Re: A dual license system for code libraries?

Hi, I think you may just need to add additional permissions to the the GPL which it specifically allows for. However, you need to contact a lawyer to figure out the details because I cannot give you legal advice and I am not even sure that your assumptions about the requirement of the LGPL apply

Re: A dual license system for code libraries?

Hi, Carsten Agger writes: > But maybe Agner might consider using the Mozilla Public License 2.0? > It differs from the GPL and LGPL in that > * it is a strong copyleft I would argue that the MPL is weak copyleft because of its file-based nature. Happy hacking! Florian

Re: FSFE General Assembly Fellowship Representative Election

Hi Paul, I am happy to discuss things here with you, and I am sure other candidates will respond as well. As to the specific point about bringing in more participating and making it efficient, I have to say that in my opinion, the General Assembly (GA) has a limited effect on that. From my

Re: Fellowship elections participation

Hi Erik, Thank you for trying to find the reasons for the low turnout. I already responded on fsfe-de, but I would like to sum up my thoughts here for everyone who does not speak German. I think it is unclear what the GA does and this makes it hard for people to make a decision. Even among us

Re: Fellowship elections participation

Hi Daniel, I appreciate your effort here, but I would advise to perhaps not re-open this topic again already. The change away from Fellow to some other term has been decided twice already to my knowledge. The first time, the decision was communicated but afterwards pretty much ingored which

Re: Is lack of software freedom a valid reason for refusal?

Hi Jonas, Jonas Oberg writes: > No one should be able to fault someone else for not following the same > moral compass as someone else. You are talking about this specific issue though, aren't you? Happy hacking! Florian ___

Re: ERRATA: psychotic disorders of (few) web market operators and privacy less valued than pizza

Hi Guivanni, Thank you very much for clarifying this so nicely and for apologizing! Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion

Re: CPU as a service // MINIX in Intel ME

Hi, Timothy Pearson writes: > Giving up privacy and control to waste time in front of a *game*. I agree with you that freedom is more important than games. But in the long run, we need to find other solutions than telling people not to use things. Phones are

Re: Introduction to software developer profession for teens

Hi, Carmen Bianca Bakker writes: > - You do not need to be good at maths to be a decent software > engineer. Thank you for pointing that out. I completely forgot about that. I always play this little game with students where I ask them which subject they think is the

Re: Job at European Commission for FOSSA 2 in Brussels

Hi Jonas, Jonas Oberg writes: > But if we look a bit broader; the Document Foundation, Apache Foundation, > Eclipse Foundation, Linux Foundation and so on, these all have budgets in > the million-USD category, some more than others. So I think someone from > some of the bigger

Re: Job at European Commission for FOSSA 2 in Brussels

Hi, After looking at the listing on fossjobs.net[0] (I was unable to even see the page on Linkedin), I hope they will be able to find someone, but I think it will be difficult. They ask for someone who knows about Free Software, but also has managed multiple projects with a budget exceeding

Re: "Joining" vs "becoming a supporter"

Hi Carmen, Carmen Bianca Bakker writes: > However, I would be in _full_ support of reinstating the usage of > "fellow" for volunteers who contribute time and effort. But then, > maybe "volunteer" also cuts it? We discussed this choice of terminology many times. Some

Re: "Joining" vs "becoming a supporter"

Hi everyone, I agree with everything you wrote, Johannes. I wanted to write the same thing but you saved me some time. :-) Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion

Re: Public Money Public Code: a good policy for FSFE and other non-profits?

Hi Paul, Paul Boddie writes: > Many of us commit to using Free Software exclusively where the right > to exercise this control has been given to us. Actively using and > developing such software is just as important as promoting it, > arguably more so. If I were to use proprietary software to

Re: Public Money Public Code: a good policy for FSFE and other non-profits?

Hi Daniel, I think the inventory you propose can be interesting. If we do it, we might want to include what Free Software people use so we can say to others: "Here are tools that have proven useful to us in our work as a non-profit organization." That might be useful to others. Daniel

Re: Discussion Digest, Vol 186, Issue 5

Hi Mat, Mat Witts writes: > accusations of personal insults I think requires a much higher > standard of evidence and in absence of that ought to be discounted. The evidence is the quote I provided. I later stated expressly that I am not against the questions Daniel is asking, but that it is

Re: the questions you really want FSFE to answer

Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > As the last[1] man standing for democracy in FSFE Perhaps this is meant as a joke, but you usually do not make that clear in your writing, so I am assuming it is serious. This is an incredibly insulting statement to many people within the FSFE. You are

Re: the questions you really want FSFE to answer

Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > While some people don't care about elections or proper membership, Disagreement with a specific implementation of an idea does not mean not caring about that idea. > other people do care about it so much that they stopped contributing Perhaps I missed that

Re: the questions you really want FSFE to answer

Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > On 14/06/18 21:58, Florian Snow wrote: >> Daniel Pocock writes: >>> As the last[1] man standing for democracy in FSFE >> >> Perhaps this is meant as a joke, but you usually do not make that clear >> in your wri

Re: who is a member?

Hi Daniel, As far as I remember, the form said "Join the Fellowship" and explained that this was a financial contribution. Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion

Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools

Hi, hellekin writes: > Hmmm, no there is not, only a broken page. Good point and a good reminder for me to check one last time before I send links around. :-) Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

Hi Werner, Werner Koch writes: > I personally see a lot of problems that employees of the FSFE are also > members _and_ that they make up a large part of the membership. Would you care to elaborate a little bit on this point? I am curious about it. Happy hacking! Florian

Re: breaking bad habits like Doodle and Facebook with plugins?

Hi Mat, Mat Witts writes: >> I also cannot comprehend it > It' easy - one example is some groups object to liberal notions of > education on the pretext of religious belief. I used comprehend here differently. I would argue people have the right to give up their freedoms, but I

Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools

Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > One idea I've put forward at RHL'18 today is that it may be useful to > have a series of events over the next 12 months, maybe piggy-backed on > bigger events, to discuss the way organizations choose their > communications tools. I think

Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools

Hi Stephane, Stephane Ascoet writes: > Le 29/01/2018 à 09:53, Daniel Pocock a écrit : >> You can simultaneously solve your problems with public transport and >> finding a date by purchasing a motorbike. > > Hi, I can't believe how much you're trying to find even

Re: breaking bad habits like Doodle and Facebook with, plugins?

Hi Carmen, Carmen Bianca Bakker writes: > If you start treating rights and freedoms as something that can be > negotiated individually, the "powerful" will misuse this to transfer > the rights of the "weak" over to them. I agree, but I see this as an issue with specific

Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools

Hi Jonas, Jonas Oberg writes: > By and large, I believe *where* a certain piece of code runs is immaterial > to the question, and what matters is the interface the user of a service is > subject to. > Let's imagine for a second that Google and Facebook rewrote their frontend >

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > It is quite simple to explain: > > - the funds from fellowship/supporters pay the salaries and other major > expenses (over 50% of the budget comes from fellowship/supporter donations) > > - but the fellowship/supporters only have 2 votes in

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > - in businesses, it is normal for votes at the AGM to be based on > financial shareholding, a shareholder with more shares gets more votes.  > In some countries I think non-profits can choose that model too.  It is > complicated when mixing

Re: Apply for membership and meet us at FOSDEM

Hi Carsten, Carsten Agger writes: > Of course Google could not have a voice in the GA - they're a > proprietary software company and by definition are not committed to > the values of free software. To make this clear: I am not advocating for companies getting a voice, but

Re: [GA] who is a member?

Hi Mat, Mat Witts writes: > I have left the FSFE because (among other things) there appears to be > multiple levels of practical engagement with policy (which is fine) > but it is based on a rather obscure set of policies concerning what > membership means (which is not fine).

Re: forums, mailing lists and other tools

Hi, hellekin writes: > I am very much interested in the topic of using Discourse to promote > the agenda of free technologies and a public digital infrastructure, > which I already proposed informally to the FSFE at various > occasions. I already proposed to host it myself

Re: impact of Gmail's "promotions" tab on free software communities

Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > There are several cases where people told me this particularly bad > behaviour, together with some specific example of how it impacted > them, was enough to make them give up on hotmail but in each case they > had migrated to gmail. The

Re: Apply for membership now!

Hi Cornelia, Thank you for starting a discussion on an important topic! "Cornelia S." writes: > I have learnt the FSFE is abolishing their community representatives > in their board (remember the Linux Foundation?) Yes, that is something that the GA

Re: subdomains for testing things

Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > How does using a domain with the word "test" in it somewhere create more > work? At some point, a service is at least supposed to go into production, so at that point, configuration files need to change, DNS records need to change, and

Re: [GA] who is a member?

Hi Mat, Thank you for your feedback! Information like that is helpful in making the FSFE a better organization for everyone. Of course, your feedback will not be the only thing to consider, but I find it especially important to hear feedback from someone like you who stopped contributing

Re: subdomains for testing things

Hi Daniel, You are mingling several different ideas here, so let me try to separate them to keep this discussion productive: 1) Should tools not ready for production live under a (sub-) domain separate from fsfe.org? 2) How do we switch teams over? 3) Is Discourse a suitable replacement for

Re: [GA] who is a member?

Hi everyone, Daniel Pocock writes: > As I am not an ordinary member of the GA, rather, I am a fellowship > representative, I try to consider the views of all fellows, supporters > and volunteers and not just my own views when communicating with the > GA. Just to clarify this

Re: using abuse to avoid serious issues on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > A private message sent to the GA list just yesterday contradicts what > you said. I am sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say. > Would you like to republish all the GA mails in public or > would you prefer to simply acknowledge you were wrong

Re: temporary moderation of this list

Hi Stefan, Stefan Uygur writes: > I said what l have to say it, is up to care team to let this email pass > through. Although this won't change my decision and opinion about the > current FSFE. I accepted your email because the tone was decent. We are not trying to suppress opinions here, we

temporary moderation of this list

Dear list subscribers, Many mails in the recent discussions do not add new arguments, but rather fuel a heated meta-discussion about who said what with which intention. Over the course of just one day, the CARE team was alerted to several issues and more and more people, both on the list and in

Re: transparency about the fellowship

Hi everyone! Am 10. Juli 2018 09:19:27 MESZ schrieb Michael Kesper : >If you make your last will with a (for you, at least) substantial >amount of money I bet you know who you want to support EXACTLY. I would like to add something here: I take the "you" in this sentence as an impersonal "you".

Re: Rmll event on Sunday evening

Hi Cryptie, Cryptie writes: > The RMLL[0] have a traditional "meal of the libre" every year, which > will take place on Sunday evening. I booked the liberty meal a while ago and I am very much looking forward to seeing many of you there. Happy hacking! Florian

Re: Mozilla: "We’re taking a break from Facebook"

Hi Jonke, I can't help but feel this is a PR stunt from Mozilla. Facebook recently had a privacy scandal, but Facebook is the same it has always been. Asking them to reform their business is pointless because they make money tracking users, so they can't stop tracking them. Also, at the end of

Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?

Hi, Thank you for subscribing to this list today and joining the discussion! Regarding your question, as one of the moderators, I can tell you that the claims in the linked blog post are not true. The author either did not receive the full emails or is leaving out important parts himself.

Re: [FSFE PR][EN] Copyright Directive – EU safeguards Free Software at the last minute

Hi Christian, Just a quick update here: -- Edit of 28 March 2019: The original version of this press release urged the European Commission to act to avoid filtering-monopolies, but our description of our position on filters was

Re: Kundigung [Legal Team] leaving FSFE's legal team

Hi Christian, First of all, I have to say I am not happy that an email was published here without the consent of the author. In addition, the word "fsfegate 2.0" and the fact that this is a completely unknown person, makes me feel uneasy about this email. That being said, I would like to answer

Re: Euro Elections and fsfe

Hi Vitaly, Vitaly Repin writes: > Strong assiociation with any political movement (eurosceptics, > liberals, social democrats etc) is a mistake in my opinion. I agree. That is why the FSFE does not associate itself with a political movement. We want to be able to talk to any politician. >

Re: [nomination]for Fellowship Council renewal and activism

Hi Christian, Christian Imhorst writes: > But I have a problem with the personality cult around him. While I think that RMS is often misunderstood and usually does not talk about topics that he is well informed about, I also worry about the personality cult. What happens to a community

Re: Free Software in Munich - FSFE thanks cabaret artist Christine Prayon

Hi Besnik, On May 15, 2019 1:48:07 PM GMT+02:00, Besnik Bleta wrote: > >It’s hard not to see Prayon continuing her satire through her donation >of the prize money. She doesn't keep the money given from the same City >of Munich responsible for the defeat of free software. Yes, indeed. It is

Re: Request for Clarifications

On May 6, 2019 11:49:16 AM EDT, Daniel Pocock wrote: > the other censors Aren't you that other person you are talking about in the third person? ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion

Re: FSFE and censorship - not true?

On May 6, 2019 11:15:56 AM EDT, Daniel Pocock wrote: >Notice how the vast majority of messages come from people within that >first group? > >Even though the second group is so much bigger, notice how very few >fellows (0.25%) are actually engaged in the discussion, while 25% of >the >FSFE e.V.

Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list

Hi Novica, On May 3, 2019 11:49:49 AM EDT, Novica Nakov wrote: > What is https://fsfellowship.eu/? That is a very good question. I would urge Daniel Pocock, the webmaster, webhoster and ISP of that website to answer that question. It appears that he wants to receive funds of about 200,000

Re: Request for Clarifications

Hi Mirko, Calling Daniel's behavior a symptom is a gross understatement. Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of

Re: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock

Hi everyone, One of my corrections has not gone through either. I don't care about my mail, but it shows that Daniel lies even about these basic things such as not filtering mails. Up until this episode, I still gave him the benefit of the doubt, but now I have no idea anymore how he could

Re: The "rival" discussion mailing list

Hi Paul, Thank you very much for your well thought out email (as always). I agree with you that we need to resolve this, but I have no idea how. Daniel's grievances with the FSFE are largely based on what I would call a misunderstanding. Yet he reacted angrily to any attempt of clarification.

Re: [Attention] Do not follow to unsubscribe (was: Hijacking attempt by Daniel Pocock)

Hi Christian, I am also not directly involved in this, but I think legal action (not necessarily suing someone, but for example filing GDPR violations or possibly criminal charges with the police) are very much appropriate. I am not sure what laws are concerned here in detail but I think such

Re: Is there any hope for FSFE?

Hi Besnik, You are right. I forgot about the witch hunting clan within the FSFE. How silly of me! Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is

Re: Request for Clarifications

Hi Paul, Thank you for asking this question. Let me try to give you a summary to the best of my knowledge. I am sorry this mail is going to be pretty long, but I need to provide some background here for this to make sense. As far as I can tell the root cause of the issue with Daniel consists

Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi Richard, Richard Stallman writes: > I am against using computers to enter votes. > See stallman.org/evoting.html. I agree completely. Voting computers violate basic principles of elections by making vote counting completely intransparent. That is something that John Oliver (as much as I

Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi Bruno, br...@tracciabi.li writes: > For all the rest, it depends on the threat model: "cui prodest?" Who > could have enough of an incentive to spend time, money and effort in > manipulating any specific vote? For real political election the answer > is always "a lot of people", so there is

Re: How FSFE is organised

Hi Bernhard, "Bernhard E. Reiter" writes: > The "VIP track" is called "volunteer". :) Really nicely said. It took me half a paragraph to express the same idea. Happy hacking! Florian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org

Re: Fairphone 3

Hi Bernhard, "Bernhard E. Reiter" writes: > What are your experiences? I had a terrible experience with the FP2 (broken case, terrible battery life, random restarts, promised upgrade took forever) and so I switched to a used phone. As long as the damand on the market for used phones is not

diversity (was: Re: [nomination]for Fellowship Council renewal and activism)

Hi Christian, Christian Imhorst writes: > If you want more diversity, the first question must be: Why doesn't it > work? The answer, that there are simply no woman, for example, just > white cis man is imho something made easy. Agreed. I hope what I wrote didn't come off that way. I meant to

Re: How FSFE is organised

Hi Paul, Paul Boddie writes: > I am sorry for the confusion here. In fact, I wasn't referring to the > FSFE with my remark, but the following crowdfunding campaign promoted > on this mailing list four years ago by a FSFE General Assembly member: > >

Re: How FSFE is organised

Hi Paul, Paul Boddie writes: > The problem with this from the perspective of an outsider, who is or > has been supporting a community-oriented organisation like FSFE, is > that it doesn't give me anything more than "indicators". I agree that we should be more transparent about the Legal

Re: diversity

Hi Geza, Geza Giedke writes: > I've tried out the webbased platform (to complain about FSFE "welcoming" > RMS' resignation) I think that is a good use of it with the news items and I want to try using it as a comment module for the blogs. > I know that I'm old-fashioned in this respect, but

Re: Voting and Free Software

Hi Harald, Thank you very much for the detailed and very nice summary of what happened back then in Germany. It was indeed an important victory for democracy. Harald Welte writes: > In fact, I find it highly problematic not only in public elections, but > I also find it very problematic for

Re: FSFE support for savedotorg / protesting the .ORG registry sale

Hi Harald, This came as a surprise to me even though I also deal with domains registries at work. I am not surprised about ICANN allowing this; their policy has been consistently about monetary interests. Harald Welte writes: > You can find more information at https://savedotorg.org/ I just

Re: FSFE-in-2020: Who are we?

Hi Mirko, Mirko Boehm writes: > I think we are getting numb to bullshitting. So let me rephrase this > in simple speech: The FSFE-in-2020 ground to a halt because the > decision makers (our GA and the president) did not prioritise it I'm sorry, but that is not my impression at all. The

Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!

Hi! On Friday, January 7, 2022 5:21:10 AM CET Richard Stallman wrote: > It sounds like game jams have value for education in programming, but > do they have value for the free software movement, It depends. It is a fun way to introduce people to programming and if we introduce people to Free

banking and Free Software

ferent. I'm curious to hear what you think about this topic. What's your experience with your bank? How do you do your banking? Is there an important angle that I missed? I appreciate any feedback. Happy hacking! Florian -- Florian Snow - Free Software Foundation Europe e.V. Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 1

Re: banking and Free Software

a much broader angle that would help with similar issues in the realm of appification. Happy hacking! Florian -- Florian Snow - Free Software Foundation Europe e.V. Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030 Your support enables our work (fsfe.or

Re: banking and Free Software

cribe: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8805-die_fabelhafte_welt_des_mobilebankings (The video is in German.) Happy hacking! Florian -- Florian Snow - Free Software Foundation Europe e.V. Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030 Your support enables our work (f

Re: banking and Free Software

down. Just because you install non-free software through a browser, doesn't make it any more free. Happy hacking! Florian -- Florian Snow - Free Software Foundation Europe e.V. Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030 Your support enables our