Re: No more Friday+Saturday weekends for Israel!

2008-04-02 חוט Shachar Shemesh
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:


 According to http://www.dis29500.org/il-0022/, it was addressed even before 
 the meeting; however, I could not find the final full text to make sure.
 

 Great solution. See items (7) and (6) in
 http://ozlabs.org/~rusty/index.cgi/tech/2008-03-30.html

   
It seems to me that it really isn't.

Great solution would be for the function to use your locale to figure 
out where the weekend is, and use that by default. At the moment, it 
seems that you are steering people toward a function that return the 
wrong value, as the alternative, even if it's right next to the original 
in the function list, will dump on the writer of the equation the burden 
of figuring out what the local weekend is (which, if they are in America 
or Europe, they will probably prefer not to know).

Not so great as far as I can tell.

Shachar
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Re: No more Friday+Saturday weekends for Israel!

2008-04-02 חוט Amit Aronovitch
Yes, Israel changed the vote to YES, after the BRM.

As for the date issue: was addressed.

I can post the version that I have if you want, but full version will
soon be available on ISO site, and I guess you want the bottom line,
so here goes:

1) New function will be added:
  NETWORKDAYS.INTL ( start-date , end-date [ , [ weekend][ , holidays ]] )
2)  Previous function will remain, but declared deprecated
(imlementations encouraged to promote new  version).
3) Weekend is either a numeric code (1-17, with 7 meaning
Friday+Saturday) or string acting as a binary mask.

  Default is indeed saturday+sunday, and not based on locale. Maybe
not optimal, but it is the same as in OpenFormula (which also has the
binary mask thing).
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/documents.php?wg_abbrev=office-formula

(also, I believe current version of OOo Calc does not have the weekend
option at all).

  Regards,
 Amit

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Shai Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 01 April 2008, Omer Zak wrote:
   According to http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/03/the-last-lap.html,
   Israel supports OOXML (after changing its vote from Abstain).
  
  This is sad indeed. However,


   Source for the weekend issue:
  
  
 http://www.fanaticattack.com/2008/a-deluge-of-facts-kos-ooxml-office-open-xml.html
  
   DISCLAIMER: I don't know if this issue was addressed during the BRM
   meeting.

  According to http://www.dis29500.org/il-0022/, it was addressed even before
  the meeting; however, I could not find the final full text to make sure.

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Re: No more Friday+Saturday weekends for Israel!

2008-04-02 חוט Shai Berger
Hi Amit,

On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
 I can post the version that I have if you want, but full version will
 soon be available on ISO site, and I guess you want the bottom line,

I know I want the full version posted (I'm not sure I'm going to do much about 
it myself, but having it available will make the chill down my spine a little 
less disturbing). However, before you put it up, do make sure that you can do 
so: the september draft is only available for a price (CHF 64), according to 
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=45515,
and so are other standards.

Don't get yourself into trouble, 
Shai.
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Re: No more Friday+Saturday weekends for Israel!

2008-04-02 חוט Amit Aronovitch
I ment just the text describing the new net-workdays function from the
resolution (figured there should be no problem with that - but of
course this needs to be checked).

As for the full text, I believe the september draft is practically the
same as ECMA-376 (i.e. without the recent changes), which is available
free-of-charge here:
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm
I do not have a merged full document (in fact, documents, since it is
going to be split into a multi-part standard).
I do hope that TC45 will put some kind of merged draft free-of-charge
on their public site as soon as possible (but I do not think it is
mandated by any rule. I know many ISO standards are available for
charge only).
You can ask about specific issues, and I'll try to answer.

To calm you down a bit, I'll say that IMO, one of the most important
changes was the decision to deprecate a lot of the problematic issues
- they will be removed from the main text into a separate part as
transitional migration features - this includes VML and also the
obscure behaviors specific to some office applications. Note that this
is *in addition* to providing the missing documentation for all items
that were reported to date (e.g. useWord97LineBreakRules and the
likes).

  aa

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Shai Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Amit,


  On Wednesday 02 April 2008, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
   I can post the version that I have if you want, but full version will
   soon be available on ISO site, and I guess you want the bottom line,

  I know I want the full version posted (I'm not sure I'm going to do much 
 about
  it myself, but having it available will make the chill down my spine a little
  less disturbing). However, before you put it up, do make sure that you can do
  so: the september draft is only available for a price (CHF 64), according to
  
 http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=45515,
  and so are other standards.

  Don't get yourself into trouble,
 Shai.

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