Re: Siddur for N900
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012, Dov Grobgeld wrote about Re: Siddur for N900: Thanks. I have in the last few days returned to hacking on my automatic Nikkud opentype anchor inserter program that I started working on in 2006. Since then FontForge has got python bindings, so things are much easier these days. That's great. I'm curious, though, how come David CLM has excellent (as far as my simple used cases are concerned...) niqqud placement, while Frank Reuhl CLM dosn't. Is it simply a matter of work that needs to be done - that Maxim invested manual work on this for David, but not yet on Frank Reuhl? Or is there some reason why niqqud in Frank Reuhl is somehow more difficult than in David? By the way, Maxim, I've recently converted my document on Hspell's spelling standard to using Culmus fonts, and I'm really enjoying it - the result actually looks better than it did when using Microsoft's fonts, and the niqqud (on the David font) is also better than I had with Microsoft's font. So thanks again for all your hard work on Culmus! Nadav. -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Jan 29 2012, n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Energizer Bunny arrested - charged with http://nadav.harel.org.il |battery. ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: Siddur for N900
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012, Maxim Iorsh wrote about Re: Siddur for N900: Frank Ruehl was recently updated too (just about a month ago). Thanks! I didn't notice that... I'm looking forward to trying it. -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Jan 29 2012, n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |From the Linux getopt(3) manpage: BUGS: http://nadav.harel.org.il |This manpage is confusing. ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: Siddur for N900
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: The changes to Frank-Ruehl were part of a small project that I did a number of years ago, that used heuristics (same as in Pango) to build OpenType GPOS tables for any Hebrew font. I used CLM Frank-Reuhl as my test font for the scripts. I remember that there were a few problems left with my GPOS generating script, and since I did not want to do any manual polishing (since that would disable the ability to run the script again), I ended up not releasing anything at all. But since what I have is a lot better than the current Culmus font, I guess that I should release it as is. Who is in charge of Culmus these days? Maxim is still the relevant person for any contributions for Culmus. He's CCed to this mail. Maxim, http://hamakor.org.il/pipermail/discussions/2012-January/003502.htmlis the context of this mail. Kaplan ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: Siddur for N900
Thanks. I have in the last few days returned to hacking on my automatic Nikkud opentype anchor inserter program that I started working on in 2006. Since then FontForge has got python bindings, so things are much easier these days. It turns out that for biblical hebrew with trop the placement rules are far from simple. Fortunately the logics of the placement has already been solved in the SBL font [ http://www.sbl-site.org/educational/BiblicalFonts_SBLHebrew.aspx]. Even though the SBL font isn't totally free, I got the answer a few years back, that it is ok to copy the chained positions and substitution logics from it. That is my goal with the automatic nikkud insertion, to be able to bless (like perl ;-) a Hebrew font with full Diacritics logics. Shavua tov! Dov On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 19:09, Lior Kaplan kaplanl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: The changes to Frank-Ruehl were part of a small project that I did a number of years ago, that used heuristics (same as in Pango) to build OpenType GPOS tables for any Hebrew font. I used CLM Frank-Reuhl as my test font for the scripts. I remember that there were a few problems left with my GPOS generating script, and since I did not want to do any manual polishing (since that would disable the ability to run the script again), I ended up not releasing anything at all. But since what I have is a lot better than the current Culmus font, I guess that I should release it as is. Who is in charge of Culmus these days? Maxim is still the relevant person for any contributions for Culmus. He's CCed to this mail. Maxim, http://hamakor.org.il/pipermail/discussions/2012-January/003502.html is the context of this mail. Kaplan ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: Siddur for N900
Thanks for the info about updated Culmus font. It was a pleasent surprise. I'll study it and perhaps it will make my autonikkud project irrelevant. I just subscribed to the culmus list so that I won't miss any more anouncements. Regarding EzraSIL, I believe it is less feature rich than SBL. And besides, I find it too loose with too much whitespace, which probably due to its design goals of being a scholar font, which put more emphasis on all diacritics being clearly visible. Dov On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 21:40, Ira Abramov i...@abramov.org wrote: Also check out this font, the license is pretty much GPL compatible, I think: http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=EzraSIL_Home On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 19:42, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. I have in the last few days returned to hacking on my automatic Nikkud opentype anchor inserter program that I started working on in 2006. Since then FontForge has got python bindings, so things are much easier these days. It turns out that for biblical hebrew with trop the placement rules are far from simple. Fortunately the logics of the placement has already been solved in the SBL font [ http://www.sbl-site.org/educational/BiblicalFonts_SBLHebrew.aspx]. Even though the SBL font isn't totally free, I got the answer a few years back, that it is ok to copy the chained positions and substitution logics from it. That is my goal with the automatic nikkud insertion, to be able to bless (like perl ;-) a Hebrew font with full Diacritics logics. Shavua tov! Dov On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 19:09, Lior Kaplan kaplanl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: The changes to Frank-Ruehl were part of a small project that I did a number of years ago, that used heuristics (same as in Pango) to build OpenType GPOS tables for any Hebrew font. I used CLM Frank-Reuhl as my test font for the scripts. I remember that there were a few problems left with my GPOS generating script, and since I did not want to do any manual polishing (since that would disable the ability to run the script again), I ended up not releasing anything at all. But since what I have is a lot better than the current Culmus font, I guess that I should release it as is. Who is in charge of Culmus these days? Maxim is still the relevant person for any contributions for Culmus. He's CCed to this mail. Maxim, http://hamakor.org.il/pipermail/discussions/2012-January/003502.html is the context of this mail. Kaplan ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: Siddur for N900
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012, Dov Grobgeld wrote about Siddur for N900: I have just uploaded to github a first version of my Siddur application for the Nokia N900 in python/gtk. It is far from finished and I will be happy to receive contributions. Thanks to gtk and culmus the Hebrew looks very aesthetic: https://github.com/dov/MaemoSiddur/blob/master/MaemoSiddurScreenshot.png Hi, The screenshot looks really nice, but I don't have Maemo to run the actual program on ;-) Is there any reason why this shouldn't work on normal Linux with minimal changes? I noticed in your README.md that you had to modify Culmus Frank-Ruehl to get proper niqqud placement. I also experienced the same problem recently - while Culmus's David had excellent niqqud placement, niqqud looked quite bad with Culmus's Frank-Ruehl :( Are you planning to contributing your improvements back to the Culmus project? Thanks, Nadav. -- Nadav Har'El| Wednesday, Jan 25 2012, n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of http://nadav.harel.org.il |software halves. ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Re: Siddur for N900
The changes to Frank-Ruehl were part of a small project that I did a number of years ago, that used heuristics (same as in Pango) to build OpenType GPOS tables for any Hebrew font. I used CLM Frank-Reuhl as my test font for the scripts. I remember that there were a few problems left with my GPOS generating script, and since I did not want to do any manual polishing (since that would disable the ability to run the script again), I ended up not releasing anything at all. But since what I have is a lot better than the current Culmus font, I guess that I should release it as is. Who is in charge of Culmus these days? And yes, of course it runs on a normal Linux box. All the maemo specific stuff is protected in in try/except on the Python. All you need is Python/Gtk. Regards, Dov On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:52, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012, Dov Grobgeld wrote about Siddur for N900: I have just uploaded to github a first version of my Siddur application for the Nokia N900 in python/gtk. It is far from finished and I will be happy to receive contributions. Thanks to gtk and culmus the Hebrew looks very aesthetic: https://github.com/dov/MaemoSiddur/blob/master/MaemoSiddurScreenshot.png Hi, The screenshot looks really nice, but I don't have Maemo to run the actual program on ;-) Is there any reason why this shouldn't work on normal Linux with minimal changes? I noticed in your README.md that you had to modify Culmus Frank-Ruehl to get proper niqqud placement. I also experienced the same problem recently - while Culmus's David had excellent niqqud placement, niqqud looked quite bad with Culmus's Frank-Ruehl :( Are you planning to contributing your improvements back to the Culmus project? Thanks, Nadav. -- Nadav Har'El| Wednesday, Jan 25 2012, n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of http://nadav.harel.org.il |software halves. ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
Siddur for N900
I have just uploaded to github a first version of my Siddur application for the Nokia N900 in python/gtk. It is far from finished and I will be happy to receive contributions. Thanks to gtk and culmus the Hebrew looks very aesthetic: https://github.com/dov/MaemoSiddur/blob/master/MaemoSiddurScreenshot.png Regards, Dov ___ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
