Re: [Distutils] Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

The main reason to convert bdist_wininst to wheel is to be able to install them into virtualenvs. It can be extremely difficult and time consuming to build these packages from source especially on Windows. Now you are likely to get a wheel straight from the original packager though. The converter

Re: [Distutils] Time for a setuptools_lite??

> > >> Would it makes sense to start a roadmap doc/repo under the PyPA account > so the current grand vision is written down in a very high-level overview > I think it makes sense. we had such a page for awhile at https://www.pypa.io I recently dropped it because nobody was really maintaining it

Re: [Distutils] Time for a setuptools_lite??

On October 22, 2015 at 2:46:05 PM, Marcus Smith (qwc...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Mainly, I I think it should consist of a set of links to Issues and PRs in > the PyPA PEP Repor [1], and links to major things going on in pip, > setuptools, etc... > > Give me some +1s folks, and I'm willing to crank

Re: [Distutils] Time for a setuptools_lite??

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Marcus Smith wrote: > Give me some +1s folks, and I'm willing to crank it up again... and rally >>> for help to make it as accurate as I know to make it. >> >> +1 -CHB Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division

Re: [Distutils] Time for a setuptools_lite??

On 22 October 2015 at 19:45, Marcus Smith wrote: > Mainly, I I think it should consist of a set of links to Issues and PRs in > the PyPA PEP Repor [1], and links to major things going on in pip, > setuptools, etc... > > Give me some +1s folks, and I'm willing to crank it up

[Distutils] length limit for Rst content on PyPI?

New mail to webmaster, and a bug report here: https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues/836 Just posting here to make sure you are aware of this, as this organisation seems to have a surprisingly large number of bug trackers. Laura ___

Re: [Distutils] Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

Am 21.10.2015 um 19:04 schrieb Ronny Pfannschmidt: > another example is that without a standard there is no viable way to > replace a grown messy legacy tool with a much less messy tool over time > creating a new trimmed down standard and supporting it from the legacy > tool as well as from the

Re: [Distutils] What's special about numpy, scipy, ...was: Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

Am 22.10.2015 um 09:28 schrieb anatoly techtonik: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Thomas Güttler > > wrote: > > Am 21.10.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Chris Barker: > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Thomas Güttler >

Re: [Distutils] Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

Am 22.10.2015 um 01:10 schrieb Donald Stufft: > On October 21, 2015 at 7:05:59 PM, Ionel Cristian Mărieș (cont...@ionelmc.ro) > wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Vinay Sajip >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I've thought about the migration path with distil, which uses a >>> declarative metadata

Re: [Distutils] Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

Am 21.10.2015 um 17:29 schrieb Daniel Holth: > The strategy that we are successfully pursuing is to standardize around file > formats that the build tools generate and the installers and runtime can > consume. > For example we can convert a setuptools egg or a bdist_wininst .exe to a > wheel,

Re: [Distutils] Undelying design is fundamentally difficult to extend was: Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Güttler < guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote: > If setuptools in inside Python, then different versions of Python each > have their matching version included. > > If a package has the need for newer version of setuptool, it provides the > hint somewhere:

Re: [Distutils] py2dsc --with-python3=True not producing python3- packages

Distutils-sig has nothing to do with py2dsc so I doubt anyone can really help here unfortunately. I would try reaching out to py2dsc or the flask-login team. On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 at 13:51 Marques Johansson wrote: > I assume I am doing something wrong, but the man page

Re: [Distutils] Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

Am 21.10.2015 um 18:46 schrieb Chris Barker: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Thomas Güttler > wrote: > > I ask myself: Why a standard? I see that a standard is very important if > there will be > several

[Distutils] Monkey patching distutils was: Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

Am 21.10.2015 um 17:15 schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:05:29 +0200 > Nick Coghlan wrote: >> On 21 October 2015 at 14:55, David Cournapeau wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Thomas Güttler >>>

[Distutils] Undelying design is fundamentally difficult to extend was: Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

Am 21.10.2015 um 14:55 schrieb David Cournapeau: > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Thomas Güttler > > wrote: > > Am 21.10.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Ionel Cristian Mărieș: > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:42 PM,

Re: [Distutils] Monkey patching distutils was: Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Thomas Güttler < guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote: > Am 21.10.2015 um 17:15 schrieb Antoine Pitrou: > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:05:29 +0200 > > Nick Coghlan wrote: > >> On 21 October 2015 at 14:55, David Cournapeau >

[Distutils] Migration Path to metadata was: Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

Am 21.10.2015 um 17:05 schrieb Nick Coghlan: > On 21 October 2015 at 14:55, David Cournapeau wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Thomas Güttler >> wrote: >>> ok, at the moment setuptools uses distutils. >>> >>> Why not melt them

Re: [Distutils] Time for a setuptools_lite??

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Robert Collins wrote: > > I guess I wasn't clear -- the idea was to force myself to use pip > install, > > rather than ever doing a plain > > > > setup.py install or > > setup.py develop > > > > so: > > pip install ./ > > or > > pip

Re: [Distutils] Undelying design is fundamentally difficult to extend was: Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:15:37 +0200 Thomas Güttler wrote: > > > On top of this, the goal of lots of efforts around packaging is to allow > > people to move away from distutils/setuptools, as the underlying design is > > fundamentally difficult to extend. > > If

Re: [Distutils] What's special about numpy, scipy, ...was: Remove distutils, was: red, green, refactor ...

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Thomas Güttler < guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote: > > I have a dream: For packaging and building package provides only > **data**. Data is condition-less: No single "if", "def" or method call. > Just data: json or yaml ... > > > > Even for complex

Re: [Distutils] Time for a setuptools_lite??

On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 at 10:17 Paul Moore wrote: > On 21 October 2015 at 17:42, Chris Barker wrote: > > So why not have a setuptools-lite that only does the building? We need to > > keep the full over-burdened setuptools around, because lot sof folks