet Geospatial.  I spend almost no time managing it
beyond cleaning out old feeds (probably not an issue with Planet OSGeo)
and adding new feeds (hopefully there a lot of folks wanting to blog
about OSGeo).

James Fee
TEC Inc.

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Fawcett, David wrote:
 I personally like reading the OS bloggers mixed in with the
proprietary
 bloggers along with the bloggers who write about using tools from both
 camps, all at planetgs.com.  

Yup, planetgs.com does a great job and James Fee is a pioneer in
gathering geospatial people from both worlds in common place.

However, my personal feeling is that there is a lot or too much of
anonymity on the Planet Geospatial, but communities are not formed by 
anonymous individuals.

When I look at the list of aggregated blogs, I hardly can identify
who is hiding behind all those names.

If you check the list of members of

http://planet.debian.org/
http://planet.ubuntu.com/
http://planet.gnome.org/

you see *only* and *real* names of people.

IMHO, this is a very important difference for how community is
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Cameron Shorter

I like the idea and would like to provide occasional content.

Is it possible for me as a blogger to categorize my entries and for 
planet.osgeo to only take the OSGeo related entries I consider worthy? 
This feature should improve signal to noise ratio.


Or for uses to filter out authors or categories?

Mateusz Loskot wrote:

Folks,

Is there any plan or motion to setup an official OSGeo Planet?
Chris developed and maintains it at http://planetosgeo.crschmidt.net/
and it gathers a number of OSGeo bloggers, so the idea works!

Perhaps it's a good idea to setup (or move) Chris' work to 
planet.osgeo.org and make it more an official OSGeo Community thing.


There is a number of well-known and popular planets around the Web:
http://planet.debian.org/
http://planet.gnome.org/
http://planet.ubuntu.com/
etc.

and all of them play very important role in these communities.

Perhaps this subject has been discussed already, but I couldn't find 
anything in the archives.


Any thoughts?

Cheers



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Lucena, Ivan

Me too. Some time I feel like blogging.

Cameron Shorter wrote:

I like the idea and would like to provide occasional content.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)

On 13-Feb-08, at 3:48 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Is it possible for me as a blogger to categorize my entries and for  
planet.osgeo to only take the OSGeo related entries I consider  
worthy? This feature should improve signal to noise ratio.


I assume you could modify your outgoing feed to accept a filter?   
Then the subscribed URL would reflect it.

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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-13 Thread Fee, James
Most modern blogging platforms support RSS feeds for categories/tags out of the 
box.  Wordpress and Wordpress.com do it by appending /feed/ to the end of the 
category url.  For example if you wanted to subscribe to only OSGeo posts from 
my blog, you'd just subscribe to:

feed://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/category/open-source/open-source-geospatial-foundation/feed

There isn't really anything complicated about it.  You could also just 
subscribe to all open source posts via:

feed://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/category/open-source/feed/

It is just that simple.  Some folks in PlanetGS provide only category feeds.  I 
know Typepad can't do this and blogger couldn't before (not sure about that 
anymore).  But most folks should be migrating to Wordpress anyway for their 
blogging so this really isn't too much of an issue.

James Fee



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On 13-Feb-08, at 3:48 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

 Is it possible for me as a blogger to categorize my entries and for  
 planet.osgeo to only take the OSGeo related entries I consider  
 worthy? This feature should improve signal to noise ratio.

I assume you could modify your outgoing feed to accept a filter?   
Then the subscribed URL would reflect it.
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-12 Thread Jason Birch
I guess I'm assuming that Mateusz talked to Christopher before posting this?  
Anyway, I'd certainly welcome this kind of service.
 
If there is community buy-in and Christopher isn't interested in setting it up, 
I'd be happy to install it on osgeo2.  I've worked with it a bit for an 
unrelated project, and it's really easy to deal with in its basic 
configuration, even to the extent of pulling its subscription list from an 
external (Google Docs, etc) CSV file.
 
If there's enough interest on this list, then let's pull it over to WebCom for 
discussion of details and take care of it from there.
 
Jason



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Regardless, setting 
up the planet stuff wouldn't be huge maintenance, but would still 
need someone keen to set it up and some support from web committee to 
get started.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-12 Thread Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)



On 12-Feb-08, at 8:31 PM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:
Perhaps it's a good idea to setup (or move) Chris' work to  
planet.osgeo.org and make it more an official OSGeo Community  
thing.


I support the idea and have often daydreamed about having a more  
community-centric site in addition to our main outward focused  
one.  Highlighting blogs from Friends of OSGeo would be neat, along  
with other things I like:

* polls
* job postings
* script sharing
* event planning tools
* more that I can't remember...

Unfortunately I don't have the time to really give that a start and  
it would require support from the web committee.  Regardless, setting  
up the planet stuff wouldn't be huge maintenance, but would still  
need someone keen to set it up and some support from web committee to  
get started.


You've got my vote :)

Tyler
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RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo

2008-02-12 Thread Jason Birch
I like the idea Mateusz.
 
I think I'd probably have to remove my blog from the list though, as I 
sometimes blog about proprietary software as well :)  How does this work for 
the other planets; do they allow wishy-washy open source proponents like me?
 
Jason



From: Mateusz Loskot
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] Planet OSGeo



Perhaps it's a good idea to setup (or move) Chris' work to
planet.osgeo.org and make it more an official OSGeo Community thing.


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