Re: [Bike Shed Colour] Which CMS Should we Use for iglu.org.il / www.iglu.org.il
On Tuesday 22 Sep 2009 01:26:23 Yaron Shahrabani wrote: > Generally I think that we should choose the one that offers the most > consistent support in Hebrew, a project that has the best Hebrew > maintenance level As Amit mentioned, www.iglu.org.il will primarily be in English - not in Hebrew. We need good Unicode support and some rudimentary support for Bidi (e.g: align="right"/align="left"/dir="rtl"/dir="ltr"/etc.) but that's it. > From my basic knowledge: > Wikia alongside the entire MediaWiki software and plugins is pretty good > but not maintained periodically (I'm an active translator there) > If there are more members from the Israeli community that would like to > contribute to the MediaWiki software I think it would be much better, > nowadays the only technical maintainer is Rotemliss and he is doing a great > job but he doesn't have any time for it > Well, MediaWiki is technically a wiki and not a blog engine, and so not what I'm looking for. There's also MojoMojo, which is a powerful wiki written in Perl: http://mojomojo.org/ They said something about making it suitable for use as a blog and I can ping them about it, or ask how to contribute. MojoMojo is made out of many components (over 200 CPAN modules last time I checked), each one with their extensive tests. On the other hand, MediaWiki is monolithic, and its test suite (which is far from having a good coverage) still didn't run successfully last time I checked. And MojoMojo has some advantages over MediaWiki (but also vice versa). > I think the big dilemma is between Drupal and WordPress, I personally think > that MovableType will not satisfy the community and authors needs Why MovableType won't? > > Drupal, although somewhat maintained would be to heavy for the cause... > WordPress, although pretty simple can be very powerful and cover almost all > needs Maybe, but I: 1. Will need to install many plugins. 2. Will need to remember to religiously keep it up-to-date, or hope that Debian Stable will. WordPress had many vulnerabilities in the past due to "sloppy" coding. "sloppy" is in quotes because it is far too easy to write such dangerous code in PHP. We can easily get hit by a worm or a specialised hacker or something, and I'd prefer to avoid it. There was this worm: http://onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/01/28/msworm.html It affected only MS-SQL (which isn't supposed to be exposed to the outside Internet) and affected only several thousands of hosts, yet slowed down the global Internet considerably. There are several ordered of magnitude of publicly accessible WordPress deployments now - making them a very attractive target for do-badnicks. So I'd prefer against relying on WordPress given its poor security record and a possible negligence of me in maintaining it. > > That's my personal perspective, anyone else? More are welcome. > Yaron Shahrabani - CTO > "The Campus" > Web: http://www.hacampus.org.il/ > Israeli Applicable Studies Institute > 200 Hativat Yiftah St., Karmiel, Israel > Phone Number: +972 (4) 9988508 > Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ What does "Zionism" mean? - http://shlom.in/def-zionism Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. Twice. ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Bike Shed Colour] Which CMS Should we Use for iglu.org.il / www.iglu.org.il
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Yaron Shahrabani wrote: > Generally I think that we should choose the one that offers the most > consistent support in Hebrew, a project that has the best Hebrew maintenance > level > Why? I thought this site is supposed to be the *English* portal (for Hebrew, you can always put stuff on hamakor site or the wiki and link back). Basic Hebrew support might be enough. I think an important criterion is what will be most convenient for the main maintainer/s. The less time it takes for them to learn/configure the system, the more they can spend on contents and appearance. AA ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: [Bike Shed Colour] Which CMS Should we Use for iglu.org.il / www.iglu.org.il
Generally I think that we should choose the one that offers the most consistent support in Hebrew, a project that has the best Hebrew maintenance level >From my basic knowledge: Wikia alongside the entire MediaWiki software and plugins is pretty good but not maintained periodically (I'm an active translator there) If there are more members from the Israeli community that would like to contribute to the MediaWiki software I think it would be much better, nowadays the only technical maintainer is Rotemliss and he is doing a great job but he doesn't have any time for it I think the big dilemma is between Drupal and WordPress, I personally think that MovableType will not satisfy the community and authors needs Drupal, although somewhat maintained would be to heavy for the cause... WordPress, although pretty simple can be very powerful and cover almost all needs That's my personal perspective, anyone else? Yaron Shahrabani - CTO "The Campus" Web: http://www.hacampus.org.il/ Israeli Applicable Studies Institute 200 Hativat Yiftah St., Karmiel, Israel Phone Number: +972 (4) 9988508 On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi all! > > First of all let me apologise for putting a half-arsed web site on > www.iglu.org.il. Now I still want to transform it into a representative > news- > site/blog in English for the Israeli FOSS community (of which I'm not aware > of > any, except personal ones ). This would mean that several people will have > to > cooperate on it, given posting privileges, etc. > > I think something like WordPress or Movable Type ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movable_Type ) would be good enough, but > something fancier like Drupal may be better. It probably needs to be in the > Debian repositories for easy management, but I'm not an admin. > > So what are our options: (let the bike shed colour war begin) > > 1. WordPress - lots and lots of security holes, too basic functionality by > default; requires a bootload of plugins to convert into a usable state > which > many bloggers won't install; and has lots of bugs - it already ate some of > my > comments and refused to let me post them again, and the blog owners did not > know what to do about it. > > I think I'll pass. > > 2. Movable Type: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movable_Type - open source > and > GPLed and written in more secure Perl than WordPress' PHP. Historically was > a > blog system of choice for small-time bloggers and WordPress gained ground > due > to the fact that MT was not free at first. > > Has fewer usable skins than WordPress, but one can always hack a WordPress > skin into shape or customise an existing skin. > > When I tried it, it left many world-writable (777 permed) files on my hard- > drive, but there may be some way to avoid it. > > 3. Joomla - Drupal is considered better. > > 4. Drupal - may be an overkill here, does not maintain backwards > compatibility > between major versions (and only has minor versions for bug-fixes), and > many > important plugins do not work with the newest versions. > > 5. Naturally, there are many others: > > * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems > > * http://cms.wikia.com/ (my link) > > * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weblog_software > > And some other people and I started our own, which is not really ready for > prime time, yet: > > https://www.ohloh.net/p/catable > > Anyway, if you can think of something better, please let me know. That or > have > any comments to the above. > > Regards, > >Shlomi Fish > > -- > - > Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ > The Case for File Swapping - http://shlom.in/file-swap > > Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. Twice. > ___ > Discussions mailing list > Discussions@hamakor.org.il > http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
[Bike Shed Colour] Which CMS Should we Use for iglu.org.il / www.iglu.org.il
Hi all! First of all let me apologise for putting a half-arsed web site on www.iglu.org.il. Now I still want to transform it into a representative news- site/blog in English for the Israeli FOSS community (of which I'm not aware of any, except personal ones ). This would mean that several people will have to cooperate on it, given posting privileges, etc. I think something like WordPress or Movable Type ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movable_Type ) would be good enough, but something fancier like Drupal may be better. It probably needs to be in the Debian repositories for easy management, but I'm not an admin. So what are our options: (let the bike shed colour war begin) 1. WordPress - lots and lots of security holes, too basic functionality by default; requires a bootload of plugins to convert into a usable state which many bloggers won't install; and has lots of bugs - it already ate some of my comments and refused to let me post them again, and the blog owners did not know what to do about it. I think I'll pass. 2. Movable Type: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movable_Type - open source and GPLed and written in more secure Perl than WordPress' PHP. Historically was a blog system of choice for small-time bloggers and WordPress gained ground due to the fact that MT was not free at first. Has fewer usable skins than WordPress, but one can always hack a WordPress skin into shape or customise an existing skin. When I tried it, it left many world-writable (777 permed) files on my hard- drive, but there may be some way to avoid it. 3. Joomla - Drupal is considered better. 4. Drupal - may be an overkill here, does not maintain backwards compatibility between major versions (and only has minor versions for bug-fixes), and many important plugins do not work with the newest versions. 5. Naturally, there are many others: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems * http://cms.wikia.com/ (my link) * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weblog_software And some other people and I started our own, which is not really ready for prime time, yet: https://www.ohloh.net/p/catable Anyway, if you can think of something better, please let me know. That or have any comments to the above. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ The Case for File Swapping - http://shlom.in/file-swap Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. Twice. ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
